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[ducky]

This is a much different issue than just cruel gossip about an alleged relationship between two private individuals. As alleged, this relationship involved two public officials who may have also been involved in a cover-up of a serious crime (DUI) where a child was injured. And, possibly linked to this relationship and cover-up, a city official may have received some very generous pay increases, during a time when all other city employees had their salaries frozen. If this is true, it sounds like a case of government corruption that far exceeds any that I can recall occurring in our region, and approaches that of the City of Bell in terms of just pure dishonesty and greed.

If those facts are true, a grand jury is the place to have them come out. Not a local public forum.

Maybe it's just me, but when I ask questions and there are no facts presented to me but just further "I heard it from a little birdie," no victim coming forward, I treat it as gossip and, in this case, possible slander and libel.

You haven't answered how a single council member is responsible for city employee pay increases. I'd really like to know how that works, because it just doesn't sound right to me.

[supermom]

I did mention it

I wonder. Is the kid 10 or 12? How much do youactually know, firsthand?
See, my is here...coppers are not required to respond to media or private persons about investigations. Especially involving minors. So..if a cop can't talk about an investigation to deny or confirm -what gives you the right to put that info out there? You could be harming an investigation. And,.I dint mention anything about being super or thinking in rainbow terms. But I do feel you have a personal-slanted opinion. And I don't know you. And I do feel strongly that if someone had hit a kid as a result of DUI (wait...I think John would prefer I not get on my personal soapbox about that on this thread-it might make people upset)uhhm, so my deal...let the right people deal with this.

Ps..did you know it is a federal law- one can not obstruct an electoral process?
Just a thought.

[JRudi]

Ps..did you know it is a federal law- one can not obstruct an electoral process?
Just a thought.

Obstruction of an electoral process? Come on! No one is standing in front of a polling place and prohibiting voters from entering.

The United States Constitution allows me and everyone else in the country (except convicted felons) freedom of speech, and that is precisely what TruthSeeker and I have chosen to exercise on this forum. You, of course, have that same right, and have chosen to exercise it as well. I have a pretty good idea who is behind these threats, and please pass on to her that I won't be intimidated - never have been, and never will be, especially not from her.

[ducky]

Obstruction of an electoral process? Come on! No one is standing in front of a polling place and prohibiting voters from entering.

The United States Constitution allows me and everyone else in the country (except convicted felons) freedom of speech, and that is precisely what TruthSeeker and I have chosen to exercise on this forum. You, of course, have that same right, and have chosen to exercise it as well. I have a pretty good idea who is behind these threats, and please pass on to her that I won't be intimidated - never have been, and never will be, especially not from her.

No, what you have decided to exercise on this forum is issuing statements with reckless disregard as to their truth.

[supermom]

Ha! I actually haven't met any council members, secretaries to city employees or the the police chief in person.

Well, wait a second, actually, I did almost bump into the police chief, once. Back in april/may or june time frame. I believe it was right around the time that Robert and I were discussing the PD layoffs and I got miffed. I tried to talk him into going to the council meetings with me, to hear the cities ideas on budget vs. layoffs.

You guys remember that?

I saw Tessieca there that evening, and about half the police department for --what was it police appreciation day..

Anyway...I can't possibly imagine that any council person on Folsom's city council would be involved in such a scandal. I truly, truly hope it is not so. But if it is, I hope that for the sake of proper justice and the integrity of investigations and general societal goodwill, that at times like this: we all remember to show patience and forbearance, as the story unfolds.

[JRudi]

Anyway...I can't possibly imagine that any council person on Folsom's city council would be involved in such a scandal. I truly, truly hope it is not so.

Either you must have a very short memory, or you haven't been in town very long. It wasn't that long ago (2000, I believe) that a particular Folsom mayor was arrested in a sting operation in North Highlands for soliciting a prostitute (actually a police decoy) with illegal drugs. (It made national news.) And, don't forget the many scandals involving another former mayor in the 1980's, which included him allegedly cutting highly questionable land deals with developers, as well as allegedly having some involvement in the original automall deal which resulted in a least two individuals receiving prison time. (I believe both issues were investigated by the Grand Jury at one point.) The current council member whose integrity has been challenged recently on this forum was known to be close friends with both of these former mayors, and received support from each of them in their original election to the city council. "Birds of a feather..."

Folsom desparately needs to move past this political era, and a good start would be to remove (via the upcoming election) at least the one council member who has the strongest ties to Folsom's questionable political past.

[crabcakes]

Food for thought: I know a person, who many years ago filed a complaint against the City and some of its employees. She had a ton of evidence and witnesses to weed out a seriously corrupt and scandalous situation. After a few months of buzzing, there was dead silence. Suddenly, although now unemployed, she had a new car, a new rack, new stuff, and said she could never talk about the incident, again. And then she moved away. The people involved went back to their regular lives. The scandal was quashed, the corruption swept under the rug. Out of respect for the INNOCENT people involved, I shall not speak of it further, nor expound on the details, except to say this: every single person accused not only were not disciplined, but received promotions, instead. Do not believe for one moment that any of these City officials are incapable of dirty, underhanded, manipulative dealings. By nature, they are the kind of people who always rise to the top of the food chain, and they do it by stomping on the backs of the hard-working, honest, dedicated, front-line employees, taking credit for their work and throwing them under the bus when it suits.

[supermom]

Either you must have a very short memory, or you haven't been in town very long. It wasn't that long ago (2000, I believe) that a particular Folsom mayor was arrested in a sting operation in North Highlands for soliciting a prostitute (actually a police decoy) with illegal drugs. (It made national news.) And, don't forget the many scandals involving another former mayor in the 1980's, which included him allegedly cutting highly questionable land deals with developers, as well as allegedly having some involvement in the original automall deal which resulted in a least two individuals receiving prison time. (I believe both issues were investigated by the Grand Jury at one point.) The current council member whose integrity has been challenged recently on this forum was known to be close friends with both of these former mayors, and received support from each of them in their original election to the city council. "Birds of a feather..."

Folsom desparately needs to move past this political era, and a good start would be to remove (via the upcoming election) at least the one council member who has the strongest ties to Folsom's questionable political past.

In 2000 I was living on the other side of the big pond. And, I'm so glad you like playing riddle games. I'm not sure if the she is the secretary or the council member-but honestly, the waay you guys like to proclaim it needs to come with half baked innuendoes and factless claims is truly telling me you don't really want justice. You want rumor tongues wagging. I won't be party to this, anymore. Out.

[JRudi]

Food for thought: I know a person, who many years ago filed a complaint against the City and some of its employees. She had a ton of evidence and witnesses to weed out a seriously corrupt and scandalous situation. After a few months of buzzing, there was dead silence. Suddenly, although now unemployed, she had a new car, a new rack, new stuff, and said she could never talk about the incident, again. And then she moved away. The people involved went back to their regular lives. The scandal was quashed, the corruption swept under the rug. Out of respect for the INNOCENT people involved, I shall not speak of it further, nor expound on the details, except to say this: every single person accused not only were not disciplined, but received promotions, instead. Do not believe for one moment that any of these City officials are incapable of dirty, underhanded, manipulative dealings. By nature, they are the kind of people who always rise to the top of the food chain, and they do it by stomping on the backs of the hard-working, honest, dedicated, front-line employees, taking credit for their work and throwing them under the bus when it suits.

I remember the issue well. I seem to recall the employee working for another nearby city in the same capacity after she left Folsom. However, I thought her allegations were more related to sexual harrassment and discrimination rather than political corruption.

What you may not know is that the former mayor who was eventually arrested for soliciting a prostitute and his wife (now ex-wife) maneuvered their way into the middle of the mess and tried to use it as an opportunity to discredit other council members. It was a political ploy that added to the ugliness of the issue, and looking back was a very sad time in the history of Folsom politics. Fortunately, the mayor was arrested within weeks of being appointed mayor, and shortly thereafter resigned from the city council. And, as previously mentioned on this forum, the one council member who posts on this forum (and who is up for re-election) allegedly continued a close friendship with him after his arrest and even accompanied him on a vacation. "Birds of a feather..."

[ducky]

Either you must have a very short memory, or you haven't been in town very long. It wasn't that long ago (2000, I believe) that a particular Folsom mayor was arrested in a sting operation in North Highlands for soliciting a prostitute (actually a police decoy) with illegal drugs. (It made national news.) And, don't forget the many scandals involving another former mayor in the 1980's, which included him allegedly cutting highly questionable land deals with developers, as well as allegedly having some involvement in the original automall deal which resulted in a least two individuals receiving prison time. (I believe both issues were investigated by the Grand Jury at one point.) The current council member whose integrity has been challenged recently on this forum was known to be close friends with both of these former mayors, and received support from each of them in their original election to the city council. "Birds of a feather..."

Folsom desparately needs to move past this political era, and a good start would be to remove (via the upcoming election) at least the one council member who has the strongest ties to Folsom's questionable political past.

You aren't seriously linking the city with the old Chevy dealership owner failing to pay employee benefits or check kiting or something like that in the '90s, are you?

Why do you keep trying to hold a current council member accountable for the actions of other people?

[JRudi]

You aren't seriously linking the city with the old Chevy dealership owner failing to pay employee benefits or check kiting or something like that in the '90s, are you?

Why do you keep trying to hold a current council member accountable for the actions of other people?

Ms. Howell had very close ties with these two prior mayors, and continued her friendship with them even after information become public about their illegal and/or highly questionable actions. Shouldn't this bring into question her judgement and character, especially now that she is seeking support from the voters of this community to continue representing them as a council member? And, if you still aren't convinced, just examine her voting record:

- The only current city council member who opposed acquisition of the Sports Complex.

- The only current city council member who opposed development of the Aquatics Center.

- The only current council member who supported the establishment of the tattoo parlor on Natoma Street, located just blocks away from an elementary school and middle school.

- The only council member who voted against strengthening the city's adult business ordinance.

- The only cuurrent council member who voted in support of appointing Reggie Drew to the Mayor's post. And, after Mr. Drew disgraced the community by making national news for being arrested for solicitation of a prostitute and possession of illegal drugs, Ms. Howell reportedly continued a friendship with him and even accompanied him on a vacation.

Now are you convinced?

[Steve Heard]

Ms. Howell had very close ties with these two prior mayors, and continued her friendship with them even after information become public about their illegal and/or highly questionable actions. Shouldn't this bring into question her judgement and character, especially now that she is seeking support from the voters of this community to continue representing them as a council member? And, if you still aren't convinced, just examine her voting record:

- The only current city council member who opposed acquisition of the Sports Complex.

- The only current city council member who opposed development of the Aquatics Center.

- The only current council member who supported the establishment of the tattoo parlor on Natoma Street, located just blocks away from an elementary school and middle school.

- The only council member who voted against strengthening the city's adult business ordinance.

- The only cuurrent council member who voted in support of appointing Reggie Drew to the Mayor's post. And, after Mr. Drew disgraced the community by making national news for being arrested for solicitation of a prostitute and possession of illegal drugs, Ms. Howell reportedly continued a friendship with him and even accompanied him on a vacation.

Now are you convinced?

The other issues were before my time, but as said in an earlier post, there were many people who were opposed to the acquisition of the sports complex, some even accusing the city coucil of approving the construction of it with the intention of later buying it. There were lots of folks angry about that.

There were many folks opposed to the construction of the aquatic center, too. Whenever budget issues come up, both facilities are denounced as expensive decorations which will never pay for themselves.

In both cases, those opposed thought it was a misuse of taxpayer dollars.

Closer to the elementary school and middle school than the tattoo parlor are low income apartments with frequent drug activity and a recent killing, bars, an liquor stores which sell booze, cigarettes, adult magazines... and candy. These establishments should be of much greater concern, IMO, than a tattoo parlor. I don't know what the records show, but I'd be there's been a lot more police calls to those places, and there is much more risk to our kids, than from a tattoo parlor.

I guess the folks who opposed the sports complex and aquatic center and who are okay with a legal, legitimate business such as the tattoo parlor existing across the street from the police department and city hall will be voting for Kerri.

[supermom]

The other issues were before my time, but as said in an earlier post, there were many people who were opposed to the acquisition of the sports complex, some even accusing the city coucil of approving the construction of it with the intention of later buying it. There were lots of folks angry about that.

There were many folks opposed to the construction of the aquatic center, too. Whenever budget issues come up, both facilities are denounced as expensive decorations which will never pay for themselves.

In both cases, those opposed thought it was a misuse of taxpayer dollars.

Closer to the elementary school and middle school than the tattoo parlor are low income apartments with frequent drug activity and a recent killing, bars, an liquor stores which sell booze, cigarettes, adult magazines... and candy. These establishments should be of much greater concern, IMO, than a tattoo parlor. I don't know what the records show, but I'd be there's been a lot more police calls to those places, and there is much more risk to our kids, than from a tattoo parlor.

I guess the folks who opposed the sports complex and aquatic center and who are okay with a legal, legitimate business such as the tattoo parlor existing across the street from the police department and city hall will be voting for Kerri.

A drunk idiot hit y car last night, at the circle k right in front of the cop shop.
not serious. He opened his door and swung it out hard enough to leave a white mark on my front panel.

I was quite tempted to get into it with the guy and demand insurance-but then thought...stupid drunk. I don't even want to bother.

The guy was so drunk he nearly fell down as he was trying to close his car door.
when he did get the door closed he nearly hit a ladies head, who was trying to get out the car through the same door. How drunk can you get? So, he and his lady friend stand outside with the trunk popped open as two other friends from the car go inside.

As I'm pulling away, these two numbskulls had managed somehow to turn the car alarm on, with the trunk open.

but...anyway....My thought-tattoo shops tend to contribute to the delinquency of minors not just in alcohol consumption but in tobacco, and downright dumb choices.

the circle k seems to get lots of drunks and people wired up at certain times of the evening. However it also seems to be offset by the fact that the local prison population of guards has rotating shifts of hungry people coming in, several times a day, before or after a shift.

I haven't noticed too much issues with the liquor store.

I don't see a lot of arrest happening in front of the apartments by the cop shop and that little mall strip ( though there do seem to be a police presence all the time-near wales)

Seems to me, again the person took a few votes and tried to skewer the persons history according to their agenda.

What about voting down the expansion of that hotel onto the chinese digs and the protected fowl/bike path area?

What about her track record on voting based decisions on budget cuts/man power cuts?

What about her voting record on business development sites within the city?

[ducky]

Ms. Howell had very close ties with these two prior mayors, and continued her friendship with them even after information become public about their illegal and/or highly questionable actions. Shouldn't this bring into question her judgement and character, especially now that she is seeking support from the voters of this community to continue representing them as a council member? And, if you still aren't convinced, just examine her voting record:

- The only current city council member who opposed acquisition of the Sports Complex.

- The only current city council member who opposed development of the Aquatics Center.

- The only current council member who supported the establishment of the tattoo parlor on Natoma Street, located just blocks away from an elementary school and middle school.

- The only council member who voted against strengthening the city's adult business ordinance.

- The only cuurrent council member who voted in support of appointing Reggie Drew to the Mayor's post. And, after Mr. Drew disgraced the community by making national news for being arrested for solicitation of a prostitute and possession of illegal drugs, Ms. Howell reportedly continued a friendship with him and even accompanied him on a vacation.

Now are you convinced?

No. Already addressed all those comments. You didn't answer how your characterization of Ms. Howell being friends with prior mayors related to a business owner getting in financial trouble before her term on the council.

I will say I live not very far from that tattoo parlor and often walk to the Circle K daytime and nighttime (Nonalcoholic purchases. I know where your mind tends to go.) and have never once been bothered by anyone even when passing by City Slickers' patrons who are having a very good time.

The only thing I am convinced of is you are going to keep up the smears and care little about obtaining or supporting your statements with facts. It sure would be nice to know that this concerted effort isn't part of a particular candidate's strategy during an election and that they can stand on their own ideals rather than have Gloria Allreds do their dirty work.

[Robert Giacometti]

Now are you convinced?

You can't convince some, the puppet strings prevent them from having any independent thoughts. If one really was interested in the truth, they would ask so and so if they were involved in an Auto accident last August with a kid on a skateboard. I wouldn't think being involved in an auto accident would preclude anyone from serving on the city Council, so why NOT answer the question?

Have you noticed all some do is throw out questions to others, attacking the messenger, yet never seem to ask any revelant questions that might shed light onto any issue? Its obvious they don't want people to see the light!

A very loyal and close friend happens to be married to someone who is very close to a city Council member. This loyal friend is telling me they are hearing the same comments some are saying on here as they are hearing from a City Council member in private.

You and I and others, knew this all along. Its so obvious.

The good news is more and more and more citizens are opening their eyes to what has been going on in Folsom. This means more and more people are willing to join in on the recall next April. Hopefully by then, there may be some breaking news, that will put some nails in the coffins. Then when the citizens get their commnity back from the special interests, we can stop seeing other citys in the region getting ranked higher as a better place to live by a national magazine.

You gotta wonder why some are willing to help in demise of their own community? I guess having that inside connection is worth having their quality of life detoriate for some?