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[mac_convert]

Why don't you quit ranting about your desire for the Kings to move. It is obvious there are fans of basketball and/or Sacramento on here who wish for the Kings to stay for various reasons. If you don't want them to stay that is YOUR opinion and you're entitled to your opinion. How about answering the questions a few have asked you on this thread rather than spout a new argument to support your original statement. You're the one who started this thread and you were called out for your lack of detail in your argument. Fans of the Kings don't need your negative attitude when the morale is already low in the Sacramento area.

wrong... according to Forbes Magazine:

The Kings were valued at $293 million, ranking 24th. Forbes estimated that 17 of the 30 NBA teams lost money a year ago.

[old soldier]

sometimes I think its hard for us regular folks who work hard and don't have all the money we want so we ration and save for fun things, to see the world from rich guys like the maloofs. (whose family worked hard in the past to make them rich) well the maloofs have all the money they ever want, and have to do something to keep them from getting bored, the Kings are just great for that purpose. you go to a game and see them sitting there in the front row, cheering and high fiveing folks who just want to say high to them. they walk down the street and folks say hi gavin or joe....the mayor and gov (maybe not the new one) like to come to games and sit with them in their box.

I think they really enjoy their job. now if they sold the team, they would just be another couple of rich folks that nobody would notice or want to high five. come to think about it the only time I see rich folks is when I fly and walk by the folks sitting in first class. so far I have resisted the urge to high five them as I pass by on the way to my seat.

the maloofs will keep the team and would miss sacramento if they are forced to leave..the old soldier has spoken

[palango]

Wrong.... a valuation is different from operating profits/losses

BTW, you forgot to point out this part of that same article
"the Kings began "Operation Sellout" for the 2009-10 season to beef up ticket sales and show Sacramento basketball fans they are not moving the team."

Great PR move...LOL. Please show me ONE CREDIBLE evidence (NOT a kings own prepared financials) that shows they actually MADE $$ last year and I will publicly stand corrected. For now FORBES recent article is THE most credible evidence out there.


Operation Sellout is as big of a joke as foxnews is fair and balanced.

Operational sellout??? Is that why stubhub has kings tickets as low as $3.99???

All you folks are getting waaaaaaay too emotional with this. When this is all said and done and WHEN the Kings finally cut their losses and move, then you will all need group therapy. Hey maybe, the Seattle Supersonics fan can offer free group therapy...oh wait...they have an NFL team and a baseball team.. well maybe not.

[palango]

Why don't you quit ranting about your desire for the Kings to move. Fans of the Kings don't need your negative attitude when the morale is already low in the Sacramento area.

I was just stating my opinion based on BUSINESS sense. Its a losing proposition and how long can you go bleeding $$$ and put on an absolute atrocious product with No new arena in sight???

Like I said, the responses on this board proves my point that the diehard kings fans will need some serious therapy when this is all over because they are waaaaaaaay too emotional over this.

[Robert Giacometti]

I was wondering what you meant by the superbowl comment and then I read the following on Sacbee:
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It was a poor attempt at humor.

Weren't you the one to predict them to win 29 games last season when some of us thought you were crazy? I can understand your frustration regarding the Kings as they seem to have gone backwards this year. Yes, they have lost some games they had in the bag this year. This is the result of them being so young and inexperienced. They have some athletic talent, Tyreke is healthier and they do play hard and want to win. These are all positive signs the Kings will be better in just a few years.

There are stories about the Maloofs possibly loosing their Casino in Vegas. Given that story, its easy to speculate they may sell other assets and restructure. We don't really know if they make money on the Kings or not, but it seems they are practically giving tickets away to get people to come to the games, that indicates to me that business can't be real good.

Old Soldier makes a good point that there are only 30 (?) NBA team owners, so for the super rich and people who enjoy being in that exclusive company, that may be motive enough to keep the Kings and sell other things. We really don't know either way. We will find out shortly as I believe there is deadline in March for team owners to declare if they are planning to move their teams.

The Kings do assist in bringing an identity to Sacramento and do provide additional entertainment for those who enjoy prosports, but they are just one piece to the puzzle. I wouldn't want to see them leave, but would NEVER support raising sales taxes in Folsom to build them new Arena in Sacramento. The Bassackwards politicians in Sacramento City can't do anything without somebody else's money, therefore they shouldn't be rewarded with ours!

If the Kings leave, it will be as a result of thefailure of Politicians in Sac City and all of us will find something else to do, without any trouble.

[olivia]

teams go up and down as players get old or hurt and youngsters develop. the kings issue to me focuses on the arena.
sacramewnto is a nice sleepy town and wants to go back. the kings and the arena are two modern, and thats why folks are not behing any new arena

it gets worse when it seems the arena if it happens will be in that rail yard rather than at the arco property. probably cause the city keeps trying to lure folks downtown. can you imagine how long it would take to drive from folsom to a downtown arena compared to what it takes now to drive to arco, and then imaging the traffic before and after the game.

you kinda wonder at a kings game where the folks come from. I would bet not a lot from the city of sacramento, but more from the suburbs where there are more rich folks. you also would wonder with a new hard to get to arena, would the ticket prices go up. you would also wonder how many season ticket holders would give up their tickets for these reasons.

I predict the Maloofs will be moving out with the old Kings and Sacramento will come back to normal.

What exactly is "normal"?

[The Average Joe]

I don't want to make this political...but the whole reason we are having this discussion is because the City of Sacramento has repeatedly fumbled the ball on opportunities to promote Sacramento and the Kings. Other cities would KILL to have a large section of undeveloped land on the river in downtown. They would also love to have owners as vested in their city.
Someone with vision could create a signature development (not necessarily an arena, but I think that could be incorporated). Not condos and parking lots, but something Sacramentans could be proud of, and something people of other areas would come to experience. One ounce of creativity would be refreshing from the ruling boards.

Think of minimizing the parking footprint to allow for other entertainment areas; whether a fantastic park with outdoor ampitheater (small like the one in Incline Village) for our fabulous summer evenings, arborsculpture gardens like this or just about anything...
The parking could be accomplished many ways (multi story parking, river taxi, lightrail, etc.) How cool would it be to have dedicated lgihtrail party trains for locals, or park at the rivercats venue (parking already there) and either build a pedestrian overcrossing, or ride a river taxi to an arena.

Perhaps an opening roof on the arena for concerts under the stars, etc...which would have the benefit of people in the park/ eating/shopping areas hearing hints of whatever event was going on..perhaps the sounds of music or roar of the crowd would inspire them to see what they were missing...
Of course you would have housing and shops etc, but there are just so many possibilities to have our cake and eat it too. I just fear we will negotiate a horrible deal for a mediocre plan that will be poorly executed.

[palango]

It was a poor attempt at humor.

Weren't you the one to predict them to win 29 games last season when some of us thought you were crazy? I can understand your frustration regarding the Kings as they seem to have gone backwards this year. Yes, they have lost some games they had in the bag this year. This is the result of them being so young and inexperienced. They have some athletic talent, Tyreke is healthier and they do play hard and want to win. These are all positive signs the Kings will be better in just a few years.

There are stories about the Maloofs possibly loosing their Casino in Vegas. Given that story, its easy to speculate they may sell other assets and restructure. We don't really know if they make money on the Kings or not, but it seems they are practically giving tickets away to get people to come to the games, that indicates to me that business can't be real good.

Old Soldier makes a good point that there are only 30 (?) NBA team owners, so for the super rich and people who enjoy being in that exclusive company, that may be motive enough to keep the Kings and sell other things. We really don't know either way. We will find out shortly as I believe there is deadline in March for team owners to declare if they are planning to move their teams.

The Kings do assist in bringing an identity to Sacramento and do provide additional entertainment for those who enjoy prosports, but they are just one piece to the puzzle. I wouldn't want to see them leave, but would NEVER support raising sales taxes in Folsom to build them new Arena in Sacramento. The Bassackwards politicians in Sacramento City can't do anything without somebody else's money, therefore they shouldn't be rewarded with ours!

If the Kings leave, it will be as a result of thefailure of Politicians in Sac City and all of us will find something else to do, without any trouble.

Excellent assessment with great points. You really nailed it on the head with the last sentence.

[old soldier]

ok, at the request of olivia, old soldier will define normal, as he said what sacramento will return to if the kings leave.

the pig bowl will become sacramento's premier athletic event. sports fans will cheer for the san francisco football, baseball and basketball teams and attend games as field trips. the non fans will enjoy the bike trail, in and out burger, hiking and fishing and will be proud when out of state friends refer to their home in sacratomato

kids will study and not be tempted to go to arco to see wild rock and roll music, the folsom rodeo will satisfy the folks who liked rodeos at arco and finally the folks who like those big trucks can move away.

[olivia]

ok, at the request of olivia, old soldier will define normal, as he said what sacramento will return to if the kings leave.

the pig bowl will become sacramento's premier athletic event. sports fans will cheer for the san francisco football, baseball and basketball teams and attend games as field trips. the non fans will enjoy the bike trail, in and out burger, hiking and fishing and will be proud when out of state friends refer to their home in sacratomato

kids will study and not be tempted to go to arco to see wild rock and roll music, the folsom rodeo will satisfy the folks who liked rodeos at arco and finally the folks who like those big trucks can move away.

LOL, tongue-in-cheek! OS, I like your sense of humor!

[palango]

The latest on the Kings possible move to Anaheim. We will now more in about 2 weeks.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6140807

[cw68]

It's all about business?! Are you kidding me? Attitudes like this is what's ruined professional sports and is ruining college sports too. It's not about the star players that make six gazllion dollars.

I'm not surprised you followed CWebb back in Michigan (can we say Ed Martin? That really worked out well for Michigan and the Big Ten. That was all about supporting stars and winning over anything else-which is exactly your attitude) Watch a Michigan game with a Michigan fan when they lose a game. I've never heard so many professed fan swear up and down after a loss that they aren't ever going to watch another Michigan game ever. Sad. These alums should be solidly behind their institution.

Games are about winning, no doubt. Teams are about much more. It's comradery, city pride and faith. Trust me, I'm from Chicago. I know about loving losing teams.

By your logic Chicago should have kicked the Cubs out before most of us on this board was born. What would that have accomplished? Think the cubs don't make Ricketts a ton of cash or that the Lakeview neighborhood and elsewhere in Chicago don't make mucho bucks because of this losing team? Come on.

Fair weather fan, definitely. Ugh.

[palango]

By your logic Chicago should have kicked the Cubs out before most of us on this board was born. What would that have accomplished? Think the cubs don't make Ricketts a ton of cash or that the Lakeview neighborhood and elsewhere in Chicago don't make mucho bucks because of this losing team? Come on.

Fair weather fan, definitely. Ugh.

Fair weather and PROUD of it too. BTW, I am also a Bears and Bulls fan (when they had Micheal and Scottie). I met MJ before the eve of his 1st championship against LA and told him that I am so proud and no one deserves it more than him.

Great points, but two MAJOR deficiencies. We live in 2011 and NOT in 1991. One cannot escape that sports is a HUUUUUGe muti billion $$ PRODUCT . (That also applies in College sports and if you dont believe me look at all the video game revenue and the bowl game revenues and the huge TV contracts, etc).

Second, to compare Chi town (Chicago) to Sac Town (Sacramento) has to be one of the most laughable and insane arguments I have ever heard. I wont even compare Real Estate, Jobs, and HUGE business center, bu if you strictly look at SPORTS and CHAMPIONSHIPS, Chi Town has how many NBA championships?? Da Bears have been great how many years and they DO have a championshio and even the White Sox have Championships.

As far as the Cubs are concerned (even though I am NOT that big of a baseball fan), this is what RESEARCH (maybe you need to do some reveals):

Been around since 1876; The SACRAMENTO Kings since? 1985 ( I am NOt counting BEFORE they were in Sac Town)
Cubs have over 40 players in the Hall of Fame and How many does Sac Town Have????

One final point.... It IS a Business and PLEASE do your RESEARCH before you completely embarrass yourself with your EMOTIONAL rah rah speech:

Forbes magazine has come out with what your sports team is worth, profit wise.This is your teams bottom line.

Baseball;
1, New York Yankees, 1.026 billion
2, Boston Red Sox, 617 million
3, New York Mets, 604 million
4, Los Angeles Dodgers, 482 million
5, Chicago Cubs, 448 million

Football;
1, Washington Redskins, 1.3 billion
2, Dallas Cowboys, 1.06 billion
3, New England Patriots, 1.04 billion
4, Philadelphia Eagles, 952 million
5, Houston Texans, 946 million

Basketball;
1, New York Knicks, 543 million
2, Los Angeles Lakers, 529 million
3, Houston Rockets, 422 million
4, Chicago Bulls, 409 million
5, Dallas Mavericks 403 million