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Posted 02 June 2011 - 07:05 AM

Zillow now reporting my house has dropped another 5% this month (after dropping 5% last month too).

My house is now worth 375, I paid 425.

There are 2 short sales in my neighborhood, several (4-5) regular sales and even one house that has a Unfit to Occupy sign on the front door because the utilities are all shut off but there are squatters still living there, they probably stopped paying their mortgage months ago.

Unlike all the people who are walking away from their homes and screwing all our values, I'm staying, I'm in it for the long term.

It kills me to hear about people walking away from their homes only because the house has gone down in value - they didn't lose their job, they didn't get a pay cut, they got in over their heads buying mcmansions (bigger house then they needed) and now we get screwed by their bad greedy decisions because their foreclosed house will sell for well under value and thus devalue every house in the neighborhood! Argh! :censored:

Thanks a lot to all you fools who bought more then you should have and then like the wussy's you are, instead of manning up and working harder to pay for your debts you instead walk away from it all so that us neighbors are left with your baggage - the repercussions of your bad decision making! Devalued homes!

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:16 AM

National Home Prices Hit New Low in 2011 Q1 According to the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices (lots of graphs & other info)

Despite the greatest infusion of Fed money into the housing market of all time ... despite the government’s massive rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ... and despite all the happy talk of economic recovery ...

U.S. home prices have just suffered their worst decline in 16 months, plunging BELOW the LOWEST level of the entire 2007-2009 housing debacle!

This means that the entire housing market recovery since that time is now gone, wiped out.

It means that millions of homeowners who purchased homes anytime in the past eight years are now under water.

BUTTTT, so far, my experience with house hunting in Folsom does not reflect these realities. New listings are getting offers practically immediately, and current inventory is decreasing due to buyer demand. The summer buying frenzy has begun.


Yes, it's true that prices are lower than they were during 2007 to 2009. That's not really surprising, and while it's not good for homeowners (like me), who have seen their values plummet, it is great news for buyers, and they are buying at a furious pace right now.

The Real Estate market is unique to each geographic area, so while some areas, many areas or even most areas are indeed suffering, some are not. As you know, Folsom is booming.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:25 AM

Steve, we're booming? that's amazing. I've seen houses for sale for weeks that don't seem to show any sign of interest. Where are most of the purchases going on? Neighborhood? Price range? And why aren't those sales boosting up the zillow appraisals?
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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:01 AM

Steve, we're booming? that's amazing. I've seen houses for sale for weeks that don't seem to show any sign of interest. Where are most of the purchases going on? Neighborhood? Price range? And why aren't those sales boosting up the zillow appraisals?


I've had many conversations with Steve about this, and I'm sure he can explain it better. From my hunt, the majority of the homes are short sale. Sometimes the list price is not the bank approved list price, so once an offer is made, there is a coordination of loans between the various banks. It can take awhile for the banks to agree on a price, or a payoff. Apparently, people were making multiple offers, and then waiting for the best agreement, then dumping the other homes back on the market (hence "buyer walked" notations). Now, the bank is requiring a 1% downpayment on the price offered. Eventually, if the home doesn't sale, it goes into foreclosure, a flipper will come in, spruce it up & then bump the price up significantly. That is why, in my understanding, why these homes sit & sit. And I sit & sit...

Oh, if I see a house I like, I finally figured out that I have to immediately jump if I want to have any chance of getting my offer in.

Evidence of booming, people are offering more than the list price, and putting down huge downpayments. A condo I didn't jump on, received an offer at 10,000 more than list with a 50% deposit....that's $120,000 deposit.....

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:06 AM

I've had many conversations with Steve about this, and I'm sure he can explain it better. From my hunt, the majority of the homes are short sale. Sometimes the list price is not the bank approved list price, so once an offer is made, there is a coordination of loans between the various banks. It can take awhile for the banks to agree on a price, or a payoff. Apparently, people were making multiple offers, and then waiting for the best agreement, then dumping the other homes back on the market (hence "buyer walked" notations). Now, the bank is requiring a 1% downpayment on the price offered. Eventually, if the home doesn't sale, it goes into foreclosure, a flipper will come in, spruce it up & then bump the price up significantly. That is why, in my understanding, why these homes sit & sit. And I sit & sit...

Oh, if I see a house I like, I finally figured out that I have to immediately jump if I want to have any chance of getting my offer in.

Evidence of booming, people are offering more than the list price, and putting down huge downpayments. A condo I didn't jump on, received an offer at 10,000 more than list with a 50% deposit....that's $120,000 deposit.....


that's interesting. it doesn't sound like a boom to me. more like a buyer strategy for getting the best deal possible on whatever house they end up with. what a world, what a world! good luck with your sale, by the way! we had a non-foreclosure/non-bank sale house sell in our neighborhood in less than 24 hours (for far less than it was worth. another that is apparently bank owned has been sitting there for months.
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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:11 AM

that's interesting. it doesn't sound like a boom to me. more like a buyer strategy for getting the best deal possible on whatever house they end up with. what a world, what a world! good luck with your sale, by the way! we had a non-foreclosure/non-bank sale house sell in our neighborhood in less than 24 hours (for far less than it was worth. another that is apparently bank owned has been sitting there for months.


I'm a buyer :D:

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:11 AM

I've had many conversations with Steve about this, and I'm sure he can explain it better. From my hunt, the majority of the homes are short sale. Sometimes the list price is not the bank approved list price, so once an offer is made, there is a coordination of loans between the various banks. It can take awhile for the banks to agree on a price, or a payoff. Apparently, people were making multiple offers, and then waiting for the best agreement, then dumping the other homes back on the market (hence "buyer walked" notations). Now, the bank is requiring a 1% downpayment on the price offered. Eventually, if the home doesn't sale, it goes into foreclosure, a flipper will come in, spruce it up & then bump the price up significantly. That is why, in my understanding, why these homes sit & sit. And I sit & sit...

Oh, if I see a house I like, I finally figured out that I have to immediately jump if I want to have any chance of getting my offer in.

Evidence of booming, people are offering more than the list price, and putting down huge downpayments. A condo I didn't jump on, received an offer at 10,000 more than list with a 50% deposit....that's $120,000 deposit.....


So what happens in this scenario (less the large down payment) when it comes time for the appraisal and it comes in well below the condo price?

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:44 AM

Steve, we're booming? that's amazing. I've seen houses for sale for weeks that don't seem to show any sign of interest. Where are most of the purchases going on? Neighborhood? Price range? And why aren't those sales boosting up the zillow appraisals?

Booming is relative. Is it crazy busy like it was 6 or 7 years ago with people 20% equity gains? No. Are people coming off the fence and buying properties? Heck yes!

Let's look at some numbers. May sales figures will be adjusted as some agents report sales a little late, so these may change:

There are 464 homes listed on MLS in Folsom right now. Of those, 117 are 'pending sale' meaning they have agreement with buyer and seller and are scheduled to close. 136 are 'short-contingent' meaning that they are short-sales, the buyer and seller have agreed on price, and they are waiting for approval from the bank for approval of the short-payoff (not all will close). That means that 54% of the homes on the market have accepted offers.

Average days on market is at 59 for traditional sale, 74 for bank-owned and 161 for short-sale. At these rates, we now have a 3 month supply of inventory. Most 'experts' say 5 to 6 months is a normal or healthy market.

Just because you don't see anyone going into a property that's for sale, does not mean there's no interest. With tighter financing regulations, it can take longer to close (45 days is common), and of course with short-sales, even longer.

Of the 85 sales reported for May so far, 25 sold for more than listed price and another 12 sold at listed price.

Pendings are up, sales are up and inventory is down.


I've had many conversations with Steve about this, and I'm sure he can explain it better. From my hunt, the majority of the homes are short sale. Sometimes the list price is not the bank approved list price, so once an offer is made, there is a coordination of loans between the various banks. It can take awhile for the banks to agree on a price, or a payoff. Apparently, people were making multiple offers, and then waiting for the best agreement, then dumping the other homes back on the market (hence "buyer walked" notations). Now, the bank is requiring a 1% downpayment on the price offered. Eventually, if the home doesn't sale, it goes into foreclosure, a flipper will come in, spruce it up & then bump the price up significantly. That is why, in my understanding, why these homes sit & sit. And I sit & sit...

Oh, if I see a house I like, I finally figured out that I have to immediately jump if I want to have any chance of getting my offer in.

Evidence of booming, people are offering more than the list price, and putting down huge downpayments. A condo I didn't jump on, received an offer at 10,000 more than list with a 50% deposit....that's $120,000 deposit.....

You've got it down pretty well. The deposit requirement, however, is a seller requirement rather than a bank one. Sellers and agents are getting tired of frivolous offers, so many (including me) are asking buyers to put their deposit in escrow upon offer acceptance by the seller, rather than waiting for bank approval on the short-sale. This eliminates the people who are putting out multiple offers to see what sticks, as they aren't the types who want to tie up their money on a property they may not buy.

that's interesting. it doesn't sound like a boom to me. more like a buyer strategy for getting the best deal possible on whatever house they end up with. what a world, what a world! good luck with your sale, by the way! we had a non-foreclosure/non-bank sale house sell in our neighborhood in less than 24 hours (for far less than it was worth. another that is apparently bank owned has been sitting there for months.


As mentioned above, the multiple offer strategy is being curtailed by deposit requirements.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:48 AM

So what happens in this scenario when it comes time for the appraisal and it comes in well below what is being paid for the condo?

That depends on the parties involved and on the financing.

The most common response is for the buyer to renegotiate the price. I have seen buyers pay the difference out of pocket, or in the case where the downpayment is significant enough, such as this one where they are putting 50% down, it won't matter as the bank's loan-to-value is still low.

Does that make sense?

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:58 AM

thanks, Steve. that's very interesting stuff! and another reason to be glad to own property in Folsom. we seem to be doing better than some of the other surrounding communities. by the way, are you seeing any trends in the rental market here?
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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:59 AM

That depends on the parties involved and on the financing.

The most common response is for the buyer to renegotiate the price. I have seen buyers pay the difference out of pocket, or in the case where the downpayment is significant enough, such as this one where they are putting 50% down, it won't matter as the bank's loan-to-value is still low.

Does that make sense?


Sorry. I had edited my post because I realized with a large downpayment it wouldn't matter to the bank as long as what was financed was still less than what the property appraised for.

Good deal getting a property for thousands less than you offered because the property values declined before the appraisal was done. Not so good for the rest of us that own and are watching our home values plummet.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:35 AM

Where are most of the purchases going on? Neighborhood? Price range? And why aren't those sales boosting up the zillow appraisals?


Forgot to address this. The sales are literally all over the map. It's more about the property. The sweet spot seems to be somewhat modest homes, 3 bed 2 bath between about 1500 to 2000 sq ft, give or take, in the $275K to $325K price range.

Zillow only reports on sold data, and prices are down from years past, so even if a house sells for more than it was listed for, it's still selling for less than perhaps it would have a year ago.

by the way, are you seeing any trends in the rental market here?


Our rental property manager says that if you have a Folsom house for rent, you'll have 10 applicants as soon as you advertise it, more if you allow pets. Investors make up about 1/3 of the market in Sac County right now, because they know they can get positive cashflow. Properties are more expensive in Folsom than similar homes in other areas, and the rents aren't that much greater, but you generally get a good quality renter here and lots to choose from.

Good deal getting a property for thousands less than you offered because the property values declined before the appraisal was done. Not so good for the rest of us that own and are watching our home values plummet.

It's not so much that property values decline before the appraisal is done, it's more about appraiser opinion or buyer excitement and motivation. I do have a friend who turned down an offer because it was too high and I know REO agents who reject financed offers which are too far above asking price because they don't want to go through the appraisal/renegotiation/rejection process.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:49 AM

It's not so much that property values decline before the appraisal is done, it's more about appraiser opinion or buyer excitement and motivation. I do have a friend who turned down an offer because it was too high and I know REO agents who reject financed offers which are too far above asking price because they don't want to go through the appraisal/renegotiation/rejection process.


It just seems if there are multiple offers on a place that is bank-owned, it doesn't matter if there ends up being multiple bids at the asking price or above if the value isn't there. I'm only bringing this up because I know someone it has happened to and the bank went ahead and let them have it for the lower appraisal price rather than renegotiating and putting it back on the market.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:04 PM

It just seems if there are multiple offers on a place that is bank-owned, it doesn't matter if there ends up being multiple bids at the asking price or above if the value isn't there. I'm only bringing this up because I know someone it has happened to and the bank went ahead and let them have it for the lower appraisal price rather than renegotiating and putting it back on the market.

We might be talking about 2 different issues here.

With most offers to purchase, there's an appraisal contingency stating that it must appraise at no less than the specified purchase price.

In one case, a property was listed for $320K, and there were multiple offers. The highest was for $345K, using FHA financing with 3.5% downpayment.

Based on comparable sales, it was unlikely the property would actually appraise that high, so the seller rejected the offer, choosing a more reasonable one and avoiding having to delay closing by renegotiating or putting it back on the market.

Some buyers have purposely bid more than they thought the property was worth so they'd get the deal, then renegotiating after the appraisal came in. The danger is that with appraisals being subjective, it may appraise for that higher price and they are then obligated to complete the purchase at that price.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:19 PM

We might be talking about 2 different issues here.

With most offers to purchase, there's an appraisal contingency stating that it must appraise at no less than the specified purchase price.

In one case, a property was listed for $320K, and there were multiple offers. The highest was for $345K, using FHA financing with 3.5% downpayment.

Based on comparable sales, it was unlikely the property would actually appraise that high, so the seller rejected the offer, choosing a more reasonable one and avoiding having to delay closing by renegotiating or putting it back on the market.

Some buyers have purposely bid more than they thought the property was worth so they'd get the deal, then renegotiating after the appraisal came in. The danger is that with appraisals being subjective, it may appraise for that higher price and they are then obligated to complete the purchase at that price.


I agree that would be a risky strategy.

I think maybe it is something more likely to happen on lower-end properties, as it was in this case, where it's more a matter of first-time buyers try and offer either asking price or a little higher because they are tired of being outbid by investors who can pay cash. In this case, it ended up a good deal and a young person might actually get into their first place.




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