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[crossski]

All I can say is good. She deserves every penny of that ticket and then some.
Should consider herself lucky she didn't start a forest fire like the dumb @#% kids up in Tahoe about three years ago. Burned down a couple hundred houses and lucky
some residents/firefighters didn't get killed.

[MrsTuffPaws]

Of note, per mom per judge, all traffic laws are being fully enforced. In the past, you could appear in court to contest your ticket & likely win because the deputy did not attend. That has now changed. The deputies are now required to attend. And if you broke any other traffic law while being pulled over (i.e., stopping in front of a driveway & blocking it), then those charges will be added to your moving violation. Failure to appear to a summons now results in a $1000 fine, on top of all other charges.

Is that police or sheriff? Sounds like a HUGE money sink, if every officer must go to court each time a ticket is contested.

[Redone]

And if you broke any other traffic law while being pulled over (i.e., stopping in front of a driveway & blocking it), then those charges will be added to your moving violation. Failure to appear to a summons now results in a $1000 fine, on top of all other charges.

What about under age smoking ?

Is that police or sheriff? Sounds like a HUGE money sink, if every officer must go to court each time a ticket is contested.

2 hours of OT would be less than $ 1,000 --- so it's a MONEY MAKER !

[tsukiji]

2 hours of OT would be less than $ 1,000 --- so it's a MONEY MAKER !

I think the $1000 fine was being indicated as applied for no-shows.

Considering that the LEO is coming in on a day off (or someone is given the need to ensure coverage during shifts), I'd say that fines for any infraction should start much higher, compensatory enough to cover wages + punitive to cover having someone work on a day off + punitive to really discourage repeat behavior. Or how about public caning like in Singapore?

If you want to change people's behavior, itty bitty fines won't do it (especially since you're not likely to be caught in the first place). You really have to put the fear of God into them (so to speak) since they don't willingly want to play nice in the first place.

[caligirlz]

Is that police or sheriff? Sounds like a HUGE money sink, if every officer must go to court each time a ticket is contested.

I don't know. This is all second hand from the mom. I would assume it's any officer that writes tickets.


As for the daughter, time will tell whether this lesson will have a lasting effect or not. Mom reports that she's already done a 180 degree turn around, so there is hope. Some teenagers do learn the lesson without the maximum sentence enforced.

[Darth Lefty]

Or how about public caning like in Singapore?

Be sure to take your knitting like Madame Defarge.

Can't believe we have four pages on littering when the teenagers are fighting in the street.

[caligirlz]

Or how about public caning like in Singapore?

I didn't even notice that comment, thanks Darth Lefty. Thank God we don't have the same laws as Singapore!!

With this line of reason, perhaps we should return to the 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'...ya know, if someone steals, cut off his hand, or for underage smokers throwing cigs out the window, cut out their tongue or sew up their mouth....

[ducky]

Be sure to take your knitting like Madame Defarge.

Can't believe we have four pages on littering when the teenagers are fighting in the street.

Throwing a burning object out of a moving vehicle can be so much more than just littering. Maybe you'd feel differently if that type of "littering" cost you your home or caused a firefighter to be injured or killed fighting the aftermath of such carelessness.

[tsukiji]

I didn't even notice that comment, thanks Darth Lefty. Thank God we don't have the same laws as Singapore!!

With this line of reason, perhaps we should return to the 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'...ya know, if someone steals, cut off his hand, or for underage smokers throwing cigs out the window, cut out their tongue or sew up their mouth....

Somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Still, you could argue that at least Singapore is clean. And obviously our legal / punishment system is hardly effective. I'm sick and tired of people who have no respect and regard for others.

[caligirlz]

Somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Still, you could argue that at least Singapore is clean. And obviously our legal / punishment system is hardly effective. I'm sick and tired of people who have no respect and regard for others.

I always thought the government in Singapore was like a dictatorship, at least that is how it is frequently reported in the media. I was surprised to see that it is somewhat like the USA, as a "parliamentary republic whereby the President of Singapore is the head of government, and of a multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the cabinet. Like many countries in the world today, there are three separate branches of government: the legislature, executive and judiciary" per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Singapore....I don't know how accurate that is, since I can't find any other government source online right now.

Caning people sounds SO barbaric.

[4thgenFolsomite]

if the government has reached the end of its ability to maintain society, perhaps people will need to take on the responsibilities of citizenship themselves.

[tsukiji]

Caning people sounds SO barbaric.

Perhaps. But I bet it's a much stronger disincentive than a measly fine for the entitled rich.

[caligirlz]

Perhaps. But I bet it's a much stronger disincentive than a measly fine for the entitled rich.

I'm not sure I understand your definition of the "entitled rich". The girl whom I originally posted about does not live in a wealthy household...far, far from it. So, for her, the fine & the community service, plus other circumstances that I have not mentioned, are a very strong disincentive.

[tsukiji]

I'm not sure I understand your definition of the "entitled rich". The girl whom I originally posted about does not live in a wealthy household...far, far from it. So, for her, the fine & the community service, plus other circumstances that I have not mentioned, are a very strong disincentive.

I was speaking generally.