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[Folsom Guy]

The Mayor is going to be on the Eric Hogue show (am 1380) today @ 12:30 to talk about the housing law suit.

Won't be able to listen in or call-in. But, am hoping it will become clear as to who initiated the whole overturn procwess (and why); who all supported it (or opposed it) and why before the city council shot itself itslef in the foot allowed it self to be sued. Hopefully, the mayor will explain what the benefits are of the decision....

[Robert Giacometti]

Won't be able to listen in or call-in. But, am hoping it will become clear as to who initiated the whole overturn procwess (and why); who all supported it (or opposed it) and why before the city council shot itself itslef in the foot allowed it self to be sued. Hopefully, the mayor will explain what the benefits are of the decision....

You're funny!

Do you really think you are going to get the real answer to any of this?

If you want to see somethng funnier....watch the tape of the city Council meeting where Senior Staff, David Miller says something to the effect that "other agencies are doing far more" while addressing the council and the way the council just jumps all over him.

I was waiting for the trap door to open beneath him and he falls into the shark pool!

[Homer]

Won't be able to listen in or call-in. But, am hoping it will become clear as to who initiated the whole overturn procwess (and why); who all supported it (or opposed it) and why before the city council shot itself itslef in the foot allowed it self to be sued. Hopefully, the mayor will explain what the benefits are of the decision....

You didn't miss much. In the part of the interview i heard the mayor side stepped the housing lawsuit, He claimed if there was more transparency it would give an advantage to the plaintiffs. He spent most of the interview talking about Sutter st. and his tenure on the RT board.

[Terry]

I don't think it's accurate to say that hardworking people with lower incomes can't afford to live in Folsom. We've had firefighters as neighbors (all three I can think of ended up moved into nice, new homes in other parts of Folsom, actually), we have teachers on our street, a police officer, and we've had prison guards.

So maybe those hardworking folks won't be able to start out in a brand-new home in Empire Ranch or American River Canyon, but owning a home is not out of reach for the people you mention. They're already doing it.

The interesting (or disgusting) thing about these types of lawsuits is that the attorneys have to go out and find an individual in whose name they can file suit. I know the person whose names was used years ago (early 90s?) in the affordable housing lawsuit against Folsom. He still lives in the same low-income apartment he lived in before the suit. He was simply a pawn in another attorney's efforts to make money.

[Homer]

The interesting (or disgusting) thing about these types of lawsuits is that the attorneys have to go out and find an individual in whose name they can file suit. I know the person whose names was used years ago (early 90s?) in the affordable housing lawsuit against Folsom. He still lives in the same low-income apartment he lived in before the suit. He was simply a pawn in another attorney's efforts to make money.

Yea, Class action lawsuits are profitible for the Attorneys (Not so much for the plaintiffs), Especially when they receive tax payer subsidies as Legal Services of Northern California does to file them.

[maestro]

Robert Giacommetti wrote:
If people would go back and review the Council Agenda for July, you'll see where they were going to consider LOANING $4.5 MILLION dollars to build 80 affordable housing units in the HD. I suspect they were doing this to argue in court that they don't need to have the Inclusiuonary componet to build affordable housing.

To all our conservative friends out there, the Council was going to use YOUR Tax Dollars to build Affordable Housing instead of allowing it to be built by the private sector as we develop! Is this what you want?"



Just a few comments:
1. Robert is right on; we will end up paying for the affordable housing rather than the developers. This is just in time to save South of 50 developer(s) huge sums.
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2. The city is expecting to finance affordable units. City is also subsidizing construction of affordables by donating city land, such as the Sibley, north of Blue Ravine acreage. The garbage operations have already moved out of this land. We could gain lots of money selling this for market usage, not providing land for legal compliance.
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(3. Does it make sense that Silverbrook 33 acres is being down-zoned from Industrial to single family so Lewis Homes can build hundreds of market price units? Loss of tax base is huge in this down-zoning. Bet there are zero affordable in there.)
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4. The city is probably pushing on the Sibley affordable units because they wish to have something to show the judge in court.
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5. This lawsuit is for a Writ of Mandate. This should be interesting, if not crazy. No matter what, the council has apparently decided who will pay for providing affordable units and it's not the developers who will reap the profits. Please keep in mind that we residents are paying for the litigation as well, and it is questionable the council can triumph.

[supermom]

I don't think it's accurate to say that hardworking people with lower incomes can't afford to live in Folsom. We've had firefighters as neighbors (all three I can think of ended up moved into nice, new homes in other parts of Folsom, actually), we have teachers on our street, a police officer, and we've had prison guards.

So maybe those hardworking folks won't be able to start out in a brand-new home in Empire Ranch or American River Canyon, but owning a home is not out of reach for the people you mention. They're already doing it.

Im pretty sure that fire fighters and cops are not anywhere near the low income levell for California. Even after the terrifically horrible cuttbacks, the average cop makes a considerable anount of money. particularly since there is only one agency in the area that requires a bachelors degree of their officers prior to entering the academy.

My point? lots of people out there with basic survival skills/hard workers make a lot less. Well, I think a few make more. Like strippers and..maybe dope dealers

Spoiler

joke, just a joke:)

Longshoremen, are considered hardworkers and struggle for decent wages--but they even have a union. Ok, we don't have longshoremen here. What about the railhead engineer crews? The grocery store clerks? (again they have unions)


To Andy:
andy, on 17 September 2011 - 08:43 AM, said:

uh...you can always choose to live somewhere else. It's not like a fence that keeps people from leaving. The point is to provide more options like starter homes, opportunities to downsize, a chance to stay connected if you lose your job and need cheaper housing.



No offense bu folsom is the most unfriendly town in northern california when it comes to low income families struggling to find a quiet place to lie their heads at night.

To Robert-- 80 low income units (tiny little one bedroom apartments for people getting out of jail) --not actually meant for the public, like single parents and stuff--
Did you know the waiting list for approved low income is over 300 people for more than 2 years, and they get bumped when a sex offender gets transferred to folsom prison and quietly gets released out into the "community"? They bump hard working families in favor of criminals so that they can be wated off of natomas st.

Or so I have been informed.

So, no, I guess you don't really get to choose. You get guided. sometimnes pushed out of one community. Completely because of income. When there is no reason why there can not be coexisting multi-level incomes in the same neighborhoods; providing diversity to the community.