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#46 EDF

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:14 AM

I betcha not.


OMG... Sweetie... you really are out of touch...

There's so much welfare out there you haven't a clue.. They do get cell phones...

And while I might be a white guy... I'm not rich and I deal with folks who I can say made "bad decisions" in their lives and yet when someone tries to point that out to them and even help..? they are sneered at by the likes of folks like you that think is heartless to have them work for their food...

have you noticed how fat the people are that are on welfare..? Get a grip her kiddo...

If you don't have an ID... you aren't really part of society or are a "burden" upon it...

We are America... you have the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... no right to an "outcome" which is what you "bamster" people are all about... and of course you'd like to be in charge of us all because you have more "compassion" than us...

NO ID... NO VOTE....

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:19 AM

OMG... Sweetie... you really are out of touch...

There's so much welfare out there you haven't a clue.. They do get cell phones...

And while I might be a white guy... I'm not rich and I deal with folks who I can say made "bad decisions" in their lives and yet when someone tries to point that out to them and even help..? they are sneered at by the likes of folks like you that think is heartless to have them work for their food...

have you noticed how fat the people are that are on welfare..? Get a grip her kiddo...

If you don't have an ID... you aren't really part of society or are a "burden" upon it...

We are America... you have the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... no right to an "outcome" which is what you "bamster" people are all about... and of course you'd like to be in charge of us all because you have more "compassion" than us...

NO ID... NO VOTE....

OMG, you are so out of touch. The "poor" of which you speak are not the poor of which I'm speaking. A family living in a trailer in a holler of West Virginia and the people you're speaking of trying to get section 8 housing are not the same

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:35 AM

Hey Chris, a little reality check for you.......! Only two of those are a right guaranteed to us and, if I'm correct, you fully support that right and are against attempts to squash it.

Nope, you're not getting a "pass" here on this one. You're not going to blow off that list so easily...! The point you missed is that most things on that list are minor activities in life that you have to show an ID for. Voting is very important and can not be jeopardized by flagrant cheating and manipulation. I do fully support our rights to vote and I want to protect it. I am not going put up with the Acorns and the labor unions of this country diluting my vote by busing in illegals, ineligibles, out of city, out of county, out of state, and multiple voters. Not to mention stuffing the ballot box with bogus absentee ballots all while trying everything they can to make it hard on our men and women in the military to vote. Your side has stolen two very important recent elections. The 2004 Gubernatorial race in Washington State and the 2008 Al Franken election in Minnesota. Those were both flagrant acts of voter fraud by "discovering" more votes for the dem once the Republican had won....! You can massage and try to explain it away but anybody with half a brain can see what really goes on here. Voter ID will put a big wrench in the democratic voter fraud machine and you guys are very worried about that....! Chris

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003808207_votefraud27m.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311655/posts

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/voter-118654-fraud-franken.html

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:39 AM

Chris, I completely disagree with you and don't think we're ever going to come to agreement on this issue. And, btw, I do have a full brain, but thanks for that.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:47 PM

Chris, I completely disagree with you and don't think we're ever going to come to agreement on this issue. And, btw, I do have a full brain, but thanks for that.


Oh stop it with the hurt feelings...! You pull out "While you'd probably be OK going back to only white, male landowners voting......" in this thread, which is both racist and sexist...! Then you call me out for the mild jab of "half a brain"....? Anyway, voter ID is a must and I think the dem position on this matter will only hurt them come this November. Chris

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

OMG, you are so out of touch. The "poor" of which you speak are not the poor of which I'm speaking. A family living in a trailer in a holler of West Virginia and the people you're speaking of trying to get section 8 housing are not the same



I think under the Obama administration we have had our share of compassion used throughly up.

The depiction of poor people down in a “holler” in Virginia has been tossed around here enough. Give us all a frigging break! In the “Holler” indeed. You don’t need to go that far to see the same types right in your own back yard.

The fact is, a lot of those poor people down in that holler, are of very low IQ and the inbreeding is deplorable. A lack of education and enough brain cells to make any kind of good decision in life, are pretty much out of the question. A rare few get out of there and have a better life. Most just surrender to their lot and haven’t the drive and determination it takes to leave and strive for more. Most ten years of age are drinking and on drugs as bad or worse than their parents.

Little clue here....you are not the only one that knows about a “Holler” or the likes of the poor in that state or others. I know they all take baths in the same tub of water, each taking a turn about once a week, if that. I know they spend their money first on alcohol/drugs, then what is left over goes for food. I know they steal, lie and do whatever they must to get what they want/need. And working for a living just gets in their way of their partying. But the fact is, most of these people are just down right dumb and irresponsible.

So, we must be concerned that these types of people are going to have trouble voting? LOL!
Honey, the last thing on their alcohol soaked brains, is voting!!! A small few have any idea about the candidates or what they stand for. They mostly are drunk and watching the flies buzz around their unwashed heads.

Most here see clearly that your concern is the number of votes Obama gets and the fact that if voter ID is implemented, there may well be a lot fewer of them!

Now, before you come after me for an all out attack, keep in mind that we all aren’t as stupid about those poor folks in the “Holler" as you seem to think we are.

I don’t know about other posters here, but you have insulted my intelligence.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:26 PM

Most here see clearly that your concern is the number of votes Obama gets and the fact that if voter ID is implemented, there may well be a lot fewer of them!

As I've stated before, this has nothing to do with partisan politics, rather something my Republican parents instilled in me. Believe it or not, but don't make false assumptions about my motives because you are flat out wrong on this.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

I give up on this subject, I'll never understand why nobody should be required to show ID when they vote... it just does not seem right to blow off the importance of voting legally, I don't get that...

But hey wait, does this mean I can go vote as often as I want now? Maybe I can also go to go to Mexico and pickup a dozen people, bring them over the border, buy them lunch and tell them to vote for Romney .... seems legit I guess...

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:14 PM

Everyone has a right to vote. They have the RESPONSIBILITY to cast an informed vote. If part of the RESPONSIBILITY that goes along with the RIGHT to vote is to get an ID, that is not unreasonable.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:23 PM

Everyone has a right to vote. They have the RESPONSIBILITY to cast an informed vote. If part of the RESPONSIBILITY that goes along with the RIGHT to vote is to get an ID, that is not unreasonable.


Very well said and summed up.....! Way to go Joe...! Chris

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 09:54 AM

Should homeless people not have a right to vote?

The bottom line is the guarantee of our freedoms and liberty. Our Constitution is what sets us high and above other countries. The Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection clause states that ALL American citizens are entitled to the same rights and that no law can be made that denies someone a right or discriminates against a person or group of persons.

Requiring a photo ID denies plenty of people that right. I don't care if it's 1% of the people whom this affects. Those 1%er's right to vote is just as important as the other 99%'s.

This isn't above people being too lazy to get an ID.

They wouldn't be registered if they didn't have an address. So, yes, I would say we don't want unregistered people to vote.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:39 PM

Even Mexico requires an ID to vote - how stupid has America become? I swear this is still a democratic voter scam to make it mandatory ZERO ID is required to vote here in America.

Don't bother trying to discredit this post with the ever powerful 2 person run snopes.com debunking, it won't work this time because this is fact and the article is by USA Today

Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture

MEXICO CITY – Office worker Ana Martínez lined up at 7 a.m. on a recent Sunday to renew her voter credential, a document required at a polling station to vote.

But voting was not the main reason she was getting it. The free photo ID issued by the Federal Electoral Institute had become the accepted way to prove one's identity — and is a one-card way to open a bank account, board an airplane and buy beer.

Voting was almost an afterthought to Martínez.

"They ask for it everywhere," she said. "It's very difficult to live without it."

National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud, illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.

Proponents, such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform, say it is an efficient way to verify identities and prevent crime. Opponents, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, describe it as an invasion of privacy. Minority advocacy groups have even alleged that the cards would frighten minorities going to the polls.

But Mexico has not seen many problems with its card, and national identity cards have been issued for years in France, Poland, Singapore, Brazil, to prove citizenship.

Boosts country's democracy

Mexican officials unveiled the voting ID two decades ago to properly identify electors in a country with a history of voters casting multiple ballots and curious vote counts resulting in charges of fraud — most notoriously in 1988 when a computer crash wiped out early results favoring the opposition.

The credential proved so good at guaranteeing the identification of electors that it became the country's preferred credential, one now possessed by just about every adult Mexican. Its widespread acceptance deepened democracy, too, by giving credibility to the Federal Electoral Institute, analysts say. The agency was created as an independent agency to oversee federal elections.

"It's a very important prop for support of that institution," said Federico Estévez, political science professor at the Autonomous Technological Institute of Mexico. "What people really know about (the electoral institute) is the card."

The card must be renewed every 10 years. This meant thousands of Mexicans whose cards were expiring had to apply for a new one prior to Jan. 15 if they wanted to vote in the July 1 presidential election, prompting long lines outside agency service centers.

People in the lines were clutching folders of documents needed for renewal: a birth certificate, another form of photo identification and a recent utility bill.

Unlike Mexico, whose voting rules are set by the federal government, the United States leaves many voting requirements up to individual states.

Minority groups say the requirements could diminish voter turnout and negatively impact the elderly, students and African-American and Latino voters who are less likely to have the required identification.

"The complaint is basically the requiring (of a photo identification) that not everybody has and creating an extra burden and cost to get that," said Lawrence Norden, deputy director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University's law school.

Some U.S. states, including Texas and South Carolina, approved laws last year requiring voters to show a government photo identification prior to voting. The U.S. Justice Department rejected the law, saying it discriminates against minorities.

South Carolina's attorney general's office said there is no evidence that has ever happened in other states that require voter IDs. Citing the cards' necessity to safeguard the integrity of elections, the state argued in a lawsuit against Justice that of an estimated 239,233 registered voters with no appropriate photo ID, 37,000 were deceased and 91,000 no longer lived in South Carolina.

The debate also has national security implications. Improved identifications were recommended by the 9/11 Commission given that the hijackers had driver's licenses or state non-driver's identification cards that they used to rent apartments, open bank accounts and board planes. Social Security numbers are often used as proof of eligibility to work, but illegal immigrants often use stolen numbers.

Carries tough rules

Mexico's voter ID has some key elements that make them acceptable to the public, say officials here. They cost nothing to obtain and the issuing agency operates hundreds of service centers nationwide, making requests relatively easy.

Though some U.S. states allow people to vote without IDs, Mexico makes no exceptions for individuals lacking the proper documents. The Federal Electoral Institute also refused to extend the registration period or grant an amnesty for those applying late, leaving more than a million people ineligible to vote.

"It is a matter that has to do with a culture of respect for the law," Francisco Guerrero, one of the nine commissioners on the institute, told the newspaper Reforma.

The agency makes no apologies for the tough rules or requiring photo identifications, given Mexico's history of troubled elections. "We started from such a point of distrust, especially in the electoral system," institute commissioner María Marván said.

"In order to strengthen democracy, we have to start believing in our own institutions. That's a big challenge in Mexico."

The card does not guarantee fraud-free elctions, however. During 71 years of uninterrupted Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) rule, which ended in 2000, electoral crooks known as Mapaches, or raccoons, went about stuffing and stealing ballot boxes. Stories also abound of PRI operatives plying poor voters with sandwiches and soft drinks and then escorting the recently fed to the polling stations.

"They asked for identification or they didn't and you voted as many times as you were told," said Jeffrey Weldon, director of the political science program at Autonomous Technological Institute of Mexico.

Although the national photo ID was introduced to stop voter fraud, it has achieved much more, bolstering the credibility of elections and helping the poor, some say.

The IDs resolved a problem for many poor people "who previously had no way of being able to identify themselves," said Miguel Ángel Carlos, security committee coordinator at the Association of Mexican Banks.

There is one thing the cards do not do: inspire more confidence in candidates. Ana Martínez says that despite getting her new card, she probably won't use it to vote. "There's no candidate worth voting for."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-22/mexico-national-voter-ID-cards/52779410/1

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:46 PM

I know there are some people on here who assume that I am a liberal, lefty, communist who thinks that anyone who wants to should be able to vote. However, on this subject, I agree that a photo ID should be required to vote in ANY election. Governing our country, states, counties, cities, etc. it far too important to leave to people who cannot even try to prove they have the right to vote. Legitimate ID cards should be free but everyone who votes should have to have one. If you can't fly or drive without an ID there is no way you should be able to vote without one.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:49 PM

I know there are some people on here who assume that I am a liberal, lefty, communist who thinks that anyone who wants to should be able to vote. However, on this subject, I agree that a photo ID should be required to vote in ANY election. Governing our country, states, counties, cities, etc. it far too important to leave to people who cannot even try to prove they have the right to vote. Legitimate ID cards should be free but everyone who votes should have to have one. If you can't fly or drive without an ID there is no way you should be able to vote without one.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

LOL

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