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[caligirlz]

I know the planes fly over a portion of Empire Ranch too. When I almost bought at the Madrone condo's in 2007, there was a disclaimer that talked about it being in the flight path for Mather.

[4thgenFolsomite]

I know the planes fly over a portion of Empire Ranch too. When I almost bought at the Madrone condo's in 2007, there was a disclaimer that talked about it being in the flight path for Mather.

so that means that everyone in the flight path would be required to disclose that when they went to sell their house. that might give some of you pause.

[mac_convert]

I live in Empire Ranch and I don't hear aircraft from above.

9/23-I went outside this morning and heard some aircraft above so perhaps I am in the flight pattern and don't notice it!

[Sandman]

I live in Chelsa Ridge & planes fly directly over my house. I usually see them in the evening. I'm not up for the early morning flights. I rarely notice the noise & it doesn't wake me up. It does seem like they are really low. I believe the flight path is over the top of the ridge by Vista Del Lago HS &/ or Carpenter Hill. It always makes me think of plane wrecks in neighborhoods. If something happened, they'd take out all the houses on the hillside. For me, that's more concerning than the noise potential.

When plane accidents happen around airports more times than not is on takeoff, not landing. I'm not concerned about one of them coming though my back door:)

For anyone interesed in seeing the flight path first hand take your kids to Handy park in the evening after 5PM and you will see a few cargo planes come in to Mather during that time. They usually fly directly over the park or just a few hundred yards to the north of it. OR, pull up Mather airport on Google maps, put a straight edge on the runway and see how it intersects with the exact area I am describing.

[ducky]

Besides the noise pollution aspect, is there also consideration being given to the air pollution aspect of increased air traffic?

[Robert Giacometti]

Obviously the people who think its no big deal have not been anywhere near the sound. The people who do have to deal with it are screwed.

Yes, those who are directly under the flight path are defintely more affected than those who aren't. I suspect those who are directly under a flight path, probably were given some type of disclosure that this was under a flight path.

IF, they were given a disclosure about being under a flight path, then I understand their unhappiness about the impacts of additional flights, but its what they bought into.

If Mather was going to build an additional runway and create additional flight paths, IMO, then these residents would have a stronger arguement against creating these impacts and probably have recourse

If the hours of operation were from 6:00 am to whatever and NOW the airport wants to begin at 4:00 am, that too would be a change into what people bought into.

Having flights arrive earlier than the scheduled opening is a different issue than changing the operations plan and should be addressed by THE BOS. There should be remedies to this situation.

I'm sympathetic to those who are more affected by this, however if you knowingly bought under a flight plan knowing the region was growing, it seems logical that the number flights were going to increase!

This is an example why its so CRUCIAL to make sure S50 and Rezones have all the details spelled out BEFORE anything gets approved!

[Sandman]

We moved into our house in March of 2011 and I do not ever recall being shown a disclosure about being in Mather's flight path. IF this existed it should be in my escrow docs correct?

[Robert Giacometti]

We moved into our house in March of 2011 and I do not ever recall being shown a disclosure about being in Mather's flight path. IF this existed it should be in my escrow docs correct?

I think you should have a copy of everything you signed? Isn't the previous owner required to share all known nuisances prior to closing?

If you are under a flight path and it wasn't disclosed, I suspect you'd have some type of recourse. Although I also suspect you probably signed some sort of binding arbitration agreement on how to resolve this.

[Rich_T]

I remembering caring about this issue over ten years ago. I used to be woken up by loud planes overhead as early as 4:00 AM, after previously having no such flights occur. Then somehow the flight path must have been slightly altered, and the planes no longer fly directly over my house. I was lucky. So I did the human thing, which was to stop overly caring about the issue - it was "somebody else's problem" now, and there was nothing I could do anyway. But I'm glad to see it's become a public issue once more.

Here are the things I learned from back then:

1) Ultimately, no one cares about your plight, and certainly not the county of Sacramento and its officials. They are more likely to mock you than help you.

2) The landowners of S50 do NOT want the flight path changed from populated N50 to virtually unpopulated S50, even though S50 will not be developed for quite some time.

3) As far as I know, no one ever received any disclosures about Mather when buying homes here. That may change now that the issue is up front and center.

4) The two sides seem unable to identify the compromise solution that makes sense: i.e. simply ban cargo flights between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM, and heavily fine violators. If some packages take an extra day to make it to Sacramento, so be it - people will survive just fine.

5) As far as I know, none of the people who say they don't mind the planes, or even enjoy them, are the ones being woken up at 4:00 AM. Once it happens to you (regularly and forever), you suddenly understand the problem.

[Dude]

5) As far as I know, none of the people who say they don't mind the planes, or even enjoy them, are the ones being woken up at 4:00 AM. Once it happens to you (regularly and forever), you suddenly understand the problem.

Did you mean to say "are the ones NOT being woken u.

Remember the crucial date is Oct 7th to make your comments official.

[Rich_T]

Did you mean to say "are the ones NOT being woken u.

Remember the crucial date is Oct 7th to make your comments official.

I meant that, most likely, none of the people who say they don't mind the planes are being woken up by the planes.

[Robert Giacometti]

I remembering caring about this issue over ten years ago. I used to be woken up by loud planes overhead as early as 4:00 AM, after previously having no such flights occur. Then somehow the flight path must have been slightly altered, and the planes no longer fly directly over my house. I was lucky. So I did the human thing, which was to stop overly caring about the issue - it was "somebody else's problem" now, and there was nothing I could do anyway. But I'm glad to see it's become a public issue once more.

Here are the things I learned from back then:

1) Ultimately, no one cares about your plight, and certainly not the county of Sacramento and its officials. They are more likely to mock you than help you.

2) The landowners of S50 do NOT want the flight path changed from populated N50 to virtually unpopulated S50, even though S50 will not be developed for quite some time.

3) As far as I know, no one ever received any disclosures about Mather when buying homes here. That may change now that the issue is up front and center.

4) The two sides seem unable to identify the compromise solution that makes sense: i.e. simply ban cargo flights between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM, and heavily fine violators. If some packages take an extra day to make it to Sacramento, so be it - people will survive just fine.

5) As far as I know, none of the people who say they don't mind the planes, or even enjoy them, are the ones being woken up at 4:00 AM. Once it happens to you (regularly and forever), you suddenly understand the problem.

I think I understand the problem quite well and am sympathetic to those who have to deal with the problem.

However, if one knowingly bought a home under a flight path of an established airport, IMO its NOT the Airports fault for the choice the buyers made.

I thought all known nuisances were supposed to be disclosed to potential home buyers?

[SacKen]

I think I understand the problem quite well and am sympathetic to those who have to deal with the problem.

However, if one knowingly bought a home under a flight path of an established airport, IMO its NOT the Airports fault for the choice the buyers made.

I thought all known nuisances were supposed to be disclosed to potential home buyers?

I don't see it being any different than people that buy homes near other things, like public streets, that complain when traffic increases more than they were accustomed to dealing with. For example, the Historic District during the dam closure. Or a small road that expands to more lanes or a road with homes on it that has its speed limit increased. None of those things are the fault of the City, nor should they be cancelled just because they are near homes, but it still pisses you off when the usage changes from what you believed or were told it would be. It is still nice to work out a solution that doesn't totally stick it to the home owner.

A previous discussion about the inactive railroad running through town is another example. Yes, there are tracks that are considered active running through town that disclosures said could theoretically become live again. That said, I bet there would be a whole bunch of fighting if they decided to reactivate the lines and run a dozen freight trains through town each day. Fault of the railroad company? No. Worth a discussion and negotiation rather than letting the company go balls-out? Yes.

[Dude]

I meant that, most likely, none of the people who say they don't mind the planes are being woken up by the planes.

Oops... LOL

[Robert Giacometti]

I don't see it being any different than people that buy homes near other things, like public streets, that complain when traffic increases more than they were accustomed to dealing with. For example, the Historic District during the dam closure. Or a small road that expands to more lanes or a road with homes on it that has its speed limit increased. None of those things are the fault of the City, nor should they be cancelled just because they are near homes, but it still pisses you off when the usage changes from what you believed or were told it would be. It is still nice to work out a solution that doesn't totally stick it to the home owner.

A previous discussion about the inactive railroad running through town is another example. Yes, there are tracks that are considered active running through town that disclosures said could theoretically become live again. That said, I bet there would be a whole bunch of fighting if they decided to reactivate the lines and run a dozen freight trains through town each day. Fault of the railroad company? No. Worth a discussion and negotiation rather than letting the company go balls-out? Yes.

I completely agree about trying to work out solutions that make things a win/win for everyone.

In some instances, its going to very difficult to negotiate a workable solution for all concerend.

Regarding the Airport, lets be realistic we are talking about Sacramento and I don't think there is going to be 100's of cargo planes flying in and out of here everyday. Also remember these planes have to take Off and Land somewhere else, so its NOT just about what times we all want. The World doesn't revolve around us in Folsom, so that we can dictate Arrival/Departure times for other citys, simply for our preferences!

It really depends on WHO told you what the usage was going to be! If you take someones word about something without seeing any documents from a public agency, then shame on you! If You go to the agency and research everything, then you'll be getting the straigt answer. The problem is human nature being what it is typically doesn't do our best due dillegence and then we end up complaining afterwards about somethiung we really should have known about before hand.

If I bought next too some RR tracks and had somebody tell me don't worry they are never used, yet the city was planning on expansion who would that then be on?