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[rlsliger]

This is the fourth deadly head-on crash in Folsom in 2012.

Jan - three fatalities by DUI wrong-way driver on Highway 50 near the Folsom Blvd. off-ramp. (Driver that was killed was also a designated driver)

Feb - two fatalities Folsom Boulevard.

Jun - one fatality, three injured Blue Ravine Road.

Oct - two fatalities (one a designated driver)

Wasn't there another one in July at Blue Ravine and Natoma Station?

[ducky]

Wasn't there another one in July at Blue Ravine and Natoma Station?

Thanks. I forgot that one. It was more of a t-bone, but still had a tragic outcome.

[Steve Heard]

The Folsom police seem to like to hide out and watch for speeders, maybe the bridge would be a good place for them to do that. People are driving way too fast on there.

I often see cops parked on the left side of the road going away from East Natoma and motorcycle cops at the bottom at Folsom Blvd. They are out there.

If someone can't live with 35mph speeds than their life sucks and they should move to LA or back to the Bay Area to live closer to the speed ways they crave

I'm sick of speeders in this town, all these deaths prove there is a serious problem and I fault our city leaders for firing the engineers and laying off police and allowing unsafe speeds on our streets to occur!

Your remarks about people from the Bay Area is funny, because in the Bay Area, the freeways are so crowded you can't speed.

The long-time residents here blame the city slickers in their fancy cars and the newcomers blame the long time residents who are used to speeding down wide streets, and others blame soccer moms in a hurry to drop off kids and have their nails did.

Back when I was working on the 'Slow Down Folsom' campaign I'd met with city traffic folks and learned that people are more likely to speed when the streets are wider and there are fewer cars, such as Folsom Lake Crossing at 1230am, regardless of where they're from.

[1wlkr]

As for the driver, his name was withdrawn from the news reports, and I'd guess that might be because he hadn't been positively identified, but my daughter was told that a 19 year old that she went to middle and high school with had died in the crash.

She said he was an awesome guy. I looked up his Facebook and there were comments from friends saying they'll miss him.

Related to that, there are pictures on his Facebook of him and his buddies drinking and one with a picture of booze and weed saying 'Happy 420', and several photos of him flipping off the camera. None of this means that he was drunk or high, but it doesn't make him look like an awesome guy.

I feel so sorry for him, his family, the victim and his family, and everyone else who was touched by this tragedy.
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This young man was not involved in this accident. As to your comment that he does not look like an "awesome guy" because of his pictures on facebook, He made a really bad choice that night and he is no longer alive because if it. Does this make hime a bad person? No it means he made a really bad choice. My son did know this boy though they didn't hang out together he has seen him and gone to school with him. His parents are great people and it is so sad they are going through this. His dad was a coach to my son in Jr. Bulldogs and is a really good guy. His son was a good kid but as alot of teens do he fell into the wrong things. I want to make sure he is not drug into people thinking he was driving the car that killed this man. It is bad enough his parents are dealing with the loss of a child.

[Sue]

This young man was not involved in this accident. As to your comment that he does not look like an "awesome guy" because of his pictures on facebook, He made a really bad choice that night and he is no longer alive because if it. Does this make hime a bad person? No it means he made a really bad choice. My son did know this boy though they didn't hang out together he has seen him and gone to school with him. His parents are great people and it is so sad they are going through this. His dad was a coach to my son in Jr. Bulldogs and is a really good guy. His son was a good kid but as alot of teens do he fell into the wrong things. I want to make sure he is not drug into people thinking he was driving the car that killed this man. It is bad enough his parents are dealing with the loss of a child.
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Thank you for clarifying, there was a news report on Saturday that actually reported him as the driver. I was confused by the report and what I found out from my own kids. I know the family as well, they are wonderful people, and this is a very tragic event for them. My heart goes out to his parents and brother.

[Steve Heard]

This young man was not involved in this accident. As to your comment that he does not look like an "awesome guy" because of his pictures on facebook, He made a really bad choice that night and he is no longer alive because if it. Does this make hime a bad person? No it means he made a really bad choice. My son did know this boy though they didn't hang out together he has seen him and gone to school with him. His parents are great people and it is so sad they are going through this. His dad was a coach to my son in Jr. Bulldogs and is a really good guy. His son was a good kid but as alot of teens do he fell into the wrong things. I want to make sure he is not drug into people thinking he was driving the car that killed this man. It is bad enough his parents are dealing with the loss of a child.

I apologize if my comments seemed insensitive. They weren't meant to.

As a parent of two girls (19 and 24 years old), uncle and honorary uncle of many kids, and somewhat of a community activist, I've known many parents and kids who've had to deal with such tragedies.

Whenever I hear of one, I go to Facebook to see if they might be in my circle of friends and family or just out of curiosity. I am often surprised by what kids post about themselves on public sites. For example, the young man accused of shooting a tourist in SF had pictures of himself with assault rifles, a niece of mine whose brother was accused of gang crimes posted pictures of him and their friends wearing gang colors and tats and flashing signs, and the kid accused of driving under the influence had pictures of himself drinking and smoking. All of these made it hard for their lawyers, friends and family to defend them.

So, when looking at photos of the young man first identified as one of the drivers, I was bothered by his photos.

Knowing now that a different tragedy befell him, the photos are no less concerning, but at least we know he didn't take someone else's life.

If you like, I can remove all references on the site.

[1wlkr]

I apologize if my comments seemed insensitive. They weren't meant to.

As a parent of two girls (19 and 24 years old), uncle and honorary uncle of many kids, and somewhat of a community activist, I've known many parents and kids who've had to deal with such tragedies.

Whenever I hear of one, I go to Facebook to see if they might be in my circle of friends and family or just out of curiosity. I am often surprised by what kids post about themselves on public sites. For example, the young man accused of shooting a tourist in SF had pictures of himself with assault rifles, a niece of mine whose brother was accused of gang crimes posted pictures of him and their friends wearing gang colors and tats and flashing signs, and the kid accused of driving under the influence had pictures of himself drinking and smoking. All of these made it hard for their lawyers, friends and family to defend them.

So, when looking at photos of the young man first identified as one of the drivers, I was bothered by his photos.

Knowing now that a different tragedy befell him, the photos are no less concerning, but at least we know he didn't take someone else's life.

If you like, I can remove all references on the site.

Not needed I just felt it needed to be said that he was not involved with this accident. I do agree that young people really need to think before posting pictures. I have 2 teen boys and things like this make you want to keep them close and never out of your sight. That is not reality so you hope they listen to what you say and if they make a wrong turn or choice that they can learn from it and fix it. I feel so sorry for this family as he will never have that chance.

[Parizienne]

Someone posted that they know the man who was driving the BMW SUV, and that he was 49 and a nice person.

If people seem to know who this person was, why haven't they released the name yet? Maybe there will be some back story to help make sense of all this.

I assume the family members know or this information wouldn't be out there. Does the coroner have to "officially" confirm by dental records or something even if family, friends know what happened before the press can publish who this person was and any other relevant information? I really would like to understand what happened. Why was he going so fast? What caused such a violent explosion? Was it just DUI? I have four teens and three of them are driving. We live near that bridge. I want to understand what happened for myself and for my kids. Yes, it looks like DUI, but I still want to understand.

On a completely different note -- Does anyone know if there is a church the Schwartzes attend? If people want to donate money, that might be a place to start.

[mac_convert]

I am the one who stated the Honda driver was a teacher. I gathered that from the comments left. I'm sorry if I have spread misinformation.

Was the Honda driver a teacher or intel employee? It was noted above that he was a teacher...?

[Chris]

Chris, there have been a lot of of these "cross-over killer crashes" in this city with no City Engineer since Bob Blaser was fired. While Bob was in charge, the speed limits were reasonable, and all the medians were appropriate for safety.

Recently the city took control of Public Works Department away from a CA licensed civil engineer as well.

They put the Development Dept guy (with his Bachelor of arts) in charge of Public Works.

Long story short, there will continue to be more and more of these tragic crashes because licensed engineers are not employed by the city to protect us with all the required safety devices and structures. There is a decision to spend money on other things than proper medians and energy-absorbing barriers.

Sorry to say it, but this administration chooses NOT to have Licensed Engineers in charge of these matters.

What a horrific crash it was, with only small shards of metal left after the crash. It was all right next to an unprotected bike/walk lane as well. It is a killer decision to do without engineers.

Another tragedy for everyone. It will continue happening I fear.

Wow.....! I was not aware of any of this. Thanks for the information. When I first saw that road it seemed illogical that it did not have a divider. It's just common sense to put one there if new construction and as wide as it is... Plenty of room and not that more costly. Regards

[mac_convert]

I remember that being an elderly gentleman who had a medical problem and only he died, likely from what caused him to get in an accident in the first place.

Thanks. I forgot that one. It was more of a t-bone, but still had a tragic outcome.

[Chris]

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Fast performance car or not, with too many pushing 60-70 in regular cars and SUVs, a little more pedal would get you to 100+. The road is ok for the speed limit that allowed them to tap into the existing roadway easier but agree it is a bad curve.

The X5 twin turbo is 300hp and the larger 4.4 liter twin turbo engine is 400hp. Certainly plenty of power especially if impaired.

I think the 2010's got to 550 HP......... Which is a heck of a lot and will get you moving quickly. Plus, with twin turbo's it's gonna want to keep on going at high speed and rpm.... And yes it is a bad curve, it's flat for sure with no bank. I'd be willing to guess it has negative bank in that area of 1-3 degrees which does not help.
I'd like to see some of our tax money go for a concrete divider for that whole road instead of cutting all or our curbs up in town to put ramps just so one lawsuit happy guy, with his wife on his lap, can get around town in a an electric powerchair..... But I guess that story is for another thread. Regards, Chris

2010 BMW X5 Performance Features
-Turbo compressor
-Engine: 4.4L V 8 double overhead cam with VVT ( 9.3 :1 compression ratio ; four valves per cylinder)
-Fuel: premium unleaded ( 91 octane)
-Fuel consumption: city= 12 (mpg); highway= 17 (mpg); combined= 14 (mpg); vehicle range: 315 miles
-Gasoline direct injection fuel system
-22.5 gallon main premium unleaded fuel tank 18.7
-Power: 555 HP ( 414 kW) @ 6,000 rpm; 500 ft lb of torque ( 678 Nm) @ 1,500 rpm

[Parizienne]

I tried to post this earlier. Hopefully this isn't a duplicate. If it is, not intentional.

Isn't the property that Folsom Lake Crossing was constructed on state or federally owned?
The City of Folsom may have had nothing to do with engineering and building it.