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[Robert Giacometti]

I respectfully disagree and don't see anyone benefitting in any way. I suggest that you being part of the side that is doing the bashing cannot see it.

I'd like to see some specific attacking posts which were left up by Liberals. I've already given you a list of some of Maxine's. If you have some similar from the left, please do post them.

In the mean time, with a 31 to 7 coservative to liberal-generated posts, with most moderators being conservative, and as you've stated, this being a conservative town, I stand by the the assertation that this forum has a conservative, rather than liberal bias.

Lets starts with Mikes post at the top of this page. Mike is attacking someone, being condescending and being negative, yet you said something like he hit the nail on the head. Your response pretty much says that its OK to attack and be negative as long as its directed against somebody you don't like. If this post was from Maxine directed at President Obama, you'd be using that as an example as being negative, but whens its directed at someone else, its OK.

Mikes post above is coming out of left field and should have been deleted because their isn't anything of value in it. ( except for the sentence about not needing Mods). Yet because you thinks its directed at someone you don't like, you think its OK!

Lets look at Vinnys last post.

"The end of America" - Hah! What a joke!

Rule # 2...NO Baiting. Yet Vinnys post is allowed to stay. Its these comments that escalate things!

Another example is CW's comments about the "whiny minority". Does " Whiny" really need to be included in this? Whiny is name calling, but allowed to remain.

How about the bashing of older white guys that was going around on this forum? I had 2 men ask me, why would I stay on this forum when hate like this was being spread. One guy said he was embarrassed that we had people living in our community who were saying these things.

My point is really simple, if Maxine is going to get kicked off, then baiting, name calling and nasty things that others are saying need to be addressed as well. Since they aren't it sure gives the appearance of a double standard and many conservatives in this community see this.

You can argue whatever point you want with yourself, but in the meantime, I'm telling you why so many are staying away from this forum. You can keep arguing all you want, but that aint going to bring people back!

[Chris]

Don't worry about the warning points. It's an artifact of the software, it doesn't mean anything. It was supposed to be used as a means to keep tabs of really large user bases... Since our group is small, it's not really needed. Some have used it sporadically but the software isn't configured to do anything with it anyway.

So I don't win a prize....? I thought with 5 points I would at least get a plastic dinosaur or a spider ring.....! Chris

[Judge Smails]

Come on Robert, you have to admit Maxine's posts were over the top.

[FDNY343]

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart

MaxineR's suspension is absurd. It flys in the face of everything sacred about free speech which I thought John supported here but it seems that liberty is not recognized here. I have followed her posts and I agree with almost all if not all of them. It is overly apperant that this board and especially the political forums are rampant with liberal hyperbole to the point I can't find the words to argue with the rhetoric. If John's goal is to censor and force those from the forum that don't fit the liberal narrative then job well done. I like Chris will stop visiting this forum. I was accused of being thin skinned by supermom because I complained about another forum moderator and his bigoted responses. It seems that it would do many here to take that advise. This really is a measure of what is going on in this country and the failure of obama and his "unite the country" diatribe that never happened and actually has accomplished the opposite. If critisizing obama is criteria for getting booted then boot me now... otherwise get used to 4 years of pointing out the obvious. It's interesting to see some of the posts here on MaxineR being suspended. It is the type of responses by folsombound, judgesmails, lisainfolsom, mikeinfolsom...on and on that elicite the type of responses that MaxineR gave. If you are going to dish it out learn how to take it too. So if this is my last post then good luck, y'all have a cozy little private chat room otherwise, see you on the next political forum.

Come on Robert, you have to admit Maxine's posts were over the top.

I've seen your posts, here and on other sites... You my friend need to practice what you are preaching... just sayin'

[Stop South of 50]

Lets starts with Mikes post at the top of this page. Mike is attacking someone, being condescending and being negative, yet you said something like he hit the nail on the head. Your response pretty much says that its OK to attack and be negative as long as its directed against somebody you don't like. If this post was from Maxine directed at President Obama, you'd be using that as an example as being negative, but whens its directed at someone else, its OK.

Mikes post above is coming out of left field and should have been deleted because their isn't anything of value in it. ( except for the sentence about not needing Mods). Yet because you thinks its directed at someone you don't like, you think its OK!

Lets look at Vinnys last post.

"The end of America" - Hah! What a joke!

Rule # 2...NO Baiting. Yet Vinnys post is allowed to stay. Its these comments that escalate things!

Another example is CW's comments about the "whiny minority". Does " Whiny" really need to be included in this? Whiny is name calling, but allowed to remain.

How about the bashing of older white guys that was going around on this forum? I had 2 men ask me, why would I stay on this forum when hate like this was being spread. One guy said he was embarrassed that we had people living in our community who were saying these things.

My point is really simple, if Maxine is going to get kicked off, then baiting, name calling and nasty things that others are saying need to be addressed as well. Since they aren't it sure gives the appearance of a double standard and many conservatives in this community see this.

You can argue whatever point you want with yourself, but in the meantime, I'm telling you why so many are staying away from this forum. You can keep arguing all you want, but that aint going to bring people back!

Bravo!

I find it funny that when a bating comment smacks Steve right in the face he comments, "You hit the nail right on the head". Then he goes out and finds examples of Maxine's over the top comments, but seems to avoid those by Vinny and the Judge. Can you say hypocricy? Steve can't, because their commentary goes along with his ideological thinking. Hell, some of F500s comments teeter on the edge, and he is a moderator!

I also find it amusing that those who have been around here for quite some time have conveniently "forgotton" the topic after topic about Bush. Again, hypocircy. And don't say those weren't over the top, because those went well beyond any decency as well.

John, the only way you are going to get a forum that deals only with the city of Folsom is to get rid of the politics section. Then this issue will disappear. Poof. Gone. Sure, you may initially lose some contributors, but if those that left are because of the politics section are still out there, then they'll be back.

[Robert Giacometti]

Come on Robert, you have to admit Maxine's posts were over the top.

There are things she said I don't agree with and some things she posted I wish she wouldn't have posted.

Like many in this country there is a lot of frustration and unhappiness about the way things are going. IMO, Maxine is one of those who feel very passionate about their beliefs and experiences in life. Being a business owner and having employees sometimes compells one to deal with all kinds BS, that most people who are employees don't have to deal with or can't understand since they aren't in their shoes. None of us, probably really knows that much about each other and why we are who we are or why we have the feelings we do.

The irony in this is Maxine probably respects that its Johns right to run his forum they way he chooses, like most conservatives do. The issue that the conservatives are trying to raise is lets enforce the rules equally to all.

You may not have been around when Bush won relection, but the hate and rhetoric was off the charts around here during that time. Lots of it was being generated by those who are now claiming to be wanting things to calmer and nicer to each other.

In my heart of hearts, if I thought Maxine was getting herself too far over out of bounds, I would have said something to her about it. I see others making posts and comments that I think are over the top coming from the other side, but there is no way I'd want them kicked out of here without some kind of warning. Even then, I'd miss seeing them on here.

As a conservative, being bashed for everything from being white to being a male these last 2 months and then having a conservative kicked off without any warning, doesn't create a very warm fuzzy feeling about things. Part of me just says the hell with it and its time for me to leave, because I really don't want to associate with people who think they have the right to attack Bush relentlessly, but not give that right to others, judge me because of my skin color or gender and then censor those who say things in tones they don't like. Basically, conservatives are being told and shown, they don't matter on this forum with this.

There are 1000's of others in this community who feel somewhat the same about this!

[Steve Heard]

Lets starts with Mikes post at the top of this page. Mike is attacking someone, being condescending and being negative, yet you said something like he hit the nail on the head. Your response pretty much says that its OK to attack and be negative as long as its directed against somebody you don't like. If this post was from Maxine directed at President Obama, you'd be using that as an example as being negative, but whens its directed at someone else, its OK.

Mikes post above is coming out of left field and should have been deleted because their isn't anything of value in it. ( except for the sentence about not needing Mods). Yet because you thinks its directed at someone you don't like, you think its OK!

You can argue whatever point you want with yourself, but in the meantime, I'm telling you why so many are staying away from this forum. You can keep arguing all you want, but that aint going to bring people back!

Are you really being sincere? Mike, a conservative, didn't attack anyone. He said, in response to people discussing moderators "It's too bad you even need moderators. There are some people on here who are relentless in badgering people into believing their way is the only way, and if you don't agree, well then get the guns ablazing. If I only had a penny for every time certain people post the same messages over and over just to get reactions from others on the forum, I'd be a wealthy man. Almost as if they need to run and re-run the topics into the ground. Some people just really don't get what a forum is for, I guess?"

Where's the personal attack? He didn't name anyone, didn't mention liberal or conservative. He was lamenting the fact that we need moderators because people get out of hand, and that's a personal attack?

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart

MaxineR's suspension is absurd. It flys in the face of everything sacred about free speech which I thought John supported here but it seems that liberty is not recognized here. I have followed her posts and I agree with almost all if not all of them. It is overly apperant that this board and especially the political forums are rampant with liberal hyperbole to the point I can't find the words to argue with the rhetoric. If John's goal is to censor and force those from the forum that don't fit the liberal narrative then job well done. I like Chris will stop visiting this forum. I was accused of being thin skinned by supermom because I complained about another forum moderator and his bigoted responses. It seems that it would do many here to take that advise. This really is a measure of what is going on in this country and the failure of obama and his "unite the country" diatribe that never happened and actually has accomplished the opposite. If critisizing obama is criteria for getting booted then boot me now... otherwise get used to 4 years of pointing out the obvious. It's interesting to see some of the posts here on MaxineR being suspended. It is the type of responses by folsombound, judgesmails, lisainfolsom, mikeinfolsom...on and on that elicite the type of responses that MaxineR gave. If you are going to dish it out learn how to take it too. So if this is my last post then good luck, y'all have a cozy little private chat room otherwise, see you on the next political forum.

Maxine's posts fly in the face of decency and truth. Here relentless posts against and about black people are dishonest and disgusting, yet I can't remember deleting any of them.

As for the forum fitting the liberal narrative, think again. As mentioned, if you take a look at the political topics, 31 out of 38 were started by conservatives, and most of our frequent posters are conservative.

There are things she said I don't agree with and some things she posted I wish she wouldn't have posted.

As a conservative, being bashed for everything from being white to being a male these last 2 months and then having a conservative kicked off without any warning, doesn't create a very warm fuzzy feeling about things. Part of me just says the hell with it and its time for me to leave, because I really don't want to associate with people who think they have the right to attack Bush relentlessly, but not give that right to others, judge me because of my skin color or gender and then censor those who say things in tones they don't like. Basically, conservatives are being told and shown, they don't matter on this forum with this.

There have been liberals kicked off the forum as well, but I didn't see or hear a peep out of you when they were.

As for being judged by your skin color, welcome to the club. It's not right, but it happens every day.

[apeman45]

I used to post liberal views but got tired of being attacked by the overwhelmingly conservative bias on this site. Some of it was mean and offensive and I found it amusing at first but eventually the negativity kept me away from the drama. There are a lot more liberals here that don't bother posting here for the same reason. I find it pretty funny how defensive some get when you question their opinions. I have trouble avoiding the conservative bias on talk shows and TV and the internet on a daily basis. Pretty simple solution really. I turn it off. If I want to interact with people with the same opinion as me then I'll stick to my wacky environmental blogs. I don't know of a single local liberal leaning radio program to listen to. Where is this liberal media?

Why is this such a big deal? I know - the constitution and all that. Well this is a private site and this is America so deal with it.

I thank the moderators for attempting to keep things civil. Keep up the good work. And this goes for keeping those outspoken libs in line as well.

I love this site for keeping up with local happenings.

[nomad]

I used to post liberal views but got tired of being attacked by the overwhelmingly conservative bias on this site. Some of it was mean and offensive and I found it amusing at first but eventually the negativity kept me away from the drama. There are a lot more liberals here that don't bother posting here for the same reason. I find it pretty funny how defensive some get when you question their opinions. I have trouble avoiding the conservative bias on talk shows and TV and the internet on a daily basis. Pretty simple solution really. I turn it off. If I want to interact with people with the same opinion as me then I'll stick to my wacky environmental blogs. I don't know of a single local liberal leaning radio program to listen to. Where is this liberal media?

Why is this such a big deal? I know - the constitution and all that. Well this is a private site and this is America so deal with it.

I thank the moderators for attempting to keep things civil. Keep up the good work. And this goes for keeping those outspoken libs in line as well.

I love this site for keeping up with local happenings.

You're kidding about this statement aren't you?

[FDNY343]

Are you really being sincere? Mike, a conservative, didn't attack anyone. He said, in response to people discussing moderators "It's too bad you even need moderators. There are some people on here who are relentless in badgering people into believing their way is the only way, and if you don't agree, well then get the guns ablazing. If I only had a penny for every time certain people post the same messages over and over just to get reactions from others on the forum, I'd be a wealthy man. Almost as if they need to run and re-run the topics into the ground. Some people just really don't get what a forum is for, I guess?"

Where's the personal attack? He didn't name anyone, didn't mention liberal or conservative. He was lamenting the fact that we need moderators because people get out of hand, and that's a personal attack?



Maxine's posts fly in the face of decency and truth. Here relentless posts against and about black people are dishonest and disgusting, yet I can't remember deleting any of them.

As for the forum fitting the liberal narrative, think again. As mentioned, if you take a look at the political topics, 31 out of 38 were started by conservatives, and most of our frequent posters are conservative.


There have been liberals kicked off the forum as well, but I didn't see or hear a peep out of you when they were.

As for being judged by your skin color, welcome to the club. It's not right, but it happens every day.

Steve, Please provide examples of her posts that demeaned black people? I'm not asking for the purpose of agitating you but true understanding on what you find offensive. As for those "liberals" that have been kicked off the board, if I knew about it and it was unjust as I see what happened to MaxineR then my comments would be the same. I may not agree with or understand democrats/liberals points of view but it doesn't mean they don't have a place on this board.
I don't agree with getting rid of the political forums either, it's like a tv show or radio program that you don't like .... don't tune in. There are plenty of other topics on this site that are non-political and plenty of discussion to go with it without controversy.

[apeman45]

No I'm totally serious. I am exposed to far more conservative media than liberal media. From the election results it's obvious that this doesn't mean there are more conservatives. Just that conservatives tend to be more outspoken.

[FDNY343]

No I'm totally serious. I am exposed to far more conservative media than liberal media. From the election results it's obvious that this doesn't mean there are more conservatives. Just that conservatives tend to be more outspoken.

I would be interested in knowing what you watch or listen to? I feel that other than fox news cable or fox radio, kfbk (locally) for conservative biased news the rest are liberal biased news, cnn, msnbc, abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, hnn, bbc, probably missed some....

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

I'd love to see this thread moved to the politics section. JOWO.

[nomad]

I would be interested in knowing what you watch or listen to? I feel that other than fox news cable or fox radio, kfbk (locally) for conservative biased news the rest are liberal biased news, cnn, msnbc, abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, hnn, bbc, probably missed some....

Exactly.

[The Average Joe]

I think where people get off track is when they attack the messenger, not the message. I know I have been called a whole host of names, but seldom am engaged by those refuting my ideas, as apparently, few have the time, inclination or data to do so. I know there are a tremendous amount of "talking point" posts, and I ignore those unless I happen to be in just the right mood. If you have a position, make the case and spare us all the hyperbole.

While I was 180 degrees from FFG ideologically, at least he could make a cogent argument.

As for conservative vs liberal, the posts are mixed, just as the populace is. When there is a conservative in power, the hate flows toward him, when a liberal, the opposite happens. As a libertarian leaning observer, if you cannot see that our country is going through some serious upheaval due to the direction half the country has chosen (a direction vehemently opposed by the opther half), then you are not paying attention.

Of course people are passionate about their politics. The results will be long lasting and will forever alter the course of the nation (and world).

It's pretty basic. If you don't like politics, don't go to that forum. If you like politics, but don't like certain posters, set them to ignore. If you can't play nice and articulate your point without getting personal, don't post. Simple stuff...