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[Judge Smails]

Shame on those of you of you who are bringing politics into this tragedy!

[Priscilla]

Sooooo.... Handguns need to be outlawed? Sounds like a pipe dream.

No I didnt say that but there needs to be changes. The Bushmill ,An AR-15-type rifle used and guns as such needs to be outlawed. What reason should one have a rifle? For a sport? Tell that to to 26 dead people

[Priscilla]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Folks - rifles are not just for hunting. It's a peoples defense against the tyrannny of government. If you believe in this country, believe in our form of government,believe that the Constitution was not random musings but based on the experiences and foresight of intelligent people, please don't forget the 2nd Amendment when considering your emotional responses to this tragedy.

Im calling BS.....If laws do not change after this massacre-they never will. Goodbye sweet america

[chris v]

No I didnt say that but there needs to be changes. The Bushmill ,An AR-15-type rifle used and guns as such needs to be outlawed. What reason should one have a rifle? For a sport? Tell that to to 26 dead people

Every report I've read said that he was using handguns and that the rifle was left in the car. And why is the answer to ban them. You do understand that guns will still be there for the people that really really want them. I could build a gun from scratch very easily if I had to. I have access to machines and the skills to using them to fabricate an entire gun. There is no point whatsoever to ban guns.

[tsukiji]

Im calling BS.....It laws do not change after this massacre-they never will. Goodbye sweet america

That's fine. Try living in Syria, China or any country without a 2nd Amendment. Americans have grown soft - no idea what it's like to fight for freedom.

[Priscilla]

Ummm. Wrong. Try Mexico. Try most north African countries. Some of them have massacres in the hundreds of thousands. Try any country with ethnic cleansing.The article you linked provided no evidence of any other country. While we do have more guns per capita, and our gun murder rate is higher than say, the Swiss, most reports leave out all the third world countries and those with military oppression. Does Israel have more mass killings? Sure, rockets, bombs and Hamas operatives frequently kill dozens. How many have been killed by those citizens using "government" guns in Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. How about Columbia, Mexico, or Venezuela?
And Priscilla, really? That's your thoughtful solution to a complex issue. Very persuasive

Something needs to change-asap. What is your suggestion? Leave gun laws the way they are and see more innocent children die? REALLY? I dont have the answer but this needs to change now. Im sick and tired of being sick and tired.

[Priscilla]

Every report I've read said that he was using handguns and that the rifle was left in the car. And why is the answer to ban them. You do understand that guns will still be there for the people that really really want them. I could build a gun from scratch very easily if I had to. I have access to machines and the skills to using them to fabricate an entire gun. There is no point whatsoever to ban guns.

Why not? Things clearly are not working this way.....

That's fine. Try living in Syria, China or any country without a 2nd Amendment. Americans have grown soft - no idea what it's like to fight for freedom.

So if your kids were killed with a Rifle you would be ok leaving the law the way it stands? Im not soft just real.

[4thgenFolsomite]

Every report I've read said that he was using handguns and that the rifle was left in the car. And why is the answer to ban them. You do understand that guns will still be there for the people that really really want them. I could build a gun from scratch very easily if I had to. I have access to machines and the skills to using them to fabricate an entire gun. There is no point whatsoever to ban guns.

not that it matters, but the police are saying the victims were killed with the rifle. but who knows......not us yet.

[tsukiji]

Why not? Things clearly are not working this way.....



So if your kids were killed with a Rifle you would be ok leaving the law the way it stands? Im not soft just real.

Yes. Just like I don't call for a ban on SUVs, cell phones and other tools.

I'm out. Been through these types of debates before. Decisions based on emotion are usually not rational and forward looking, they are by nature reactive.

[4thgenFolsomite]

turns out the shooting in Clackamas might have been shortened by the shooter being confronted by a conceal carry.

http://www.kgw.com/n...-183593571.html

[flattire]

Why do you libs constantly blame inanimate objects instead of blaming the shooter???

This wasn't in any sense a political debate until you jumped in. Show some damn respect, many people are dead and this is no time to turn this horrible event into a political argument.

[supermom]

The very nature of this tragedy creates a political fervor. Particularly in light of so many politicians recently encouraging Nato ban on weapons, assault bans, and right to carry open bans.

Frankly, you have no business telling someone what their level of respect is when it comes to their response to hearing about two classrooms of 1st graders being slaughtered by a effing mental psycho.

Watch your tone with people. You have no business telling people how to handle their own brand of grief and shock on these types of horrific events

[supermom]

This is Victoria. She died a hero today. She hid her first graders in the cabinets and closets after hearing the gunfire. When the shooter came to her classroom, she told him that her students were in the gym. He then gunned her down and moved on. She saved the lives of all of her students.

[flattire]

The very nature of this tragedy creates a political fervor. Particularly in light of so many politicians recently encouraging Nato ban on weapons, assault bans, and right to carry open bans.

Frankly, you have no business telling someone what their level of respect is when it comes to their response to hearing about two classrooms of 1st graders being slaughtered by a effing mental psycho.

Watch your tone with people. You have no business telling people how to handle their own brand of grief and shock on these types of horrific events

No, it doesn't. This thread was purely for obtaining and relating facts, with some speculation as to the motives of the killer. It didn't need to turn into another way for the dude to call out "the libs". Innocent people are dead and yet this turns into another political debate. If this tragedy occurred to you or someone you knew, forbid that should ever happen, I'm fairly certain you would want people to focus on the memory of your children, not whether liberals were arguing about gun control.
Do not tell me what to do. I wasn't telling anyone how to handle anything. I think these victims deserve more respect than someone whose only interest is turning every thread into a rant on how the liberals of this country are ruining America. Finally, I doubt the statement I was responding to was written out of grief, give me a freakin' break. I feel sad for anyone who expresses their grief by blaming people completely unrelated to the issue.

[supermom]

flat tire I wasn't addressing you. and as for the name calling "libtard" crap- I agree with you. It is old.
But I also believe when such a horrendous crime not just against those children's families- but effectively against America, does happen, it is a natural response for people to question why, and how it can be prevented. Or how the out come could have been changed. No one is taking away from those families. And shame on anyone who thinks that calling out for a change in policy to protect children is somehow disrespecting those families. Get a freaking grip on reality. And yes. Is i had lost my children and reeling with grief, I would only hope that someone would stand in my stead and find the answers that i would so desperately cling to, later on.