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[Judge Smails]

That comment was in reference to our resident hater Judge Smalls, he made the one and only comment wishing for injuries on the Seahawk's player Richard Sherman. He got his wish too so he should be wallowing in his injury wishing happiness right about now.

Too bad he didn't suffer a mouth injury. Yes, I am wallowing in my injury wishing happiness!

[SacKen]

 

Guess you missed the commentary from your guy Kaep (almost 2 weeks after he threw 2 picks and had a fumble in the 4th Qtr of the NFC championship game) about how all he had to do was "throw the ball 6 inches higher and Sherman would have been the GOAT" or how "Seattle defense has a lot of holes in it.." except HE obviously couldn't find them! LOL..

 

They all trash talk, saying one is "silent" compared to another is yet another typical sign of the 49er fans refusing to accept that they got beat fair and square and they make excuses for "their guys" and pick and choose the "bad" guys who whooped up on them.

 

Have you ever played a team sport? If so, you would understand the difference between typical "trash talk" and celebrations and what Sherman does.  Lots of players talk trash. Hell, Crabtree and Boldin are known to jabber a lot on the field.  But there's a subtle difference between that and what Sherman does that is hard to explain if you've never experienced it.  It is similar to how there is a subtle difference between friends giving each other crap and someone being a bully.  Even the way he went up to Crabtree after that big NFC Championship play (and other players after games).  It appears as if he's just saying "good game", but when it's done in a certain way, it comes off as taunting/salt in the wound/rubbing it in your face.  That difference is subtle much like how tone of voice or slight facial expression can totally change the interpretation of words coming out of a person's mouth , as evident on MyFolsom on occasion when someone tries to be funny or sarcastic and it is taken the wrong way, but you know it if you've ever been in that situation, giving or receiving.

 

There's a reason why players around the league dislike Sherman and why he's received so much attention for his behavior in his short time in the league.  It's not just this one incident. If you follow the NFL, his behavior toward others has been discussed way before the Crabtree incident.

[nomad]

 

Have you ever played a team sport? If so, you would understand the difference between typical "trash talk" and celebrations and what Sherman does.  Lots of players talk trash. Hell, Crabtree and Boldin are known to jabber a lot on the field.  But there's a subtle difference between that and what Sherman does that is hard to explain if you've never experienced it.  It is similar to how there is a subtle difference between friends giving each other crap and someone being a bully.  Even the way he went up to Crabtree after that big NFC Championship play (and other players after games).  It appears as if he's just saying "good game", but when it's done in a certain way, it comes off as taunting/salt in the wound/rubbing it in your face.  That difference is subtle much like how tone of voice or slight facial expression can totally change the interpretation of words coming out of a person's mouth , as evident on MyFolsom on occasion when someone tries to be funny or sarcastic and it is taken the wrong way, but you know it if you've ever been in that situation, giving or receiving.

 

There's a reason why players around the league dislike Sherman and why he's received so much attention for his behavior in his short time in the league.  It's not just this one incident. If you follow the NFL, his behavior toward others has been discussed way before the Crabtree incident.

Where's this list of players that dislike him, other than the 49ers (who got owned by him and have their fair share of thugs and punks too). And this list of his other offenses? I hardly heard of the guy until this season and it's been for his tough play not all this garbage you mention with no proof!

[Steve Heard]

Where's this list of players that dislike him, other than the 49ers (who got owned by him and have their fair share of thugs and punks too). And this list of his other offenses? I hardly heard of the guy until this season and it's been for his tough play not all this garbage you mention with no proof!

 

That's the thing right there. So many who don't know much about Richard Sherman want to dismiss what he's done and what he's doing as 'normal' and acceptable, with many accusing his detractors of making something of nothing, or just being angry because the 49ers lost.

 

Here's the list you requested: 

 

Tom Brady - He talked so much trash during their game that Sherman claims Brady replied, 'Come see me after we win'. The Seahawks won and Sherman did come to see him, following him as he made his way to the locker room, talking all the while, then posted a picture of him doing so online with the caption, 'You mad bro?'

 

Trent Williams - He so angered Williams that when he approached him after the game and said, 'What you gonna do, boy?", Williams warned him that he was going to punch him in the face, then did.

 

Derrelle Revis - He started an insult feud via twitter because Skip Bayless called Revis the best corner in the league.  

 

Skip Bayless - Then, during an interview with Bayless, when he was asked if he was better than Revis, he said, "I'm the top of my field. I'm All-Pro. I'm one of the best 22 players in the NFL. ... I don't think you're the best 22 anything. In sports. In media. In anything. I think you think more of yourself than you actually can prove. I'll put it like this. In my 24 years of life, I'm better at life than you."

 

Trash talk does happen all game long, on the field. Sometimes it spills over. What Richard Sherman is doing is gaining notoriety more for being a jerk than a football player. 

 

Warren Sapp said that he never wanted to be 'mic'd up' during the game. He wanted to protect his image and didn't want people to hear what he and other players were saying.

 

Jim Brown said he never talked trash because he let his plays do the talking. 

 

In my opinion, Richard Sherman, and educated, hard-working, young man, has an opportunity to dispel racial stereotypes and be an example for youth, particularly black youth who are in desperate need of leadership. Instead, he's only gotten worse in living down to those stereotypes. 

[Homer]

 

That's the thing right there. So many who don't know much about Richard Sherman want to dismiss what he's done and what he's doing as 'normal' and acceptable, with many accusing his detractors of making something of nothing, or just being angry because the 49ers lost.

 

Here's the list you requested: 

 

Tom Brady - He talked so much trash during their game that Sherman claims Brady replied, 'Come see me after we win'. The Seahawks won and Sherman did come to see him, following him as he made his way to the locker room, talking all the while, then posted a picture of him doing so online with the caption, 'You mad bro?'

 

Trent Williams - He so angered Williams that when he approached him after the game and said, 'What you gonna do, boy?", Williams warned him that he was going to punch him in the face, then did.

 

Derrelle Revis - He started an insult feud via twitter because Skip Bayless called Revis the best corner in the league.  

 

Skip Bayless - Then, during an interview with Bayless, when he was asked if he was better than Revis, he said, "I'm the top of my field. I'm All-Pro. I'm one of the best 22 players in the NFL. ... I don't think you're the best 22 anything. In sports. In media. In anything. I think you think more of yourself than you actually can prove. I'll put it like this. In my 24 years of life, I'm better at life than you."

 

Trash talk does happen all game long, on the field. Sometimes it spills over. What Richard Sherman is doing is gaining notoriety more for being a jerk than a football player. 

 

Warren Sapp said that he never wanted to be 'mic'd up' during the game. He wanted to protect his image and didn't want people to hear what he and other players were saying.

 

Jim Brown said he never talked trash because he let his plays do the talking. 

 

In my opinion, Richard Sherman, and educated, hard-working, young man, has an opportunity to dispel racial stereotypes and be an example for youth, particularly black youth who are in desperate need of leadership. Instead, he's only gotten worse in living down to those stereotypes. 

 

 

 

As someone who doesn't follow football much until the Super bowl,   I would not have known that Sherman was an educated, hard-working young man after seeing the post game temper tantrum he threw. Apparently Sherman's role models seem to be 15 year old gangbangers. 

[nomad]

 

That's the thing right there. So many who don't know much about Richard Sherman want to dismiss what he's done and what he's doing as 'normal' and acceptable, with many accusing his detractors of making something of nothing, or just being angry because the 49ers lost.

 

Here's the list you requested: 

 

Tom Brady - He talked so much trash during their game that Sherman claims Brady replied, 'Come see me after we win'. The Seahawks won and Sherman did come to see him, following him as he made his way to the locker room, talking all the while, then posted a picture of him doing so online with the caption, 'You mad bro?'

 

Trent Williams - He so angered Williams that when he approached him after the game and said, 'What you gonna do, boy?", Williams warned him that he was going to punch him in the face, then did.

 

Derrelle Revis - He started an insult feud via twitter because Skip Bayless called Revis the best corner in the league.  

 

Skip Bayless - Then, during an interview with Bayless, when he was asked if he was better than Revis, he said, "I'm the top of my field. I'm All-Pro. I'm one of the best 22 players in the NFL. ... I don't think you're the best 22 anything. In sports. In media. In anything. I think you think more of yourself than you actually can prove. I'll put it like this. In my 24 years of life, I'm better at life than you."

 

Trash talk does happen all game long, on the field. Sometimes it spills over. What Richard Sherman is doing is gaining notoriety more for being a jerk than a football player. 

 

Warren Sapp said that he never wanted to be 'mic'd up' during the game. He wanted to protect his image and didn't want people to hear what he and other players were saying.

 

Jim Brown said he never talked trash because he let his plays do the talking. 

 

In my opinion, Richard Sherman, and educated, hard-working, young man, has an opportunity to dispel racial stereotypes and be an example for youth, particularly black youth who are in desperate need of leadership. Instead, he's only gotten worse in living down to those stereotypes. 

 

Warren Sapp? Really? Did you miss his comments on Strahan? I think all of your examples have holes in them but it's really no use taking this any furthur.

 

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[4thgenFolsomite]

I have been seeing people commenting that this year it should have been called the Super Bowel, for obvious reasons. 

[Steve Heard]

 

Warren Sapp? Really? Did you miss his comments on Strahan? I think all of your examples have holes in them but it's really no use taking this any furthur.

 

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All of those examples I cite, and your issue is that Warren Sapp criticized Michael Strahan's Hall of Fame credentials?

 

He didn't ridicule or mock him, and he claims to have begged forgiveness for being critical. 

 

There is nothing wrong with being critical and comparing careers, and Sapp is paid for his commentary.

 

I'm glad to discuss further if you like, as I think the issue is bigger than Richard Sherman and Warren Sapp.

 

Sherman's not the first nor will he be the last, and I think he has an obligation to set an example as a leader, as others will mimic his behavior. 

[nomad]

 

All of those examples I cite, and your issue is that Warren Sapp criticized Michael Strahan's Hall of Fame credentials?

 

He didn't ridicule or mock him, and he claims to have begged forgiveness for being critical. 

 

There is nothing wrong with being critical and comparing careers, and Sapp is paid for his commentary.

 

I'm glad to discuss further if you like, as I think the issue is bigger than Richard Sherman and Warren Sapp.

 

Sherman's not the first nor will he be the last, and I think he has an obligation to set an example as a leader, as others will mimic his behavior. 

 

 

He didn't ridicule or mock him (Um, yes he did), and he claims to have begged forgiveness for being critical (so did Sherman BTW)

 

...There is nothing wrong with being critical and comparing careers (this is what they are all doing!)

 

You have some conflicting reasoning here. Time to drop this!

[Steve Heard]

 

 

He didn't ridicule or mock him (Um, yes he did), and he claims to have begged forgiveness for being critical (so did Sherman BTW)

 

...There is nothing wrong with being critical and comparing careers (this is what they are all doing!)

 

You have some conflicting reasoning here. Time to drop this!

 

Yes, it does appear we'll have to agree to disagree. 

[cw68]

 
 
 
As someone who doesn't follow football much until the Super bowl,   I would not have known that Sherman was an educated, hard-working young man after seeing the post game temper tantrum he threw. Apparently Sherman's role models seem to be 15 year old gangbangers. 

Right. That's why he finished second in his high school class, held very high GPAs there and while at Stanford, enrolled in Stanford for post-graduate work, gives back in his community and such. He was emulating his 15-yr old gangbangers.

This whole thing has racism written all over it.

Even you, Steve. As a black man he's supposed to do more. You mentioned that he's reinforced stereotypes. What, the stereotype that black athletes from Compton usually are their school's salutatorian, go to Stanford and do well and choose to do post-graduate work? You're letting his smack talk be a black thing instead of a stupid thing. IMO, he's still very much a role model. Maybe a role model who should learn some modesty, but that's not just a black thing.

Would a white athlete be held to the same standards, ripped in the same manner or assumed by so many to be just another thug? Definitely not.

Besides, he's right about Skip Bayless.

[4thgenFolsomite]

You don't think so?  If a white guy got all full of bravado like he did in some woman's face, he would have been taken to task for sure!  that wasn't about race, it was about grace.

[cw68]

You don't think so?  If a white guy got all full of bravado like he did in some woman's face, he would have been taken to task for sure!  that wasn't about race, it was about grace.

Taken to task? Yes. Told that he's just a thug with 15-yr old gangbangers as role models? No.

[Steve Heard]

As someone who doesn't follow football much until the Super bowl,   I would not have known that Sherman was an educated, hard-working young man after seeing the post game temper tantrum he threw. Apparently Sherman's role models seem to be 15 year old gangbangers. 

 

This is precisely what I'm talking about. You are not alone. You are among millions. I can't blame you for your reaction, because you only know what he showed you, and when you've seen that behavior before, it hasn't been a reflection of what educated, hard-working young men are expected to be like. 

 

Right. That's why he finished second in his high school class, held very high GPAs there and while at Stanford, enrolled in Stanford for post-graduate work, gives back in his community and such. He was emulating his 15-yr old gangbangers.

This whole thing has racism written all over it.

Even you, Steve. As a black man he's supposed to do more. You mentioned that he's reinforced stereotypes. What, the stereotype that black athletes from Compton usually are their school's salutatorian, go to Stanford and do well and choose to do post-graduate work? You're letting his smack talk be a black thing instead of a stupid thing. IMO, he's still very much a role model. Maybe a role model who should learn some modesty, but that's not just a black thing.

Would a white athlete be held to the same standards, ripped in the same manner or assumed by so many to be just another thug? Definitely not.

Besides, he's right about Skip Bayless.

 

Even me? Especially me! Unfortunately, most people who saw that clip of Sherman knew nothing about him until they saw that rant. Unfortunately, many people in this world get their image of black males from crime reports, rap videos and often self-filmed and promoted violent behavior. 

 

Here we have a Stanford educated young man who works his tail off, who said in an interview last year that he's not the best athlete on the field so he has to play smarter, and saying that he doesn't party because you can't party and be your best. 

 

This is the kind of example millions of kids (and adults) should see and know. This is the image that should be reinforced, but few would see it because how he chose to behave.  

 

When I was a young man entering the corporate world, I was given advice from older black friends and relatives, which went something like this; 'You can't take the same liberties as whites at work. You can't take a smoke break, or hang out by the water cooler. You can't be late or call in sick. You have to work harder and better than the whites because many don't want you here, they will notice things you do that they wouldn't if you were white. They want a reason to get rid of you. You have to be careful of the example you set because you are, like it or not, representing more than yourself. You are representing your race and paving the way for others.'

 

Despite the fact that many will argue otherwise, that is something that people of my generation have lived with, and many of us have indeed try to set an example and be a positive role model.

 

Still, the expectations and stereotypes remain. A few years ago, someone suggested I run for City Council. Another guy in the room thought it funny say, 'Wait, you don't like crack and hookers, do you?'

 

Why did he say that?, because the only other black person ever elected to the Folsom City Council was later arrested for offering crack to a cop he thought was a hooker, and that means all of us must like crack and hookers. 

 

I was in southern Mexico many years ago and happened to use the same young taxi driver on several trips. On one trip I asked him where most of the tourists are from. He told me they had a lot of black tourists, but not many from the US. He then remarked, "I think they are bad people, with the guns and the drugs, but...you are different"

 

We had a discussion about the fact that the majority of black Americans are not bad people or carrying guns or doing drugs. 

 

Back at my hotel, we got only 2 channels; CNN and MTV. Seeing the gangsta rap videos on MTV, and seeing news of violence in America, and not running across very many black Americans in that resort town, I understood where he got his images of us, and was glad he learned that not all of us are that way.

 

Call it a burden, a responsibility, a fact of life, a myth, whatever you wish. It's something that black people deal with and it comes with the territory. 

 

We, not just black people, but people in general owe it to each other and ourselves to be good citizens and to lead and inspire and set good examples. 

 

The high school Richard Sherman graduated from has a drop out rate of 43%. He had an opportunity to inspire them to be like him; highly educated, hard-working, and living clean so he could be at his best. That kind of behavior can get you a job. 

 

Instead he taught them to brag about yourself and insult your opponents. That behavior on the streets can get you shot.

[4thgenFolsomite]

who said that?