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[ducky]

The document I posted talks about the city being reimbursed for past project upgrades out at the treatment plant and the pipeline from the dam to the City.  It also talks about the developers' financing plan for Phase I so I assume that means they are paying for the infrastructure.  Are you saying they aren't paying for that through fees?

 

I don't see why residents N50 should pay to get water S50.

[maestro]

The document I posted talks about the city being reimbursed for past project upgrades out at the treatment plant and the pipeline from the dam to the City.  It also talks about the developers' financing plan for Phase I so I assume that means they are paying for the infrastructure.  Are you saying they aren't paying for that through fees?

 

I don't see why residents N50 should pay to get water S50.

 

Payment for public works infrastructure via the state laws:

The Mello-Roos Act governs new developments (except in this place).

Folsom Municipal Code adopts CA Subdivision Map Act, and appoints oversight for annexation of new land -- City Engineer.    He is responsible for producing and approving all the Subdivision Agreements.    He is responsible for approving and putting his seal on the acceptance of all the developers infrastructure.   The financing of new works is governed (or should be) by Mello-Roos.

our "City Engineer' refuses to produce these Development documents under the Public Records Act.

 

July 2013, the city council passed Ordinance 1179.

 

It states on page 1:  "the city of Folsom, as charter city, may exercise its power & authority over municipal affairs.   If a matter is a municipal affair, & not expressly preempted by state law, the city may adopt ordinances & regulations governing the subject."

 

It then says the CA Mello-Roos Act is a mere "framework" upon which our council can create new taxes.    The developer does NOT have to pay up front like the laws state.   We are not protected.

 

This is an imperial charter city which can do whatever it dam well pleases -- even giving away your American River water to a developer, even if that water is not existing!

 

Check the new budget:   we ARE paying for southbound water tunnels under 50, and we are paying for northbound raw sewage tunnels to slam all that FPA sewage into our 27" mainline.     The developer gets the world with a fence around it & $$$$$.

 

Council is pushing through all of the new development approvals before the election, where 3 seats are at stake.    This council is ramming through "development entitlements" for over 5,000 acres of vacant land.   

Question:  if the city says it, is that not reason to reject?

[maestro]

If it's not clear, council & staff are not supposed to be giving away our water, nor our money to build infrastructure in FPA.    The recovery law for developers who pay up front for all the public works improvements is Mellos Roos Act.     

 

The council passed Ord. 1179 to turn that upside down.

 

Mention of the City Engineer was confusing.    In normal cities, it is just such a law-enforcement licensed engineer who is responsible for protecting residents -- both future and present.

 

We are not being protected.    The council does not have any right to declare "this is just a municipal affair"  so all you federal and state agencies, and other cities near us -- you just back off and watch us do whatever we please.    It is a municipal affair.

 

If you have questions about what 1179 actually does, ask a financial expert who can tell you precisely what is outlawed by law, and why cities are not superior to the law.

 

Would it confuse you too much to know the city also passed Ord. 1181, which states any city employee they want can determine the scope of a "public works" project, then award it, by himself, without that state rigamarole known as "competitive bidding" and open contracts.      Again, they said the state and federal laws do NOT apply to an imperial 'charter city.'

Actually CA law explicitly says the opposite.

Look at "recent legislation" at the city site.

[Phoenix2014]

ducky,
 
We will pay. Recall that when the water treatment plant was last expanded, it was solely for the new homes in Empire Ranch. The cost was about $34 million. Developers paid only half of this even though the City was on "record" that development would pay 100%. They simply did a "study" to show the expansion included up grades to the existing residents and we received 50% of the benefits, thereby the 50% cost to us.
What did they upgrade? The filter baskets! 
Imagine this - Your neighbor gets a new washer and dryer, while at the same time the installer stops by to install a new lint trap for your dryer. Your bill? Half the cost of your neighbors new units.
This is not an over exaggeration of a comparable example.
 
Now, lets look at South of 50.

• Water - Already lied about and now ignoring 5+ major legal documents that were written to protect our water. Stealing right in front of our faces. Then, they intend to turn over any profit from the "sale" of our stolen water to the developers south of 50 to offset the cost of the water infrastructure over there. This is in City documents.
• Saving 30% for open space?
• Schools paid for by a separate bond exclusive to the new south of 50 school zone?
• Cost of, and actual implementation, of traffic congestion mitigation?

Read the following letter from ex-mayor, now attorney to the land speculators, Holderness, and form your own opinion:

** Begin **
CITY OF FOLSOM
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
June 15, 2005

Robert G. Holderness, 80 Iron Point Circle, appearing on behalf of AKT Development, which is the principal land owner with 1,300 acres, introduced Mike McDougal with MJM Properties who is the property manager for AKT Development and Dave Storer with HDAS who is serving as the Planning Consultant for AKT Development.

He spoke about the 30 percent open space requirement for this area, stating that it was a burden on the land owners in that it limits the base upon which the infrastructure can be funded.

With respect to schools, he stated that the land owners in this area were included in Measure C, which meant they paid for some of the bonds that were adopted by the voters of Folsom. However the land owners did not vote on the Measure, they were just included in the district. It means the land owners are entitled to a seat at the table when the funding of schools is discussed because they are already participating in the financing of the schools.

The transportations issues were going to be significant challenges. He felt that the development of White Rock Road as an expressway would be key not only to the development of the SOI, but also to alleviate traffic on Highway 50 for the whole corridor.

He commended staff for the way they managed the public outreach over the last 18 months, in addition to the way they have worked with the landowners. He noted that the landowners started meeting on a weekly basis six months ago.

** end **

Please also read the first of the two letters from maestro above who is right on target. Lexington Hills is a great example. Mello-Roos fees earmarked for parks were "stolen" form that community and siphoned into the general fund. If not for the determination of one man, they would have gotten away with it and left that community with absolutely no parks. There are many examples where the City has lied, stolen from the public trust, and turned their backs on ordinances, state laws and us residents.

 

[maestro]

Please also read the first of the two letters from maestro above who is right on target. Lexington Hills is a great example. Mello-Roos fees earmarked for parks were "stolen" form that community and siphoned into the general fund. If not for the determination of one man, they would have gotten away with it and left that community with absolutely no parks. There are many examples where the City has lied, stolen from the public trust, and turned their backs on ordinances, state laws and us residents.

 

 

Phoenix,  nice to see a bird arise from the ashes.   

 

Here's a more recent one by same folks:   Bernau-Holderness company just announced they will miraculously come into the money to buy the Railroad Block on Sutter Street.  They had a plan to buy the blocks for $1 as a public service of providing the housing.   The city refuses to give me the market-price appraisal because "that's confidential" -- what city property is worth is confidential.    The project is suddenly able to go forward soon -- at about the exact same time the D&S Leidesdorff Street project is completely REZONED in four "planned developments".   

 

This D&S forest land is intended for open, public, passive usages associated with the American River/CA state park/ Lake Natoma below.   The council has passed on first reading, this huge rezone, based upon one sheet of pencil-drawn lines for four "planned developments" in the historic district -- HD PDs.

 

City law requires every single aspect of a PD to be part of the law, but four of the five council (total of 100 years sitting) voted to excuse D&S from providing the following public works:   they are excused from building and conveying to city  1/2 the 82 foot wide Leidesdorff street.  This means there is no  fire access to protect the federal land,    Four of the council are excusing  them from providing any sanitary sewer system whatsoever;  excused them from providing storm drains with filters;   etc., etc. 

City refuses to produce any public works blueprints whatsoever for D&S, FPA, Willow Creek projects, etc.    

Council four are in a rush to entitle D&S land for dense condos, and commercial, tearing down the beautiful riverside forest.     Did you know Leidesdorff Lid over Folsom Blvd. was justified as a walkable link for people to go from Sutter St. over to the "resort-like" areas of D&S and city's 20 acres?

   

Did you know there are millions of dollars of hand-laid rocks in that pitch dark underpass -- and something had to be omitted to do that?     The omission is the northern portion of the Folsom Blvd. 27" sewage Mainline.     So, prison 20" line comes to area;  all of old city lines totaling at least 25" comes to area;  18" north city line comes off bridge --   all three then compete to enter into really old tiny residential sewer lines.   Because the Mainline does not begin until almost a mile south.

 

Back to question:  what is relationship between sudden flood of money for Bernau project, at the very time the D&S project is given a pass on all public infrastructure?   The city is even giving away city street-land to D&S.    

 

Theft of federal water, and putting raw sewage into the American River's remaining water --   very different than theft of money.

 

Thanks for telling it like it is. 

[camay2327]

I mean "What the Hell is going on"?

 

Can we get someone to do an in depth study, Sacramento Bee?

 

Investigative REPORT???

 

Someone, submit this to the Sac Bee and see if they can do an investigation.....

 

 

It does seem like some shady things going on...???  If this is true....

[TruthSeeker]

 

Phoenix,  nice to see a bird arise from the ashes.   

 

Here's a more recent one by same folks:   Bernau-Holderness company just announced they will miraculously come into the money to buy the Railroad Block on Sutter Street.  They had a plan to buy the blocks for $1 as a public service of providing the housing.   The city refuses to give me the market-price appraisal because "that's confidential" -- what city property is worth is confidential.    The project is suddenly able to go forward soon -- at about the exact same time the D&S Leidesdorff Street project is completely REZONED in four "planned developments".   

 

This D&S forest land is intended for open, public, passive usages associated with the American River/CA state park/ Lake Natoma below.   The council has passed on first reading, this huge rezone, based upon one sheet of pencil-drawn lines for four "planned developments" in the historic district -- HD PDs.

 

City law requires every single aspect of a PD to be part of the law, but four of the five council (total of 100 years sitting) voted to excuse D&S from providing the following public works:   they are excused from building and conveying to city  1/2 the 82 foot wide Leidesdorff street.  This means there is no  fire access to protect the federal land,    Four of the council are excusing  them from providing any sanitary sewer system whatsoever;  excused them from providing storm drains with filters;   etc., etc. 

City refuses to produce any public works blueprints whatsoever for D&S, FPA, Willow Creek projects, etc.    

Council four are in a rush to entitle D&S land for dense condos, and commercial, tearing down the beautiful riverside forest.     Did you know Leidesdorff Lid over Folsom Blvd. was justified as a walkable link for people to go from Sutter St. over to the "resort-like" areas of D&S and city's 20 acres?

   

Did you know there are millions of dollars of hand-laid rocks in that pitch dark underpass -- and something had to be omitted to do that?     The omission is the northern portion of the Folsom Blvd. 27" sewage Mainline.     So, prison 20" line comes to area;  all of old city lines totaling at least 25" comes to area;  18" north city line comes off bridge --   all three then compete to enter into really old tiny residential sewer lines.   Because the Mainline does not begin until almost a mile south.

 

Back to question:  what is relationship between sudden flood of money for Bernau project, at the very time the D&S project is given a pass on all public infrastructure?   The city is even giving away city street-land to D&S.    

 

Theft of federal water, and putting raw sewage into the American River's remaining water --   very different than theft of money.

 

Thanks for telling it like it is. 

 

 

 

If you need to know why the current city council needs to be replaced, and if you're wondering why the Folsom Chamber of Commerce / BizPak gave FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS to help the current city council members get re-elected without even bothering to consider or interview new candidates - it's because they are wholly owned by developers and care more about them and $$$ then they do about Folsom citizens and the future of our city. They don't care about giving away our water and paving over paradise and trying to turn Folsom into Roseville. 

 

Developers aka Local Business Owners give(bribe) council members with $50k to ensure they get re-elected.

Council members give away city owned land to those same developers aka local business owners.

 

Anyone getting this yet? See how this works? In case you don't get it, this is not right and it's why the good old boys club has to go.

 

Do you or I matter at all when the city tells a resident to piss off when asking questions about property values that us tax payers paid for?

[tony]

 

  

Did you know there are millions of dollars of hand-laid rocks in that pitch dark underpass -- and something had to be omitted to do that?     The omission is the northern portion of the Folsom Blvd. 27" sewage Mainline.     So, prison 20" line comes to area;  all of old city lines totaling at least 25" comes to area;  18" north city line comes off bridge --   all three then compete to enter into really old tiny residential sewer lines.   Because the Mainline does not begin until almost a mile south.

 

 

It's good to hear that the stained concrete "dry stack" and "ashlar masonry" walls are such convincing replicas of the real thing!  But there are no "hand-laid" rocks under the Leidesdorff Lid. That is all formed concrete that was stained to look like rock. The approach retaining walls were "hand-stained", but that is a far cry from hand laid rocks. So it is quite a stretch to charge that the city deleted the northern part of the sewer because of the cost of the lid. The sewer needed to be relocated because it would have been sticking out of the ground. So, because of that and the fact that the sewer coming off the bridge was too low to flow into the existing 27" sewer, the pump station and a force main were built to get that sweage past the low point. 

 

As for the sewer sizes, as I explained in another post, adding up the sizes of pipes entering into a bigger pipe is misleading at best because the capacity of a sewer pipe is not directly proportional to its diameter (larger pipes have exponentially larger capacities than smaller ones based on simple geometry and reduced friction, so a 27" pipe has nearly four times the capacity of an 18" pipe at the same slope). And besides, at the location in question, the 18" off the bridge goes into a pump station because the end of the bridge is lower than the old 27" sewer, which is why the pipe coming out is smaller (it's a force main, which has more capacity than a gravity sewer).

 

But I'm with you on the street giveaway to D&S.  I don't see what the city is getting in return for abandoning Burnet St. and the alley.

 

On the other hand, I don't see the connection between the RR block moving forward and the D&S project. The Bernau project is moving forward because they finally cleared the legal hurdles associated with the elimination of redevelopment agencies, which then frees the project to get commercial construction financing. While you may object to the land transfer, I happen to think in this case it is a good investment for the city to ensure a quality development on the RR block.

[maestro]

 it is quite a stretch to charge that the city deleted the northern part of the sewer because of the cost of the lid. The sewer needed to be relocated because it would have been sticking out of the ground. So, because of that and the fact that the sewer coming off the bridge was too low to flow into the existing 27" sewer, the pump station and a force main were built to get that sweage past the low point. 

 

But I'm with you on the street giveaway to D&S.  I don't see what the city is getting in return for abandoning Burnet St. and the alley.

 

On the other hand, I don't see the connection between the RR block moving forward and the D&S project. The Bernau project is moving forward because they finally cleared the legal hurdles associated with the elimination of redevelopment agencies, which then frees the project to get commercial construction financing. While you may object to the land transfer, I happen to think in this case it is a good investment for the city to ensure a quality development on the RR block.

 

With respect to hydraulic capacity of Folsom sanitary sewage system, Tony is 100 % wrong and I have the proof.   I paid for videotaped depositions of the last City Engineer, city sewer supervisor, and other city employees and ex-employees with direct knowledge of the true facts.   Tony's unsupported opinions are not worth further comment.

 

You can either rely upon the combined storm-sewer system information I convey, or you can wait for the state water board to finish their investigation, or you can wait for the eventual explosion of the city's systems, as Save the American River Assn. warns.

 

If have asked the Director of state water resources board to order his investigators to force the city to produce engineering drawings for the sewerless, streetless, stormdrain-filter-less, Leidesdorff Project.    If you wish to add your concerns email

 

Buffleben Matthew@Waterboards <Matthew.Buffleben@waterboards.ca.gov>

 

If you have ANY doubts about the stench of raw sewage near the river and city sewage pump stations, tell him now.

If you object to dense developments WITHOUT a proper sewage connection, tell him now because he could probably stop Leidesdorff with one phone call.    State board has the authority -- they are the First Responders to sewage. 

 

The D&S Leidesdorff project is "four HD PD" REZONES in Ord. 1210.   It is 2 pages, not hundreds as other Planned Developments.   One page is a pencil-drawn sketch of the 4 Leidesdorff "planned developments".   No engineering drawings.   Their dense condos and commercial are going to connect to Tony's and my tiny pump station 4" line --  which is right next to the river.    The entire 20 acres of Folsom Industrial Yard is also illegally connected to our 4" line.  

 

As for coincidence of Bernau Holderness finding money at the very same time the Leidesdorff project gets bogus REzones for PDs, one question:    is it a coincidence Bernau and family finally find a pot of money at the very same time the rezones are done?   The "hurdle" was NO MONEY.   

 

The city actually told me the market-price-appraisal for the RR Block is CONFIDENTIAL.   Public land value is confidential -- and it gets transferred to Bernau  that way??????

 

If you want the truth, get the sworn, engineer-certified documents!    I do.

[tony]

 

With respect to hydraulic capacity of Folsom sanitary sewage system, Tony is 100 % wrong and I have the proof.   I paid for videotaped depositions of the last City Engineer, city sewer supervisor, and other city employees and ex-employees with direct knowledge of the true facts.   Tony's unsupported opinions are not worth further comment.

 

You can either rely upon the combined storm-sewer system information I convey, or you can wait for the state water board to finish their investigation, or you can wait for the eventual explosion of the city's systems, as Save the American River Assn. warns.

 

If have asked the Director of state water resources board to order his investigators to force the city to produce engineering drawings for the sewerless, streetless, stormdrain-filter-less, Leidesdorff Project.    If you wish to add your concerns email

 

Buffleben Matthew@Waterboards <Matthew.Buffleben@waterboards.ca.gov>

 

If you have ANY doubts about the stench of raw sewage near the river and city sewage pump stations, tell him now.

If you object to dense developments WITHOUT a proper sewage connection, tell him now because he could probably stop Leidesdorff with one phone call.    State board has the authority -- they are the First Responders to sewage. 

 

The D&S Leidesdorff project is "four HD PD" REZONES in Ord. 1210.   It is 2 pages, not hundreds as other Planned Developments.   One page is a pencil-drawn sketch of the 4 Leidesdorff "planned developments".   No engineering drawings.   Their dense condos and commercial are going to connect to Tony's and my tiny pump station 4" line --  which is right next to the river.    The entire 20 acres of Folsom Industrial Yard is also illegally connected to our 4" line.  

 

As for coincidence of Bernau Holderness finding money at the very same time the Leidesdorff project gets bogus REzones for PDs, one question:    is it a coincidence Bernau and family finally find a pot of money at the very same time the rezones are done?   The "hurdle" was NO MONEY.   

 

The city actually told me the market-price-appraisal for the RR Block is CONFIDENTIAL.   Public land value is confidential -- and it gets transferred to Bernau  that way??????

 

If you want the truth, get the sworn, engineer-certified documents!    I do.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying there area no problems with the sewers in the HD. I don't know for sure one way or the other. What I am saying is that you have implied that because the sum of the sizes of the sewers dumping into the 27" sewer is greater than 27", the sewers are undersized. That is not true. I'm looking at the final (stamped) construction drawings for the Lake Natoma Crossing/Leidesdorff Lid. What's on those drawings makes sense to me. However, if there were changes made during construction, I don't have that information.

 

The problem I have is that you are making grand accusations, claiming to have proof, but never produce the proof. At the same time, you make other claims that clearly are not true (e.g., the hand-laid rocks under the lid), and then claim that the money spent on those imaginary hand-laid rocks is why the sewers are supposedly substandard. So, how is one to determine which of your statements are valid? Sure, the city has had some major sewer issues, including the big Lake Natoma spill nearly 15 years ago. But they have also done some major improvements since then. Where is the evidence that any of the proposed developments will overtax the existing sewers?  What are these sworn documents you continually refer to?  If you've got them, then share the relevant parts of them.

[maestro]

 

The problem I have is that you are making grand accusations, claiming to have proof, but never produce the proof. At the same time, you make other claims that clearly are not true (e.g., the hand-laid rocks under the lid), and then claim that the money spent on those imaginary hand-laid rocks is why the sewers are supposedly substandard.  Sure, the city has had some major sewer issues, including the big Lake Natoma spill nearly 15 years ago. But they have also done some major improvements since then. Where is the evidence that any of the proposed developments will overtax the existing sewers?  What are these sworn documents you continually refer to?  If you've got them, then share the relevant parts of them.

 

You said you consulted the "stamped drawings" for the rocks, but you never claimed to have investigated the actual contract awarded to decorate a useless undercrossing.    You are misleading people, which is something a CA Licensed Engineer should never do.    Are you still a city  commission member?    Did you know the city used your engineered drawings for a bike trail as the SOLE engineering drawings to apply for millions of federal transportation dollars for a bridge?     Did not know you have a bridge endorsement?

 

Folsom sewer system is under investigation by state water board now, and you keep attacking me -- ordering me  to usurp their official duties and CA Engineering License obligations to enforce the laws.   Stop this now.

 

As for the city "SSS Improvements"  the state engineers do NOT consider the city's "crossties" and "diversions" as solutions -- but real problems.   OMG you just spout the city line.    You also did not mention the SSOs (spills) reported to OES recently.   Explain engineer's report attached to Res. 9205.

 

I will never bother satisfying your ego by producing evidence for you because you cannot understand the evidence which is public.   Smell the sewage,

And.....

Why don't you explain to this forum -- as an engineer -- what is displayed at www.youtube.com  4sewerdogs .  

 

Take your demands to Matthew Buffleben --   NOT ME.    This is an OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION!

 

Take your obligations as an engineer  more seriously.   Stop harassing me for hard EVIDENCE when I put myself at enough risk just to post the videos.     One recent video resulted in immediate retaliation. 

[tony]

 

You said you consulted the "stamped drawings" for the rocks, but you never claimed to have investigated the actual contract awarded to decorate a useless undercrossing.    You are misleading people, which is something a CA Licensed Engineer should never do.    Are you still a city  commission member?    Did you know the city used your engineered drawings for a bike trail as the SOLE engineering drawings to apply for millions of federal transportation dollars for a bridge?     Did not know you have a bridge endorsement?

 

I'm not misleading anyone, merely expressing my opinion based on the information to which I have access. As I said, if there were changes made to the sewers on the as-built drawings, I don't have those, but as for the rocks, I watched the walls get built and can say with certainty that they are concrete walls with form liners to look like rocks, which were stained after placement, not hand-placed rocks.

 

I have no idea what you are accusing me about regarding a bike path and bridge project. I can only assume it has something to do with the Johnny Cash Trail and bridge.If so, those engineering drawings for a bike trail also included engineering drawings for the bridge. I have no idea what impropriety your are suggesting with this comment either.

 

For your information, there is no such thing as a "bridge endorsement" for a professional engineer.

 

And I'm a bit surprised that you consider the Leidesdorff Lid to be useless. For many of the other 100+ homeowners in the Preserve and along River Way, it provides a safe, convenient and pleasant alternative to crossing Folsom Blvd. at Natoma/Forrest, providing continuity between the two parts of the HD on either side of Folsom Blvd.

[maestro]

I'm not misleading anyone, merely expressing my opinion based on the information to which I have access. As I said, if there were changes made to the sewers on the as-built drawings, I don't have those, but as for the rocks, I watched the walls get built and can say with certainty that they are concrete walls with form liners to look like rocks, which were stained after placement, not hand-placed rocks.

 

I have no idea what you are accusing me about regarding a bike path and bridge project. I can only assume it has something to do with the Johnny Cash Trail and bridge.If so, those engineering drawings for a bike trail also included engineering drawings for the bridge. I have no idea what impropriety your are suggesting with this comment either.

 

For your information, there is no such thing as a "bridge endorsement" for a professional engineer.

 

And I'm a bit surprised that you consider the Leidesdorff Lid to be useless. For many of the other 100+ homeowners in the Preserve and along River Way, it provides a safe, convenient and pleasant alternative to crossing Folsom Blvd. at Natoma/Forrest, providing continuity between the two parts of the HD on either side of Folsom Blvd.

 

Direct your comments to the state  board doing  investigation, instead of using your petty attacks as diversion shield.   

People see through it.

[maestro]

ducky,

First, maestro is right. I have watched and enjoyed your posts over the years for the new and factual information you provide.

Back in August of 2013, not even a year ago, the City still promoted that the "other source" of water was that which they had negotiated to buy from rice farmers with rights to Sacramento River water. This, not surprisingly, did not pan out. The cost would be $750,000,000 (that's 3/4 BILLION dollars) just to get the infrastructure in place, with another $12 million a year to buy the water and operate the system.

 

Why do that when you can just steal your neighbors’ water? Also, The US Bureau of Reclamation was not buying it. It would mean allowing agricultural water to be sold to a location way out of the boundary set for that waters allocated use. Something they are not prone to do.

I know! I could not stop laughing either. Here we are almost a year later, and not one of these “ethical” seven committee members has stepped forward to tell the truth about the City’s plans to steal your water.

 

Even if it is public or private land/water, even if there are no wellheads nor drilling equipment.....

 

Above ground, underground -- they claim to be equal-opportunity    public-water-grabbers:

 

[maestro]

ducky,

First, maestro is right. I have watched and enjoyed your posts over the years for the new and factual information you provide.

Back in August of 2013, not even a year ago, the City still promoted that the "other source" of water was that which they had negotiated to buy from rice farmers with rights to Sacramento River water. This, not surprisingly, did not pan out. The cost would be $750,000,000 (that's 3/4 BILLION dollars) just to get the infrastructure in place, with another $12 million a year to buy the water and operate the system.

 

Why do that when you can just steal your neighbors’ water? Also, The US Bureau of Reclamation was not buying it. It would mean allowing agricultural water to be sold to a location way out of the boundary set for that waters allocated use. Something they are not prone to do.

I know! I could not stop laughing either. Here we are almost a year later, and not one of these “ethical” seven committee members has stepped forward to tell the truth about the City’s plans to steal your water.

 

Even if it is public or private land/water, even if there are no wellheads nor drilling equipment.....

 

March 2014, the city water director told council the city tried drilling wells, and no water resulted.

 

Above ground, underground -- they claim to be equal-opportunity    public-water-grabbers: