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[Chad Vander Veen]

Well if a person is completely innocent and has never done anyone wrong and they're all good as you guys are making him out to be - they usually don't make the papers or news with such accusations, its not the papers I believe - its the police who busted him that I believe.

Yikes! That sounds a lot like "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about".


Thirding the "liberal" statement too

[LexHillsmom]

You must have daughters Dave...in fact you may have said so earlier.

I just think there is so much hypocrisy in this country about teens and sex. Many of you parents let your daughters dress like whores and talk like whores and then are surprised when they act like whores.

We let our daughters have abortions without their parents consent, basically giving them a free pass to f--- as many people as the want and never tell YOU.

We set 18 as the age of adulthood and consent, yet half of you proabably have granparents that married eachother younger than 18.

Yes, if this guy did it, he broke the law and should be punished. It is unusual by today's standards that a 34 y.o. would be interested in a 16 y.o., but not in the past and not in many places around the world.

So stop acting all surprised that some relatively young male teacher might still find attractive a 16 y.o. who maybe already had more sex partners than the teacher ever did.

Thank you CV.  You had the courage to say exactly what I wanted to. 

[FolsomJunior00]

I have to agree with benning....let me just say girls dress up in provacative ways everyday...even more in college than anything. That shouldnt be an excuse for anyone to break the law.

[FolsomJunior00]

Ok, two seconds after i posted my first post, I can already see this is Folsom High rape Case part 2.....teacher vs student. already in theaters

Way to judge without knowing the facts.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

ANother funny thing, I don't recall seeing ANY forumers complain about all these things:

NJ Female Teacher Allegedly Had Sex With Male Student
NBC5.com, IL - Aug 2, 2005

Edmonton Sun, Canada - Aug 18, 2005
... NB -- A New Brunswick teacher facing several sex-related charges ... an alleged sexual encounter between a female teacher and a 13-year-old male student in June.

Albany Teacher Busted for Sex With Students
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WBIR-TV, TN - Aug 11, 2005

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4/25/03 By John Moore. First year math teacher April Siegler is charged with having sex with two 16 year old students

High School Teacher Accused of Sex with Student Open this result in new window
Last updated 2/23/2005 - 11:18 PM
A female student teacher at McClatchy High School has been arrested for statutory rape after police found her in a car with a 16-year-old boy.

Are you implying that because no one commented on those incidents that we somehow weren't bothered by them? Are you implying that because those are cases of female teachers with male students we somehow approve? You're wondering why we're talking about this case? Let's see... let me see if I can think of any good reasons... Be right back... thinking hard here.......

Could it be because those incidents didn't happen in Folsom and since this is a Folsom website made up of Folsom residents this particular incident is of particular interest? Maybe?

[Dave Burrell]

You must have daughters Dave...in fact you may have said so earlier.

I just think there is so much hypocrisy in this country about teens and sex. Many of you parents let your daughters dress like whores and talk like whores and then are surprised when they act like whores.  We let our daughters have abortions without their parents consent, basically giving them a free pass to f--- as many people as the want and never tell YOU.  We set 18 as the age of adulthood and consent, yet half of you proabably have granparents that married eachother younger than 18.

Yes, if this guy did it, he broke the law and should be punished. It is unusual by today's standards that a 34 y.o. would be interested in a 16 y.o., but not in the past and not in many places around the world.

So stop acting all surprised that some relatively young male teacher might still find attractive a 16 y.o. who maybe already had more sex partners than the teacher ever did.

Good deduction CV - yes, I do have a daughter, and thats why this stuff worries me and why I get so angry about it. And to clarify - I'm a much better parent then those idiots who would buy and dress their daughters like whores or let them act like one. I've raised my daughter much better then those idiots you mentioned and I know she's a good kid and doesn't act dress or act like that, she's got morals and she knows right from wrong.

You are right tho - too many parents do let their daughters go out looking and acting like hookers - the sad part is they learn it from their moms who are desperately trying to always look better then everyone else and so they go to such an extreme - they practically (censored) themselves out trying to be and look better then the joneses - I see a lot of that - heck just look at how many plastic surgeons there are in this town, that alone shows you how vane some women here are and their daughters watch and learn by those examples - its pretty sad.

I'm not surprised either that a young teacher is attacted to a 16 year old - the part that is bad is that he could not control himself and behave like an adult - he's not a teenager, have a clue and know where the limitations are....doesn't matter if she was attractive, if she looked like a hooker or if she even offered a bj or sex to him - its his JOB to remain ethical and not induldge - just like a cop should not be toking on any weed he happened to confiscate from a drug dealer - its all about having morals and ethics and doing the job right - thats what I'm talking about.

I'm surprised that if he was such a great teacher - why the he11 was he not smart enuf to know he shouldn't be attracted to a student - I thought that would be simple common sense - that is a no no.

[Brett911]

Are you implying that because no one commented on those incidents that we somehow weren't bothered by them? Are you implying that because those are cases of female teachers with male students we somehow approve? You're wondering why we're talking about this case? Let's see... let me see if I can think of any good reasons... Be right back... thinking hard here.......

Could it be because those incidents didn't happen in Folsom and since this is a Folsom website made up of Folsom residents this particular incident is of particular interest? Maybe?

RL, I think you are on to something here...

All kidding aside, can we reserve judgement till we get the facts?

Yes I think we all agree that non-consentual sex between a 34 y/o male and a 16 y/o minor female is illegal and wrong.

And that a 34 y/o male should not be looking to 16 y/o girls for dates.

Can we agree to wait for the facts to emerge as to what happened here?

[Dave Burrell]

Yikes! That sounds a lot like "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about".
Thirding the "liberal" statement too

well thats true isn't it? if he's that innocent he should have nothing to worry about but I just think that he wouldn't be in the news if he was all that innocent

[Chad Vander Veen]

Good deduction CV - yes, I do have a daughter, and thats why this stuff worries me and why I get so angry about it.  And to clarify -  I'm a much better parent then those idiots who would buy and dress their daughters like whores or let them act like one.  I've raised my daughter much better then those idiots you mentioned and I know she's a good kid and doesn't act dress or act like that, she's got morals and she knows right from wrong. 

You are right tho - too many parents do let their daughters go out looking and acting like hookers - the sad part is they learn it from their moms who are desperately trying to always look better then everyone else and so they go to such an extreme - they practically (censored) themselves out trying to be and look better then the joneses - I see a lot of that - heck just look at how many plastic surgeons there are in this town, that alone shows you how vane some women here are and their daughters watch and learn by those examples - its pretty sad.

I'm not surprised either that a young teacher is attacted to a 16 year old - the part that is bad is that he could not control himself and behave like an adult - he's not a teenager, have a clue and know where the limitations are....doesn't matter if she was attractive, if she looked like a hooker or if she even offered a bj or sex to him - its his JOB to remain ethical and not induldge - just like a cop should not be toking on any weed he happened to confiscate from a drug dealer - its all about having morals and ethics and doing the job right - thats what I'm talking about.

I'm surprised that if he was such a great teacher - why the he11 was he not smart enuf to know he shouldn't be attracted to a student - I thought that would be simple common sense - that is a no no.

Very good post. Excellent in fact. I agree with everything you wrote. See, I think we actually agree on everything here, we just appraoch it from slightly differing perspectives.

Oh, and RL, I didn't see you posting about this one:

High School Teacher Accused of Sex with Student Open this result in new window
Last updated 2/23/2005 - 11:18 PM
A female student teacher at McClatchy High School has been arrested for statutory rape after police found her in a car with a 16-year-old boy.

That was a whopping 20 miles away...

[Hotdog]

Is this the same story that took place some time ago about a teacher having sex with a student in Folsom or is this another story of the same type. I thought this was old news.

[benning]

too many parents do let their daughters go out looking and acting like hookers - the sad part is they learn it from their moms who are desperately trying to always look better then everyone else

Not true, they learn it from Cosmo and their peers. They've long stopped listening to their moms by then.

Unfortunately, this is the age (15-17) where moms and daughters usually butt heads, and often it's over how the child dresses (just ask me, I've been there)

[Chad Vander Veen]

For comparision:

This thread already has 55 replies and 750 views

Thread from February, "
What's going - female teachers & students .."

9 replies and 164 views

See what I mean about hypocrisy...

http://www.tomatopag...=female teacher

[anonymous]

Well if a person is completely innocent and has never done anyone wrong and they're all good as you guys are making him out to be - they usually don't make the papers or news with such accusations, its not the papers I believe - its the police who busted him that I believe.

By the way I didn't read this in the paper I saw an interview with the Folsom Police about it last night.

I read all the time about people being released from jail after having spent 20 plus years of their life there after being cleared by new DNA evidence or someone recants. They too were "busted" by the Police and subsequently convicted beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Just because someone gets arrested and even convicted obviously doesn't mean they were guilty.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Very good post. Excellent in fact. I agree with everything you wrote. See, I think we actually agree on everything here, we just appraoch it from slightly differing perspectives.

Oh, and RL, I didn't see you posting about this one:

High School Teacher Accused of Sex with Student Open this result in new window
Last updated 2/23/2005 - 11:18 PM
A female student teacher at McClatchy High School has been arrested for statutory rape after police found her in a car with a 16-year-old boy.

That was a whopping 20 miles away...

So what's your point -- if I don't comment on each and every single story regarding molestation (here or there or everywhere?) that I must condone some of them? What are you getting at -- that I can't have a valid point regarding one case unless I post comments about each and every related case? *sigh

That story, and all stories of illegal sex with minors are awful. I have a busy business (frequently working nights and weekends), don't get to read the paper all that much, can't follow every thread on these boards -- and often choose to avoid posting in threads I might like to because of the attacks, negativity, and lack of ability to debate intelligently and with civility on the parts of some. Doesn't mean I don't care or have opinions about those stories.

EDIT: That thread ran in February. I joined in May. Wasn't posting before I was a member.

[CostcoLover]

If he didn't do it - not guilty
If he did - guilty

FYI - http://en.wikipedia..../Age_of_consent

# Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Alabama: 16
# Illinois, Louisiana, Nebraska, New York, Texas: 17
# Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin: 18
# Colorado: 15 (17 if partner 10 years older and not spouse)
# Florida: 16 (If partner under 24), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Idaho: 16 or 17 (if partner less than 5 years older), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Iowa: 14 or 15 (if partner less than 5 years older), 16 (all other adult partners)
# Missouri: 14 (if partner under 21), 17 (all other adults)
# Nevada: 16 (heterosexual), 21 (homosexual)
# New Hampshire: 16, 18 (person in position of authority, see NH RSA 632-A:4 III.)
# New Mexico: 16 (18 if partner at least 4 or more years older than minor)
# South Carolina: 14 (Under state constitution)/16 (Under state law - appears to conflict with state constitution).
# Washington: 16 (18 if partner is at least 60 months older, in a significant supervisory relationship, and uses that relationship to engage in sex with the minor).
# Wyoming: 16/18 (conflicting laws appear to set two different ages of consent)
# Military: equal to the state the base is located in if the state law is 16yrs or greater else 16 if the state law is less that 16yrs; homosexuality grounds for dismissal