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[TM70]

Sounds like a better lesson in how to throw a fit and get your way. They are acting so immature that I'm embarrassed for them. I would talk to my boss to get a raise. I would tell them all of the reasons I deserve one. I would never get in their face and yell at them and tell them I would quit if they didn't give me a bigger raise than the one I'm demanding. Why does being part of a union give you the right to be big babies and stomp your feet and yell? Act like the professionals you claim to be. Take a time out and use your words.

Nice...again...when we "negotiated" in good faith with the district for 6 months and they never once "negotiated" with us, NOBODY cared. The offer from the district has never once changed. Now we raise a "stink"(that one's for you ED) and everyone wets their pants. Get serious....no one wants to strike, but anyone with experience knows this is where we are heading. Sometime in early May there will be a strike vote unless the district budges, even a little, to meet us in the middle. It happened last time and it'll happen again. The district knows the impartial arbiter will come out somewhere in the middle with the figures. They are just waiting to see if we blink. At this point, I'm not seeing it.

Remember, the SUPERINTENDENT said he wanted teachers in the top quartile. Not me, not my colleagues, the Sup., so we are just holding him to his word. Maybe not this year, but given us less than the COLA and then saying, oh yeah, we'll get you up there. I sat in the first few rows of the meeting when he said that and I could see the sincerity leave his face.

As far as embarrassed. Yes, I am embarrassed. I don't like it when people act like fools at the board meetings or try to browbeat people on the board. It does nothing. We need to come and sit at the board meeting, be respectful and show solidarity. Yelling and screaming to fire up the teachers does NOTHING. The arbiter will come on April 18th. Throw out a number in the middle, try to get one side to cave and then move on. The union will come back with the offer to vote on. Who knows what will happen...

I agree with you and the best arguments at the board meetings were the ones that were given in a calm and respectful manner. The best one centered on the districts use of funding to find competent counselors and speech pathologists. If any of those numbers are close, and I really hope they are not, then this district is completely mismanaging it's money. I'm sure there is a little mismanagement, but geesh, if any of those numbers are close...what an eye opener...

[TM70]

Oh, the jealousy runs rampant. Maybe in two weeks I'll get up early, watch my neighbors go to work, and contemplate my work ethic. No, I'll be spending time with my family. Or, perhaps I'll wait until June and go to lake with the other teachers and put our boats with the towers in the water and cram a summers worth of fun into three days. But wait, I don't need to because I have eight weeks off! Teaching is soooo cool!

I couldn't agree more. There are some BITTER people on this board. When this is over, and we do get our COLA, I will still have the summer to work or hang out. That's a decision I made when I was 18 years old and it's basically paying off. I'll never be rich, but if the guv says this is the COLA then this is the COLA. Don't cry to us, cry to Ahnold...

I guess I could be a grave digger or Denny's waitress or surgical nurse(well maybe not this one) but I think you get the picture.

[TM70]

they became the bad guy/girl for me during the Measure "O" campaign... that's when I became a "conservative"... Not a stinking Republican... a "conservative"... there is a difference...

get back to me...

Ed...where was the district going to come up with the extra 2 mil to open each new side of the district? They didn't have it. Remember, yes it was voted down, but even then it was not going to pass government muster. The ed. boards didn't vote it through either. Let it go Ed. Breath, drink an "oil can", go work out, call Tess, "babe."

That'll do Ed...That'll do...

Semantics...

[TM70]

it will be fun it this thing ends up in a strike with picket lines, cars honking horns, folks yelling slogana and police all over. they had one down in fairfield a few years ago that was a real doozey

its good for the kids cause it provides a hands on lesson in worker vs management

Yes, I will have my sickle and hammer.

Dasvidania old soldier...(I'm sure you are saying this to me, but the more people want posters like me to go away the more we are going to stay. Maybe even after this all is settled)

Whatever...

Have I lit the fires of controversy enough for me to take a break for a while? I've got to slack off , so I can do the "bare minimum.'

[Jolene]

If you don't like the private sector sign up, IN FOLSOM, to be a teacher. Right off the bat you will be the poorest paid teacher in Sac. county. And...even if the COLA is added in, then you are now 6th or 9th depending on whose numbers you look at.

Where did I say I had a problem with the private sector? I don't think I did because I don't. I enjoy working in jobs where my raises are based on the quality of my work.

And if I were to quit the private sector and become a teacher, hey, at least I'd know what I was getting into by making that choice. Further, I would know that I was not being forced to teach and that I could make a different career choice, should I get fed up enough.

[TM70]

Where did I say I had a problem with the private sector? I don't think I did because I don't. I enjoy working in jobs where my raises are based on the quality of my work.

And if I were to quit the private sector and become a teacher, hey, at least I'd know what I was getting into by making that choice. Further, I would know that I was not being forced to teach and that I could make a different career choice, should I get fed up enough.

Where did I say I didn't like teaching? People will attack me now like they did a few weeks ago. It'll all just rehash. Where did I say I didn't know what I was getting into. I didn't...I enjoy working in jobs where my raises are based on COLA. Quality of work...you have no idea. Whatever, the quality of my work is measured in random test scores and the brains of very young CHILDREN. Yeah, go and base your salary on young children. This one comes from this family, or that family of this or that. Yeah, nice level playing field. I want that kid or this kid. Yeah, let's pick teams. I get all the "smart" kids and you get the rest. How about that! How about you teach the lowest of the low and I'll take all the high ones, O.K. for sake of argument, we can trade if you like...and then let's base YOUR pay on that outcome. See. you don't know what you are talking about. It looks good on the outside, but then you look under the hood and it's NOT THAT SIMPLE! Come to think of it, maybe I should advocate for that! You're right, what have I been thinking all this time?

I knew when I got into this that I would have to do what I am doing if I wanted to stay in teaching. Yeah, I could make 40K for 25 years of work, but that dog just won't hunt...How was that ED? I don't want to make a new career choice and I can't move to those other districts without losing a LOT of money. Ask SBP about that. So I'm here, simple as that...

And don't play coy, you...you private sector worker... you drinkin' with Ed?

[EDF]

Ed...where was the district going to come up with the extra 2 mil to open each new side of the district? They didn't have it. Remember, yes it was voted down, but even then it was not going to pass government muster. The ed. boards didn't vote it through either. Let it go Ed. Breath, drink an "oil can", go work out, call Tess, "babe."

That'll do Ed...That'll do...

Semantics...

typical stinking educrat B.S.... we did pass the 9 criteria... and we passed it the 2nd time.. it was the stinking board that took it off the table this last time when we got some more educrat idiots on the board....

let me remind you.... and I'll give you time to come up with another reason... but just answer this one...

even back in 1995-1996... a Folsom only district would have been LARGER than 85% of all the other school districts in ALL of CALIFORNIA....

So the big question is.... HOW IN THE HELL DO/DID THEY IT...? and THEN WHY COULDN'T FOLSOM AND CORDOVA HAVE THEIR OWN STINKING SCHOOL DISTRICTS...

FOLSOM HAS:

a police dept
a fire dept
our own library


so why then... couldn't we run 12 and now going on 13 schools.... and Rancho do the same....

isn't it stupid to have a Board meeting once each month in Folsom and once in Rancho... wouldn't it be better to have a Rancho Only board with Rancho only residents and one withi Folsom only residents....?

get back to me with something besides 'it wouldn't be the best thing for the kids"... or "how will spitting the district be better for ALL of the kids'...

That is the B.S. that turned me away from your stinking ILK and I have no sympathy for you teachers....

The stinking union didn't want it because the senior teachers would have had to go to Rancho to keep the stinking precious seniority...

and Folsom wouldn't have had a "bargaining unit" at least in the beginnning...

[TM70]

typical stinking educrat B.S.... we did pass the 9 criteria... and we passed it the 2nd time.. it was the stinking board that took it off the table this last time when we got some more educrat idiots on the board....

let me remind you.... and I'll give you time to come up with another reason... but just answer this one...

even back in 1995-1996... a Folsom only district would have been LARGER than 85% of all the other school districts in ALL of CALIFORNIA....

So the big question is.... HOW IN THE HELL DO/DID THEY IT...? and THEN WHY COULDN'T FOLSOM AND CORDOVA HAVE THEIR OWN STINKING SCHOOL DISTRICTS...

FOLSOM HAS:

a police dept
a fire dept
our own library
so why then... couldn't we run 12 and now going on 13 schools.... and Rancho do the same....

isn't it stupid to have a Board meeting once each month in Folsom and once in Rancho... wouldn't it be better to have a Rancho Only board with Rancho only residents and one withi Folsom only residents....?

get back to me with something besides 'it wouldn't be the best thing for the kids"... or "how will spitting the district be better for ALL of the kids'...

That is the B.S. that turned me away from your stinking ILK and I have no sympathy for you teachers....

The stinking union didn't want it because the senior teachers would have had to go to Rancho to keep the stinking precious seniority...

and Folsom wouldn't have had a "bargaining unit" at least in the beginnning...

Oh, stop it Ed. You use words like stinkin', educrats and ilk, which BTW is killing me, to make your point. Sounds like you went huntin' and came back empty handded. Funny how you look to help the SBP when she was probably one of the spearheads of this whole thing.

I think you are missing the big picture. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but you are kinda in the same boat as the rest of us. See...the board has this agenda thing with annexing the area south of 50. It's kinda hard to do that unless you bookend the area(Folsom and RC). I'm sure you are aware of the 750 million dollar bond that goes to vote on March 27th. 200 people will decide the fate of tens of thousands of potential property owners south of 50. Yes, the teachers were trying to save their bargaining unit, but the board had this in mind all along...you are swinging wildly in the dark now my friend. Who in the world would work in FOLSOM without a bargaining unit? Maybe all of those home school moms? No offense 40-1 is a bit more challenging than 2-1 or 1-1, so again I say, "Whatever." Yeah, I would have had to leave FCUSD or go to Rancho. I probably would have gone to Rancho, since I've worked there before, but at that point in my career I could have gone to SJ or RJ. Time to turn on the light and hit the gym so you can go home and drink when you are done. I would too, since the RE salad days are over...

Oh yes...I'll let you restate this one...

HOW IN THE HELL DO/DID THEY IT...?

Just do "it" for the "kids" Ed.

[aubie84alum]

it will be fun it this thing ends up in a strike with picket lines, cars honking horns, folks yelling slogana and police all over. they had one down in fairfield a few years ago that was a real doozey

its good for the kids cause it provides a hands on lesson in worker vs management

The lesson is in civics. Among the Bill of Rights: the right to assemble, petition government, freedom of speech, etc.

You're right. It's an excellent lesson...

[cw68]

EDF, I can't help but to think that it would easier for you to sell houses in "upscale" and white Folsom if we had our own school district. You could sit there and argue all day that Folsom's schools didn't have to deal with ESL students and the like.

[Robert Giacometti]

EDF, I can't help but to think that it would easier for you to sell houses in "upscale" and white Folsom if we had our own school district. You could sit there and argue all day that Folsom's schools didn't have to deal with ESL students and the like.

CW, sorry, but its wrong to try and judge EDF motives. You don't have to agree with him or you don't even have to like him, but to try and publically judge his motives is wrong. He was active in many community issues trying to maintain quality of life concerns before the split of the District issue came about. Don't keep buying into that tired old class warfare issue.

This is a very old issue.....but I sense the reason why EDF is bringing it up is HE feels the teachers were more motivated in looking out for their best interests, rather than the kids, but were using the kids as a tool.

Again, we don't have to agree with him, but respect the fact he was involved in the very early days of growth issues ( like trading park land for swamp land issue) and the community as a whole is better off as a result of this.

I doubt very much this was his motives in supporting splitting the District.

[TM70]

This kills me...the district called me and asked if I would cross the picket line to SUBSTITUTE teach. I was a sub in the district about TEN YEARS ago!!! Anyway, at first I didn't understand why they were calling me, but then it hit me. I think I feel some squirming...the latest theory is that Godwin is just using Folsom as a stepping stone to bigger and better things and is trying to use Folsom-Cordova as his springboard. A mutually beneficial goal for the sup and the SBP. He'll be gone in a year or so...SBP what about you? 11 years is a long time...

Remember Stanley...that was good...very nice...

[supermom]

This kills me...the district called me and asked if I would cross the picket line to SUBSTITUTE teach. I was a sub in the district about TEN YEARS ago!!! Anyway, at first I didn't understand why they were calling me, but then it hit me. I think I feel some squirming...the latest theory is that Godwin is just using Folsom as a stepping stone to bigger and better things and is trying to use Folsom-Cordova as his springboard. A mutually beneficial goal for the sup and the SBP. He'll be gone in a year or so...SBP what about you? 11 years is a long time...

Remember Stanley...that was good...very nice...

Thats wierd. do they anticipate there actually will be a strike then? Godwin has every right to want to move up......but I hope you are not inferring that he's stepping on the teachers in order to make his big jump. Is that what you meant?

[tessieca]

Silly TM. Neither Supt. nor board has even a tiny incentive to withhold money from teachers or anyone else. What on earth would be the point? I'm stumped. Supt. plans to retire in this district so stepping stone to what?? And "mutual goal"?? Again, you've just got me with some unspoken conspiracy theory. There is no hidden money. There are no hidden goals. Holding back money wouldn't get a board member a better position nor does it get a superintendent a better job.

Ah yes, the first three definitions of recall are my favorite:
re·call –verb (used with object) 1. to bring back from memory; recollect; remember: Can you recall what she said?
2. to call back; summon to return: The army recalled many veterans.
3. to bring (one's thoughts, attention, etc.) back to matters previously considered .

I'm sure that's what you meant while you were childishly stomping the bleachers. . .

[tessieca]

Thats wierd. do they anticipate there actually will be a strike then?

From the district's perspective there is an excellent shot at resolving things in mediation. From a business perspective, while the teachers continue to threaten strike, the district has to be prepared, so they might actually be assessing how many teachers are willing to come to school (for the kids they claim to support) and how many would follow the groupthink. I'm speculating because this is the first I've heard of any contacts regarding strike substitutes. It makes good sense to be prepared.