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[supermom]

From the district's perspective there is an excellent shot at resolving things in mediation. From a business perspective, while the teachers continue to threaten strike, the district has to be prepared, so they might actually be assessing how many teachers are willing to come to school (for the kids they claim to support) and how many would follow the groupthink. I'm speculating because this is the first I've heard of any contacts regarding strike substitutes. It makes good sense to be prepared.

ah,ok then. we'll jusst wait.

[tessieca]

Or maybe it was actually the union calling its own members to see if they have anyone who might try to double cross them if they strike?

[TM70]

Or maybe it was actually the union calling its own members to see if they have anyone who might try to double cross them if they strike?

That is the most hilarious thing you have said so far...very nice... Seeing that I would know that...oh, those double crossers...sounds so lame...

Anyway...yes, he is using FCUSD as a springboard in that it would look very nice on a resume that he potentially could save the district a lot of money. To hell with being fair and paying a fair wage. We will definitely be LAST IN SACRAMENTO by year's end.

Look, FCUSD has only had ONE strike VOTE ever. This will be number two if things continue. I believe they will and unfortunately all the bad memories of '99 are coming back. Experience hopefully will prevail, but with this guy who the heck knows.

The sup is a nice guy personally, but professionally...OK too much...retire in FCUSD? He can't go into anyone's classroom. Who would want him there now?

[TM70]

Silly TM. Neither Supt. nor board has even a tiny incentive to withhold money from teachers or anyone else. What on earth would be the point? I'm stumped. Supt. plans to retire in this district so stepping stone to what?? And "mutual goal"?? Again, you've just got me with some unspoken conspiracy theory. There is no hidden money. There are no hidden goals. Holding back money wouldn't get a board member a better position nor does it get a superintendent a better job.

Ah yes, the first three definitions of recall are my favorite:
re·call –verb (used with object) 1. to bring back from memory; recollect; remember: Can you recall what she said?
2. to call back; summon to return: The army recalled many veterans.
3. to bring (one's thoughts, attention, etc.) back to matters previously considered .

I'm sure that's what you meant while you were childishly stomping the bleachers. . .

Actually, my eyes rolled at all of that. It's stupid and serves no purpose. I don't want to recall you, I never voted for you in the first place. No offense...Seriously, your histrionics are pretty funny as well.

South of 50 are 200 voters.

[TM70]

From the district's perspective there is an excellent shot at resolving things in mediation. From a business perspective, while the teachers continue to threaten strike, the district has to be prepared, so they might actually be assessing how many teachers are willing to come to school (for the kids they claim to support) and how many would follow the groupthink. I'm speculating because this is the first I've heard of any contacts regarding strike substitutes. It makes good sense to be prepared.

When you put us in a position of choosing our livelihood over our jobs, well the answer is easy. Let's see, money for my family or educating my students. It's not even a choice...my kids, my family will ALWAYS come first. Downplay it and make it sound like we are greedy, but my kids outweigh any of my students hands down EVERY TIME. So the whole argument that we are doing this in the face of saying we want to support our students is ludicrous and frankly I'm sick of it. You're sick to even presume that...Family vs. work. Family everytime...if that clashes with your value system then I am definitely not the one with the problem.

Like I live a lavish lifestyle...whatever...we give so much and you slap us in the face. When you get the invite to visit my classroom at open house, I hope you show up. I'll have a cup of coffee waiting for YOU...

[sanmateo60]

When you put us in a position of choosing our livelihood over our jobs, well the answer is easy. Let's see, money for my family or educating my students. It's not even a choice...my kids, my family will ALWAYS come first. Downplay it and make it sound like we are greedy, but my kids outweigh any of my students hands down EVERY TIME. So the whole argument that we are doing this in the face of saying we want to support our students is ludicrous and frankly I'm sick of it. You're sick to even presume that...Family vs. work. Family everytime...if that clashes with your value system then I am definitely not the one with the problem.

Like I live a lavish lifestyle...whatever...we give so much and you slap us in the face. When you get the invite to visit my classroom at open house, I hope you show up. I'll have a cup of coffee waiting for YOU...

[sanmateo60]

When you put us in a position of choosing our livelihood over our jobs, well the answer is easy. Let's see, money for my family or educating my students. It's not even a choice...my kids, my family will ALWAYS come first. Downplay it and make it sound like we are greedy, but my kids outweigh any of my students hands down EVERY TIME. So the whole argument that we are doing this in the face of saying we want to support our students is ludicrous and frankly I'm sick of it. You're sick to even presume that...Family vs. work. Family everytime...if that clashes with your value system then I am definitely not the one with the problem.

Like I live a lavish lifestyle...whatever...we give so much and you slap us in the face. When you get the invite to visit my classroom at open house, I hope you show up. I'll have a cup of coffee waiting for YOU...

I propose a cage match between Tessieca and TM70 at the first Thursday Night Market. I'll buy both of them coffee!

[normajean]

Great plan with the cage match! We could pre-sell tickets and donate the money to the board, might help them come up with a decent offer.

For the record, my money is definitely on TM.

[tessieca]

Don't put your money down too soon. I don't know who TM is, but I'm a scrapper .

[aubie84alum]

Don't put your money down too soon. I don't know who TM is, but I'm a scrapper .

We just heard from our negotiator that medical is going to become more expensive for staff members. Is this true? If it is we're going to be taking another hit? You're kidding! You want us to take on more expenses, thereby, decreasing our pay further? Say it ain't so. You are really trying to get us to strike. We're trying to avoid that. What is the board's and superindent's motivation? You say you want to hire the newest, best, etc. They're going to laugh and go elsewhere. Why? I can't comprehend this action.

You don't need to fight just TM; you've got about 1000 bidding for the chance. Unbelievable! Are you mishigas? The chutzpah!

[gingerkid]

Ooh, wow! I wouldn't respond to this. It's starting to sound threatening. Any particular reason teachers want to go after one particular person and physically fight them? I don't know everything, but don't the insurance companies decide how much they're going to charge? I don't think the district gets to decide that.

[supermom]

Tessieca and TM70 have you seen todays Folsom Telegraph letter to the editor? The mother from Empire Oaks does bring up (in my eyes) a valid question. Do the Teachers and Board intend on clashing every year? Over and over I have read that if the teachers are given the full cola they are requesting then there will be shortages in special programs. If that is true why isn't the school board placing a list out describing exactly which programs and how much in debt these programs will be cut in $$ sense. As a parent I don't want percentages, I want to understand the exact amount needed to run a program (by the way I am referring to the FCUSD website facts and figures). Now I understand just what is needed to run the programs because it is spelled out on the form. What I do not understand is just what programs will be cut or shortened and just what that will mean for the student as far as books or teacher- child ratio with an informed understanding.
Frankly, I think that if a cut is needed in order to improve the COLA for teachers then why don't we cut unnecessary things like heating the school on weekends or start charging baseball teams for practice on the fields? (Maybe the schools already do I'm not sure- though I do know they charge the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts to use the cafeterias during non-school hours).
I realize that many programs go unseen by the majority of parents because the programs are meant for a minority of children- such as RSP, but what really throws me is how we need 1.8 certificated teachers for a program. What does that mean? Why is a letter sent out to "educate parents about contractual differences" written in hyper-speak? I am not in any way criticizing the educators of my students. However, I do think schools should run the schools like a business. Maybe then I would better understand 1.8 teachers.

I think many people in Folsom are tiring of the never ending drama surrounding the contract issues. I for one think the board needs to either
A) fire every teacher who disagrees with their contract and then try to hire another teacher for that position, or
B) the Board needs to acknowledge they are treating the teachers in Folsom with hostility which should immediately stop and the teachers should have their recompense for nearly 7 months of stress while working without the benefit of a contract.
Of coarse, I'm just a parent : what do I know?

[supermom]

Tess, and Tm70 you gonna respond?

[TM70]

Tess, and Tm70 you gonna respond?

Here...I'll save you a response from the school board president.

"The numbers are a matter of public record, please see the FCUSD budget at:"

http://www.fcusd.org...b/AdminHandbook
/Budget/06_07AdoptedBudget.pdf

I have to apologize for the broken link, but if you paste it in altogether it will work. Just working around some limitation in this forum...

It's only a mere 310 pages, so I wish you good luck in your endeavor to find answers there. If you remember from the beginning of this thread, we went around and around and around on this very point. Part of their strength is confusion. Supermom, please go and try to read this thing. Maybe you are the one who will lead me into some understanding of this document. It's just numbers, but who knows what goes where, etc...

I'm sorry, but I don't have answers for you as I have looked at the budget and to be honest, I understand some of it, but not all of it. Put it this way, our negotiating team has to be inserviced in order to learn how to read it proficiently. At least enough to make heads or tails of it.

Oh, and to answer your other question...sadly and I do mean this sincerely, meetings to negotiate the 2007-2008 contract will have to begin soon as the 2006-2007 contract year is a mere 8 weeks away. So yes, this will become a yearly battle unless someone relents and I can tell you right now, it's not going to be the teachers. They will continue to work with the kids and do their very best. Funny thing is that I haven't, at least on my campus, seen even one change in the classrooms. It's business as usual, with ugly green shirts of course, Fridays only...

Party's over, you figured out a way to get those two votes you needed from last time...

325 mil a vote...not bad...figure out that math and now you're getting it...

[TM70]

Hopefully everyone is rested and ready to do this again...