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[cybertrano]

Yes

Isn't Serrano a private community?

[Terry]

Serrano being a private community does not remove it from the jurisdiction of El Dorado County. Thus affordable housing elements could be included there.

[Kerri Howell]

For the record, Serrano is NOT a private community, it is a gated community within El Dorado County. El Dorado County is required, by State Law, to provide for affordable housing, just like Folsom, Sacramento and the rest of the region. From discussions with ED County Supervisors, there is affordable housing planned for the area just across the Freeway (south) from Serrano, near the business park, and adjacent to our SOI. Maybe the grass isn't that much greener across the County line?

[cybertrano]

I do believe even if EDH is subjected to affordable housing, it's not as severe as Sacramento County and Folsom. I have visited EDH for the last so many years scouting for houses () , and no one should tell me that it's the same as Folsom. Folsom is a land-locked and yet pricey city, so we packed in as many housese as humanly posible. On top of that the affordable housings are packed in the area nears where I live.

[cybertrano]

The Democratic leaning county government wants to make its constituents happy (the affordable housing babes), without addressing the potential "problems" their constituents may bring to a community.

[cybertrano]

And common now babe, Don't give me the guilty trip. It doesn't move me. I came from a very poor background.

I think the most vocal opponents of low income housing here may never have been in those "shoes".  Either that or they have short term memory.  I find it hard to believe that anyone would consider leaving Folsom on that reason alone. 

I love California and Folsom.  If you can do better then go for it.  As for any potential newcomers - WELCOME.  Those of us left behind after the exodus will be glad to have you.  We especially welcome those who are happy and don't judge everyone on income and status alone.  That includes the teachers of our children, the protectors of our community and those less fortunate.  If you are lucky enough to qualify for this tiny number of low income units then congrats and welcome.

[Cloud9]

For the record, Serrano is NOT a private community, it is a gated community within El Dorado County.  El Dorado County is required, by State Law, to provide for affordable housing, just like Folsom, Sacramento and the rest of the region.  From discussions with ED County Supervisors, there is affordable housing planned for the area just across the Freeway (south) from Serrano, near the business park, and adjacent to our SOI.  Maybe the grass isn't that much greener across the County line?

Across the freeway wouldn't have been a bad idea for Folsom....

[apeman45]

Cyber - I'm not the one crying. You are! If you don't like it here move. I could care less about your background, nationality, political leanings or income. I still welcome you as a neighbor as I welcome anyone to this community.

[Kerri Howell]

The lawsuit with Legal Services of Northern California, and the City's previous (and up to the moment, ongoing) lack of affordable housing was for the area within the City's current boundaries. The area south of the freeway, referred to as the SOI, is not within our boundaries, it is still controlled by Sacramento County, not the City of Folsom. Therefore, building affordable housing in the SOI was not an option for meeting the requirements of State Law within the City of Folsom. In addition, whether the SOI is within our boundaries or just a next door neighbor, do you really feel that building lots of affordable housing all at one location is a good thing? I would be happy to chat electronically if you want to e-mail me directly.

[cybertrano]

No, people like you

No, really I care about my city and that's why I speak out. You have your own priority and I have mine. You don't care about who live next to you but I do.

Cyber - I'm not the one crying.  You are!  If you don't like it here move.  I could care less about your background, nationality, political leanings or income.  I still welcome you as a neighbor as I welcome anyone to this community.

[Orangetj]

By the way EDH Serrano doesn't have affordable housing, not even apartments.   

According to the news they have plenty of asbestos, though!

[cybertrano]

True

According to the news they have plenty of asbestos, though!

[Cloud9]

In addition, whether the SOI is within our boundaries or just a next door neighbor, do you really feel that building lots of affordable housing all at one location is a good thing?

Well, that's certainly the way it feels for some people in South Folsom.

As I understand it, there is affordable housing going up across from Intel (by Safeway) on Iron Point, more affordable housing will be built next to the HS on Iron Point, and continue along Iron Point and there's another community with affordable housing being built forget the name of that intersection.

Personally, I'm not too concerned, but some of our neighbors have sold and moved to EDH, and others are in the process of selling and moving, because they felt that the affordable housing wasn't fairly distributed throughout Folsom.

They look at Empire Ranch and say, "Where is the affordable housing component to Empire Ranch? North Folsom? etc.

My question is really one that is much more basic. How could the city have allowed us to get into this mess to begin with? Why wasn't affordable housing planned and accounted for all along in every single Folsom community for the last XXX years?

[CataBird]

agreed 100%.  It's all liberal politic crap.  This country, or at least California, has become a socialist society slowly.  :D

Right you are, Paul!

The following is the body of an email I received today. It is apparently making "the rounds." You'll love it!

OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the
summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible


MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the
summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and
demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering
grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a
table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a
country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, "It's Not Easy Being Green."

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where
the news stations film the group singing, "We shall overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Tom Daschle & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Peter Jennings
that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both
call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."

Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper
Act,"retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for
failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a
defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of
the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house,
now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Vote Republican

[ngilbert]

The one I heard was kinda like that:

OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the
summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks ants are useful idiots with their faith to the Queen Ant and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. The grasshopper has actually never had to work a day in his life because he's living off a trust fund, his great grandfather having sheltered his earnings generations ago (having won a no-bid government contract by greasing politicians' palms) in an off shore account in the Cayman Islands.

The grasshopper sees how industrious the ants are and, since he's bigger and more powerful than the ants and actually owns the ants' land, is able to take the fruits of their labor and force the ants and the ants' children to work for him in order to survive. When any ants protests, the grasshopper reminds them that this is the will of the Queen Ant.

The grasshopper declares war on the crickets, but of course the grasshopper is too important to be bothered with combat, so he sends the ants to battle the crickets instead. Some ants are worried and question the wisdom of this war, but Ann Coulter writes a book called "Some Ants Should Be Hanged as Treasonous Traitors and You Know Who You Are. All Hail the Grasshopper!", which pretty much silences all debate. Also, the grasshopper reminds the ants that they fight in the name of the Queen Ant, and if they question that then they must not be very good ants, and the grasshopper alone has claimed the authority to tell which ants are good devout ants (the way he tells them the Queen Ant wants them to be) and which ants are immoral unpatriotic ants.

At some point the ants realize that they have been lied to all along, and their faith has been used against them and they've been manipulated to turn against each other for the grasshopper's benefit, and so they devour the grasshopper, leaving nothing but a twitching pair of grasshopper legs and little pieces of grasshopper wing chunks.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Ants play hardball