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[camay2327]

The Folsom police want anyone that saw them racing, or saw the accident happen to contact them.

Please do so no matter how little you think your information might help.

[folsom500]

After reading this entire thread I have to say that I am very sorry that one life was lost and 2 others will forever be changed. I feel for the family and friends of the lady, but also for the families of the 2 boys that will have to face their charges in surely a life altering way...
If they are guilty- then I support the time they will pay ,but what a shame ...

And to answer Mike on the 'every 15 minutes' - IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE--- I know that first hand.. it may not catch all but it sure puts some strong inputs into a lot of kids...

Do HS have Driver education anymore ?

[Dave Burrell]

Have you ever removed items from your vehicle after an accident? I'm not trying to take away from this tragedy, but it is what most people do. Also people handle high stress situations differently. Maybe this kid was taught to show no remorse when things like this happen.

>>> I don't know of anyone who would be more concerned about anything in their car after having just killed someone with it. Get real! That shows no sign of remorse whatsoever, in fact its very callous and self absorbed. Makes me think the punk couldn't have cared less that he just murdered someone.

I will do the math and considering I have been very involved in racing and R&D for companies that build for racing I am going to say that I am kind of familiar with this sort of thing. Both of those cars are no faster than the Solara that the lady was driving. As a matter of fact, a Toyota Corolla S is faster than the Stealth. Witnessess???? You assume that I wasn't there.
If you knew the road very well then you would understand that the Stealth based on it's weight and roadhandling capabilites (which suck) would not be able to make this turn at 80+ mph. The Stealth is a tank and has massive body roll. At that speed it would have spun out.

>>>>Ah, thus the reason you are defending their actions, now it makes sense. Where do you race professionally? Thats comical to hear you say that a BMW is no faster then a Solara.
Hmmm, why did you note we are assuming you weren't there. So were you one of the passengers then? I'll take a guess you were in the BMW based on your notes?

I am not saying that this isn't a horrible thing. I just hate when people all of a sudden jump to conclusions over hearsay.

What conclusion has been jumped to? they killed a mother with their stupidity and ignorance - and their parents were idiots to give their irresponsible children such cars capable of high speeds - doesn't anyone have any brains? no matter what you say or how you try to justify it - they were in the WRONG and they now committed a crime - vehicular manslaughter.

Stop trying to defend the crime your friends just committed. If that were my wife I'd be making each and every single one of you pay dearly for what you did

[Dave Burrell]

I did not see it happen, but I was in the area. Trust me, I wouldn't be hiding any information from the police. I am a law abiding citizen. I was merely trying to point out that it was automatically assumed that I wasn't there.

??? you were either there or you weren't - which one is it?

If you weren't there - then how can you claim to have so much knowledge about the accident - as if you had witnessed it

[tgianco]

Stop trying to defend the crime your friends just committed. If that were my wife I'd be making each and every single one of you pay dearly for what you did

That's exactly what I've been thinking. It's hard not to place yourself in that position.

[FolsomBarb]

Stop trying to defend the crime your friends just committed. If that were my wife I'd be making each and every single one of you pay dearly for what you did

Well said, davburr, well said!

[Robert Giacometti]

I saw the husband on TV last night and that was a heartwrenching interview.

We have heard where witnesses reported the vehilces were traveling 60 to 80 mph earlier on Iron PT....but that doesn't mean they were traveling that fast when the accident occurred. That is a pretty wide range of speeds, being observed by citizens who may NOT be experts in determining speeds.

As Ducky pointed out, they will bring in accident reconstruction experts in to try and determine how fast the vehicle was going when the driver hit the brakes. They will come up with a pretty accurate conclusion on how fast the vehilce was traveling.

Many of you have commented on the dangers of that intersection. I suspect there will also be experts brought in to add their testimony on how the design of the intersection contributed to the accident. ( I know many of us will be upset at this, but it is reality).

Maybe excessive speed contributed to the accident and fatality. Lets all slow down and remind those who we love to slow down also.

[Dave Burrell]

Read more carefully... she wasn't dead at the scene.

so it was ok because she didn't die at the scene? I'm sorry but I don't understand this logic at all.

I have not and will not ever race on the street. Any racing I did was at a sanctioned event on a track.

Very good to hear, wish kids could be taught that a track is the ONLY place cars should EVER race.

[stacycam]

Read more carefully... she wasn't dead at the scene.

You need to chill out.

WHAT? That boy plowed into the side of a woman's car. Whether she was dead or just hurt, that child is indefensible. I am utterly disgusted that ANYONE would think it would be okay to retrieve speakers when there was a victim hurt. You nauseate me that you are defending this. I hope you are friends with these people because then I could possibly understand your position. If you are not closely associated with them, then it is pathetic that you have so little regard.

It makes me so sad and disgusted to think people have gotten to the point that material possessions now come before human lives. I have great pity for people who are so heartless.

[mylo]

Sometimes kids don't get the full meaning of what they have done until way afterwards. What teen do you know that isn't self centered.

I don't know many murderous teens.

[Chad Vander Veen]

Why is it you can't own a handgun till you're 21 but you can own the most lethal machine in the world at age 16?

[benning]

I'm sorry, folks but my heart bleeds for everyone involved, including the kids.

I feel sorry for the people on this forum who rush to judge these kids who clearly made a fatal mistake.
For the record:
ANY car could be deadly under those circumstances.
We do NOT know how fast the cars were going.
We do NOT know the level of fault of both cars -- I think it's been speculated that each was at fault to some extent
We can NOT conclude based on the supposed statement about the stereo that these people are heartless -- anyone who has ever been in a severe accident knows that you go into A STATE OF SHOCK. We know someone whose 12 year old brother was in the pool with a couple of other kids, one sunk to the bottom (drowning) and neither kid went to get help - they totally ignored it and went into denial momentarily because THEY WERE IN SHOCK.

I for one would not get any comfort from a severe vs normal level of punishment for this...taking out revenge does not bring my loved one back.

[iJason]

so it was ok because she didn't die at the scene? I'm sorry but I don't understand this logic at all.

I am not trying to make light or side with chris v, but maybe the kids didn't have a chance to see the woman since she was still alive at the scene. The paramedics were probably in a hurry to get the woman to the hospital, where they weren't able to save her.

[tgianco]

I'm sorry, folks but my heart bleeds for everyone involved, including the kids.

I feel sorry for the people on this forum who rush to judge these kids who clearly made a fatal mistake.
For the record:
ANY car could be deadly under those circumstances.
We do NOT know how fast the cars were going.
We do NOT know the level of fault of both cars -- I think it's been speculated that each was at fault to some extent
We can NOT conclude based on the supposed statement about the stereo that these people are heartless -- anyone who has ever been in a severe accident knows that you go into A STATE OF SHOCK. We know someone whose 12 year old brother was in the pool with a couple of other kids, one sunk to the bottom (drowning) and neither kid went to get help - they totally ignored it and went into denial momentarily because THEY WERE IN SHOCK.

I for one would not get any comfort from a severe vs normal level of punishment for this...taking out revenge does not bring my loved one back.

You are a friggin piece of work. Don't tell others not to rush to judgement and then tell others you feel "sorry" for them.

[Dave Burrell]

Sometimes kids don't get the full meaning of what they have done until way afterwards. What teen do you know that isn't self centered.

I know a lot of teens who aren't so self centered. But I think thats a key resulting difference between parents who ignore their teen and just give them lots of gifts to "buy" their love versus parents who actually care and put time into their kids and are a full part of their child's life.

The part I really have a problem with is that those punks did not care about what they had just done -they were more concerned with their precious car that mommy and daddy gave them and getting their stuff out and they didn't even acknowledge the fact that they just committed a serious crime and hurt someone. That goes to show you that their parents did a lousy job bringing them up with no morals, no respect and no regard for anyone but themselves, they are only concerned about materialistic things vs human life - thats sad and pathetic that some parents raise their kids that way - like these kids so obviously were.

The cops should have hauled them off to jail right then and there and not let them gather their things from their car.

People does it matter if they were doing only 60mph or 80mph? the stinkin' speed limit is 45 - period!

I also don't understand how those punks could have no remorse. If I hit anyone regardless of whether they were injured or not, I'd be freaked out that I made a mistake that caused harm to someone else - but I guess thats called being accountable for your actions - again something those punks were obviously never taught by their slacker parents.