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Folsom Family Found Dead
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:08 PM
QUOTE(old soldier @ Jan 18 2007, 12:39 PM) 
the reason the prison folks check on employees is there is the chance that a guard made somebody mad and the friends on the outside could be gettin even.
There's that, and also if it's a couple who both work there, and *neither* show up (and aren't answering the phone either), then your coworkers would be even more worried.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:49 PM
I was sent a PM from Sandman requesting all information put in by s/he on this subject to be deleted. It has been done.
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That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 04:21 PM
I know this is a sensitive subject, but has anyone found out why? Very sad for the families and for the Dept of Corrections at Folsom since they just lost another office yesterday in a car accident.
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Having watched so many crime shows of late, I had some thoughts about this situation.
The question of why there was a daughter in the home came to me. Did she still live at home or was she visiting?
It is important to note that this daughter could have been the source of an argument.
I know of several couples who have grown children, which put a lot of stress on their relationship. In this day of permissive parenting, the young people never learn to be responsible and are of the impression they can always count on Mom or Dad to hand them their rent money when they haven't been. They maybe spent the rent money on a big weekend or a new pair of shoes. And of course these same young people tend to move back home after they have lost their jobs or broke up with their live in partner. This is not a much better situation most of the time. Spoiled children turn into unstable adults.
I don't mean to sound judgmental. But we all know at least one parent in our lives who spoils their children.
A friend, a family member or a neighbor.....there are some who just can't say "NO" to their precious little darlings.
It can ruin a marriage and I've seen this happen right in my own family. Parents argue about one or the other of them spoiling the kids, and before you know it, they get a divorce. Mom gets a boyfriend, and he too gets tired of Mom being taken for every dime she has. The grown kids tell Mom she could do better than that boyfriend, because they don't like his interference, and being cut off from their easy money. Pressures mount, and the next thing you know, there is the boyfriend packing or worse, causing violence.
Of course this is just guessing on my part. All I'm saying is, there has to be a reason the daughter was in the home when this happened and for it to come to the point of this type of violence, there had to be a huge argument first.
It's really sad when situations like this end in violence and death. People thinking that killing will solve a problem are not right in the head. I don't know, but I'd bet there were drugs involved also.
And, how could gun shots NOT be heard by the neighbors? It's not like the houses are that far apart! That's if all the victims were shot. They said there was a gun involved, so I'm thinking all were shot.
At any rate, it's hard to think that your hard working, middle class neighbors could be the kind to pick up a gun and start shooting, isn't it? I wonder how much support and counseling these prison workers get. That sort of job has to be very stressful.
Of late, I've felt a lot of tension in the air and a feeling that everyone is on edge. This was a sad, sad thing to have happened. If one looks back on the news, of the past week or so, Sacramento County has had a surge of killings.
It certainly makes one wonder why all these killings is happening now! As you can see, I'm up late and losing sleep over this. I just hate to see this sort of thing happen to people.
The question of why there was a daughter in the home came to me. Did she still live at home or was she visiting?
It is important to note that this daughter could have been the source of an argument.
I know of several couples who have grown children, which put a lot of stress on their relationship. In this day of permissive parenting, the young people never learn to be responsible and are of the impression they can always count on Mom or Dad to hand them their rent money when they haven't been. They maybe spent the rent money on a big weekend or a new pair of shoes. And of course these same young people tend to move back home after they have lost their jobs or broke up with their live in partner. This is not a much better situation most of the time. Spoiled children turn into unstable adults.
I don't mean to sound judgmental. But we all know at least one parent in our lives who spoils their children.
A friend, a family member or a neighbor.....there are some who just can't say "NO" to their precious little darlings.
It can ruin a marriage and I've seen this happen right in my own family. Parents argue about one or the other of them spoiling the kids, and before you know it, they get a divorce. Mom gets a boyfriend, and he too gets tired of Mom being taken for every dime she has. The grown kids tell Mom she could do better than that boyfriend, because they don't like his interference, and being cut off from their easy money. Pressures mount, and the next thing you know, there is the boyfriend packing or worse, causing violence.
Of course this is just guessing on my part. All I'm saying is, there has to be a reason the daughter was in the home when this happened and for it to come to the point of this type of violence, there had to be a huge argument first.
It's really sad when situations like this end in violence and death. People thinking that killing will solve a problem are not right in the head. I don't know, but I'd bet there were drugs involved also.
And, how could gun shots NOT be heard by the neighbors? It's not like the houses are that far apart! That's if all the victims were shot. They said there was a gun involved, so I'm thinking all were shot.
At any rate, it's hard to think that your hard working, middle class neighbors could be the kind to pick up a gun and start shooting, isn't it? I wonder how much support and counseling these prison workers get. That sort of job has to be very stressful.
Of late, I've felt a lot of tension in the air and a feeling that everyone is on edge. This was a sad, sad thing to have happened. If one looks back on the news, of the past week or so, Sacramento County has had a surge of killings.
It certainly makes one wonder why all these killings is happening now! As you can see, I'm up late and losing sleep over this. I just hate to see this sort of thing happen to people.
So here I am. The youngest daughter of Bonnie.. I read theposts on this site not too long after I found out about what had happen which I will explain further on.
My sister the "precious little darling" was staying at my moms house because she was the victim of an abusive relationship. We were trying to get her out of the situation by coming up here and figuring her life out.
And drugs eh? I wish my mother was here to read this.. with what she would have to say im sure she would be booted off of this forum so fast it would nake your head spin.
so next time before you try to get all CSI id keep in mind that there still is a family and this is the WORLD WIDE WEB.
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In regards to the way this whole ordeal was handled.
Wednesday the 17th was my day off from my job in EDH. I tend to sleep in.. A LOT.
I noticed my boss had called me repeatedly.. So I called him back of course and he asked me what i saw doing and where i was i of course said i just woke up and im laying in my bed. he then told me he had to go and would call me back. I then decided to call one of my coworkers to see what the deal was. she seemed like something was very wrong and just kept telling me to call my boss back. frustrated from being woken up on my day off i hung up and just retreated back to my comfy bed. not more than two minutes later and old friend from highschool called me and was like "holly what the hell is going on?" im so irritated at this point all i had to say was "you tell me!". she then told me that she thought she had just seen my mom's house on tv for a split second and said that it looked weird and that i should probably go over there.
so finally i rise outta bed go into my living room tell my boyfriend dan that we need to head over to the house to see whats going on.. i only live over by the original junior high so it only took a few minutes. on the drive dan and i joked about how my mom had recently been talking baout how she was going to buy a lottery ticket and maybe she won the lottery.. what the mind will think of when you dont want to think of the worst. as we pull into the neighborhood my whole court is policed taped off and theres helicopters and news reporters everywhere. my first thoughts are of anger thinking about how my sister was probably stuck in the court unable to leave since my mom and larry were at work! i park my car and instantly and reporter runs up to me and asks me where im trying to go.. i tell her my moms house and she asks the address.. i give it to her and she instantly puts her hand over her mouth and tells ne how sorry she is.
at this point i am like WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON. she tells me i should sit in my car and takes my boyfriend aside. as she whispers into his ear i see him drop to the ground bawling. now i realise something has happened.. i jump out of the car and dan runs to me and stutters "mom is dead". so for awhile there is a lot of emotion and things i need not get into.
once all this emtion is noticed by the police they come over and realise who i am and take me behind police lines to hide me from the media.. who for some reason still put a shot of me up on the five o'clock news. i am then instantly rushed to the police station for questioning.. which really made things worse because they decided to leave me locked in an interrogation room for 20 mins by myself.
im sorry to tell such a long story.. i just feel like something from the family needed to be on here.
thank you to the people who have supported the family through this time.. all the people who came to the service.. (btw i did my very best to keep my talking part upbeat but it was really difficult!)
Thank you for all the flowers and cards.
my mother and sister were truly amazing people.. im not sure if any of you heard but the inmates in my mothers building petitioned to have a service for her at the greystone chapel at FSP. and take it from me, it was amazing to hear what these men had to say about my mother.
Im not sure if anyone would like to donate or give to anything but my mom was deeply involved in a non profit called the village of hope.. www.villageofhope.com
they take paypal...
anyways
Wednesday the 17th was my day off from my job in EDH. I tend to sleep in.. A LOT.
I noticed my boss had called me repeatedly.. So I called him back of course and he asked me what i saw doing and where i was i of course said i just woke up and im laying in my bed. he then told me he had to go and would call me back. I then decided to call one of my coworkers to see what the deal was. she seemed like something was very wrong and just kept telling me to call my boss back. frustrated from being woken up on my day off i hung up and just retreated back to my comfy bed. not more than two minutes later and old friend from highschool called me and was like "holly what the hell is going on?" im so irritated at this point all i had to say was "you tell me!". she then told me that she thought she had just seen my mom's house on tv for a split second and said that it looked weird and that i should probably go over there.
so finally i rise outta bed go into my living room tell my boyfriend dan that we need to head over to the house to see whats going on.. i only live over by the original junior high so it only took a few minutes. on the drive dan and i joked about how my mom had recently been talking baout how she was going to buy a lottery ticket and maybe she won the lottery.. what the mind will think of when you dont want to think of the worst. as we pull into the neighborhood my whole court is policed taped off and theres helicopters and news reporters everywhere. my first thoughts are of anger thinking about how my sister was probably stuck in the court unable to leave since my mom and larry were at work! i park my car and instantly and reporter runs up to me and asks me where im trying to go.. i tell her my moms house and she asks the address.. i give it to her and she instantly puts her hand over her mouth and tells ne how sorry she is.
at this point i am like WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON. she tells me i should sit in my car and takes my boyfriend aside. as she whispers into his ear i see him drop to the ground bawling. now i realise something has happened.. i jump out of the car and dan runs to me and stutters "mom is dead". so for awhile there is a lot of emotion and things i need not get into.
once all this emtion is noticed by the police they come over and realise who i am and take me behind police lines to hide me from the media.. who for some reason still put a shot of me up on the five o'clock news. i am then instantly rushed to the police station for questioning.. which really made things worse because they decided to leave me locked in an interrogation room for 20 mins by myself.
im sorry to tell such a long story.. i just feel like something from the family needed to be on here.
thank you to the people who have supported the family through this time.. all the people who came to the service.. (btw i did my very best to keep my talking part upbeat but it was really difficult!)
Thank you for all the flowers and cards.
my mother and sister were truly amazing people.. im not sure if any of you heard but the inmates in my mothers building petitioned to have a service for her at the greystone chapel at FSP. and take it from me, it was amazing to hear what these men had to say about my mother.
Im not sure if anyone would like to donate or give to anything but my mom was deeply involved in a non profit called the village of hope.. www.villageofhope.com
they take paypal...
anyways
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:41 AM
QUOTE(H.Lathum @ Mar 15 2007, 10:55 PM)
In regards to the way this whole ordeal was handled.
Wednesday the 17th was my day off from my job in EDH. I tend to sleep in.. A LOT.
I noticed my boss had called me repeatedly.. So I called him back of course and he asked me what i saw doing and where i was i of course said i just woke up and im laying in my bed. he then told me he had to go and would call me back. I then decided to call one of my coworkers to see what the deal was. she seemed like something was very wrong and just kept telling me to call my boss back. frustrated from being woken up on my day off i hung up and just retreated back to my comfy bed. not more than two minutes later and old friend from highschool called me and was like "holly what the hell is going on?" im so irritated at this point all i had to say was "you tell me!". she then told me that she thought she had just seen my mom's house on tv for a split second and said that it looked weird and that i should probably go over there.
so finally i rise outta bed go into my living room tell my boyfriend dan that we need to head over to the house to see whats going on.. i only live over by the original junior high so it only took a few minutes. on the drive dan and i joked about how my mom had recently been talking baout how she was going to buy a lottery ticket and maybe she won the lottery.. what the mind will think of when you dont want to think of the worst. as we pull into the neighborhood my whole court is policed taped off and theres helicopters and news reporters everywhere. my first thoughts are of anger thinking about how my sister was probably stuck in the court unable to leave since my mom and larry were at work! i park my car and instantly and reporter runs up to me and asks me where im trying to go.. i tell her my moms house and she asks the address.. i give it to her and she instantly puts her hand over her mouth and tells ne how sorry she is.
at this point i am like WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON. she tells me i should sit in my car and takes my boyfriend aside. as she whispers into his ear i see him drop to the ground bawling. now i realise something has happened.. i jump out of the car and dan runs to me and stutters "mom is dead". so for awhile there is a lot of emotion and things i need not get into.
once all this emtion is noticed by the police they come over and realise who i am and take me behind police lines to hide me from the media.. who for some reason still put a shot of me up on the five o'clock news. i am then instantly rushed to the police station for questioning.. which really made things worse because they decided to leave me locked in an interrogation room for 20 mins by myself.
im sorry to tell such a long story.. i just feel like something from the family needed to be on here.
thank you to the people who have supported the family through this time.. all the people who came to the service.. (btw i did my very best to keep my talking part upbeat but it was really difficult!)
Thank you for all the flowers and cards.
my mother and sister were truly amazing people.. im not sure if any of you heard but the inmates in my mothers building petitioned to have a service for her at the greystone chapel at FSP. and take it from me, it was amazing to hear what these men had to say about my mother.
Im not sure if anyone would like to donate or give to anything but my mom was deeply involved in a non profit called the village of hope.. www.villageofhope.com
they take paypal...
anyways
Wednesday the 17th was my day off from my job in EDH. I tend to sleep in.. A LOT.
I noticed my boss had called me repeatedly.. So I called him back of course and he asked me what i saw doing and where i was i of course said i just woke up and im laying in my bed. he then told me he had to go and would call me back. I then decided to call one of my coworkers to see what the deal was. she seemed like something was very wrong and just kept telling me to call my boss back. frustrated from being woken up on my day off i hung up and just retreated back to my comfy bed. not more than two minutes later and old friend from highschool called me and was like "holly what the hell is going on?" im so irritated at this point all i had to say was "you tell me!". she then told me that she thought she had just seen my mom's house on tv for a split second and said that it looked weird and that i should probably go over there.
so finally i rise outta bed go into my living room tell my boyfriend dan that we need to head over to the house to see whats going on.. i only live over by the original junior high so it only took a few minutes. on the drive dan and i joked about how my mom had recently been talking baout how she was going to buy a lottery ticket and maybe she won the lottery.. what the mind will think of when you dont want to think of the worst. as we pull into the neighborhood my whole court is policed taped off and theres helicopters and news reporters everywhere. my first thoughts are of anger thinking about how my sister was probably stuck in the court unable to leave since my mom and larry were at work! i park my car and instantly and reporter runs up to me and asks me where im trying to go.. i tell her my moms house and she asks the address.. i give it to her and she instantly puts her hand over her mouth and tells ne how sorry she is.
at this point i am like WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON. she tells me i should sit in my car and takes my boyfriend aside. as she whispers into his ear i see him drop to the ground bawling. now i realise something has happened.. i jump out of the car and dan runs to me and stutters "mom is dead". so for awhile there is a lot of emotion and things i need not get into.
once all this emtion is noticed by the police they come over and realise who i am and take me behind police lines to hide me from the media.. who for some reason still put a shot of me up on the five o'clock news. i am then instantly rushed to the police station for questioning.. which really made things worse because they decided to leave me locked in an interrogation room for 20 mins by myself.
im sorry to tell such a long story.. i just feel like something from the family needed to be on here.
thank you to the people who have supported the family through this time.. all the people who came to the service.. (btw i did my very best to keep my talking part upbeat but it was really difficult!)
Thank you for all the flowers and cards.
my mother and sister were truly amazing people.. im not sure if any of you heard but the inmates in my mothers building petitioned to have a service for her at the greystone chapel at FSP. and take it from me, it was amazing to hear what these men had to say about my mother.
Im not sure if anyone would like to donate or give to anything but my mom was deeply involved in a non profit called the village of hope.. www.villageofhope.com
they take paypal...
anyways
HI and thank you for sharing. Even though we didnt know your family, it touched us very deeply as we live down the street. Did they ever solve the case? If it is to hard to talk about I understand. These kinds of things leave everyone wondering why?
Thank you for sharing the donation site, I will be sure to spread it around.
My deepest sympathies!
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 11:49 AM
Holly, how horrible this has been for you! There's never a "good" way to handle such news, but once the press gets hold of a story one would think that efforts to reach next of kin would be redoubled. My deepest sympathies to you and Dan. I liked your description of your sister -- it brought her to life in print.
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QUOTE(H.Lathum @ Mar 15 2007, 10:58 PM)
So here I am. The youngest daughter of Bonnie.. I read theposts on this site not too long after I found out about what had happen which I will explain further on.
My sister the "precious little darling" was staying at my moms house because she was the victim of an abusive relationship. We were trying to get her out of the situation by coming up here and figuring her life out.
And drugs eh? I wish my mother was here to read this.. with what she would have to say im sure she would be booted off of this forum so fast it would nake your head spin.
so next time before you try to get all CSI id keep in mind that there still is a family and this is the WORLD WIDE WEB.
My sister the "precious little darling" was staying at my moms house because she was the victim of an abusive relationship. We were trying to get her out of the situation by coming up here and figuring her life out.
And drugs eh? I wish my mother was here to read this.. with what she would have to say im sure she would be booted off of this forum so fast it would nake your head spin.
so next time before you try to get all CSI id keep in mind that there still is a family and this is the WORLD WIDE WEB.
Now you are hearing from the oldest daughter of Bonnie. I, too, read all of this early on and found most of what posted extremely insensitive and rude. In fact, through this entire tragic loss of our mother and sister we have seen some of the most obnoxious sides of people and yet we also have received great amounts of love and support from many more thoughtful individuals.
I would hope that what ultimately comes from my sister and I sharing our thoughts with you all on this forum is that maybe people would step back and think about the surviving victims and their murdered loved ones in cases like this. Before posting murder victims names prior to the next of kin being informed, which is the case for me, or making extremely judgmental comments, that they put themselves in surviving victims shoes. If your mother and sister were murdered women found in their home, would you like to read what some of these postings said about them or their tragic deaths? Just something to ponder.
In closing, I would like to confirm and extend our family's appreciation to those who have been supportive to us over the past 6 months, such as the neighbors, friends, insurance agents, FSP coworkers, FSP Honor Guard, and the list goes on...they have helped make our grieving more bearable.
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QUOTE(victim of a crime @ Jul 6 2007, 08:30 PM)
Now you are hearing from the oldest daughter of Bonnie. I, too, read all of this early on and found most of what posted extremely insensitive and rude. In fact, through this entire tragic loss of our mother and sister we have seen some of the most obnoxious sides of people and yet we also have received great amounts of love and support from many more thoughtful individuals.
I would hope that what ultimately comes from my sister and I sharing our thoughts with you all on this forum is that maybe people would step back and think about the surviving victims and their murdered loved ones in cases like this. Before posting murder victims names prior to the next of kin being informed, which is the case for me, or making extremely judgmental comments, that they put themselves in surviving victims shoes. If your mother and sister were murdered women found in their home, would you like to read what some of these postings said about them or their tragic deaths? Just something to ponder.
In closing, I would like to confirm and extend our family's appreciation to those who have been supportive to us over the past 6 months, such as the neighbors, friends, insurance agents, FSP coworkers, FSP Honor Guard, and the list goes on...they have helped make our grieving more bearable.
Victim of a Violent Crime
I would hope that what ultimately comes from my sister and I sharing our thoughts with you all on this forum is that maybe people would step back and think about the surviving victims and their murdered loved ones in cases like this. Before posting murder victims names prior to the next of kin being informed, which is the case for me, or making extremely judgmental comments, that they put themselves in surviving victims shoes. If your mother and sister were murdered women found in their home, would you like to read what some of these postings said about them or their tragic deaths? Just something to ponder.
In closing, I would like to confirm and extend our family's appreciation to those who have been supportive to us over the past 6 months, such as the neighbors, friends, insurance agents, FSP coworkers, FSP Honor Guard, and the list goes on...they have helped make our grieving more bearable.
Victim of a Violent Crime
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Thanks for coming on this forum and explaining your views.
Sorry for your loss.
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That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 08:32 PM
I pray that you and your family are filled with your mother and sisters loving spirit. You have voiced yourself eloquently, with kindness and grace . I am sure that the people that added their posts , unknowingly added to your grief. There is no way that anyone could even imagine what a loss you have experienced. This is a reminder to all of us to be aware of the things we say and post. I am sorry for your loss.
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