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[Andrea V]

Exactly the same. One animal killing another, as animals do.

Not the same. Having humans set up 2 pets to kill each other is not the same as 1 pet killing a non-domesticated animal, with out any human help at all.

Not the same.

[Steve Heard]

Not the same. Having humans set up 2 pets to kill each other is not the same as 1 pet killing a non-domesticated animal, with out any human help at all.

Not the same.

I don't get your logic. You are saying that cats naturally attack birds, correct?

I don't think anyone would argue that dogs have forever been attacking cats.

I'm not talking about someone 'setting up' pets to kill.

Going by your premise of 1 pet killing a non-domesticated animal without any human help, is wonderful and admirable and a source of pride, then it should be just as joyous and admirable for you to witness a pet pit-bull or any other dog for that matter to kill a cat, as long as it's not domesticated, and I'd have to believe there are plenty of feral cats in Folsom.

You liken the shark or other wild animal making a kill to your cat doing the same. Why is it different if a dog kills a cat? Is it because you like cats but don't care about birds?

[Andrea V]

I don't get your logic. You are saying that cats naturally attack birds, correct?

I don't think anyone would argue that dogs have forever been attacking cats.

I'm not talking about someone 'setting up' pets to kill.

Going by your premise of 1 pet killing a non-domesticated animal without any human help, is wonderful and admirable and a source of pride, then it should be just as joyous and admirable for you to witness a pet pit-bull or any other dog for that matter to kill a cat, as long as it's not domesticated, and I'd have to believe there are plenty of feral cats in Folsom.

You liken the shark or other wild animal making a kill to your cat doing the same. Why is it different if a dog kills a cat? Is it because you like cats but don't care about birds?

It would be different if I put the bird in a cage and then instigated them to attack.

But the cat did it on her own -with a bell around her neck-

I like my cat. She went on her own and hunted. caught something. And I think it is cool

You could make it equal with a pit-bull and say.... a raccoon that got in your yard. That seems more "nature" then a cat and a dog.

[MrsTuffPaws]

I think the problem is that your cat is a domestic cat, and not a wild one....

In the "wild" little house cats would not exist. House cats have been domesticated, with human interference, for centuries. Since they are a human by-product, they are a human responsibility. Just because a house cat can "turn feral" and survive on its own in the wild, does not make it right.

Pictures of a bobcat eating a mouse will not elicit the same response as a house cat eating a mouse. It's just not the same thing. True, house cats retain some primal instincts, but we, as caretakers, must satisfy these dulled down instincts with playtime, and games. Not with the mutilation of natural wildlife.

Look at Australia. Their native life has been decimated by little house cats. It's a shame that humans think they can "release" their pets into the wild, and it will all just work out. This is also the reason that California continues to prohibit ferrets as pets. We do not trust ourselves not to let them roam free, and kill everything in their paths.

I too have a couple of house cats. I am not a perfect person, against my better judgment I let them outside sometimes for a little supervised play time. More than once, this resulted in the death of a native lizard. While I praise my cat for doing what she thinks is best, I mourn for the lizard, and beat myself up about letting the cat out. The cat killing prey is not something to be proud of.

It's tough to be a responsible pet owner. Whether it be a cat, a dog, a bird or a reptile. You've just got to keep in mind that these animals depend on you. And it is your job to keep the pet safe, and out of harm's way. At the same time, this will often keep other animals/people safe and out of your pet's way as well.

[Andrea V]

I too have a couple of house cats. I am not a perfect person, against my better judgment I let them outside sometimes for a little supervised play time. More than once, this resulted in the death of a native lizard. While I praise my cat for doing what she thinks is best, I mourn for the lizard, and beat myself up about letting the cat out. The cat killing prey is not something to be proud of.

You are waaaay more sensitive then I am. (meant nicely)

I would NEVER mourn a lizard, and I'd NEVER beat myself up for letting the cat out because it ate an animal.

MAYBE that is why you don't like the post, and think it is all just fine.

I don't feel bad for the other animals. Even the shark video, I just don't feel bad for the poor seals.

I don't feel bad for the bird either. if the bird did not hear the JUNGLE JINGLE of the loud bell around the cats neck, then survival of the fittest.

I did not even know she could catch birds, never mind a good size one! AND with a BELL around her neck!!!!!!! I think it was super cool! And I shared.

My cat PWNED a bird.

[chris v]

I don't get your logic. You are saying that cats naturally attack birds, correct?

I don't think anyone would argue that dogs have forever been attacking cats.

I'm not talking about someone 'setting up' pets to kill.

Going by your premise of 1 pet killing a non-domesticated animal without any human help, is wonderful and admirable and a source of pride, then it should be just as joyous and admirable for you to witness a pet pit-bull or any other dog for that matter to kill a cat, as long as it's not domesticated, and I'd have to believe there are plenty of feral cats in Folsom.

You liken the shark or other wild animal making a kill to your cat doing the same. Why is it different if a dog kills a cat? Is it because you like cats but don't care about birds?

I ouwld love to see a dog tear apart a feral cat... Damn things spraying all over the place.

[Steve Heard]

I ouwld love to see a dog tear apart a feral cat... Damn things spraying all over the place.

The problem is, it may actually be someone's pet cat out on the hunt for a bird, jus' doin' what comes naturally

[chris v]

Alright, honestly, heres how I really feel about it. If a cat got into someones back yard and their dog killed it, oh well. The cat was being stupid and died as a result. Now if someones dog came into our backyard or my yard and harmed the cat or hell, even my kid, I wouldn't hesitate to kick it in the face.

[nhardy]

Alright, honestly, heres how I really feel about it. If a cat got into someones back yard and their dog killed it, oh well. The cat was being stupid and died as a result. Now if someones dog came into our backyard or my yard and harmed the cat or hell, even my kid, I wouldn't hesitate to kick it in the face.

What if Chupacabras came into your back yard and tried to attack your cat? Would you kick it in the face too?

[chris v]

Hell no, I would call La Llorona and we would party...

[MrsTuffPaws]

What if Chupacabras came into your back yard and tried to attack your cat? Would you kick it in the face too?

Clearly, chupacabras are the result of human DNA experiments combined with greenhouse gasses and toxic waste. Chupacabras are our creation, and therefore our responsibility. We must embrace the chupacabra, and forgive it for its ravenous behavior, for it knows not what it does.

Please do not kick a chupacabra. A stern "No" and perhaps a squirt from a waterbottle, or a shake of a tin can filled with pennies is all you need to reprimand one. Physical beating of a chupacabra will only reinforce that humans cannot be trusted, and are to blame for all thier woes.

Remember, since we engineered the chupacabra, either through accident, or on purpose, the chupacabra is our responsibility, and should not be ignored, or shoved in the closet when company comes over.

[Andrea V]

Hell no, I would call La Llorona and we would party...

[FolsomFrogGuy]

And why do cats gotta give you funny looks when you matter of factly tell them they are fat? None of my dogs ever did--they just turn their heads-cock their ears up and drool at you.




And granted-I never had a dog bring me a "gift" after hunting in the form of prey--

Good thing for us, since our beagle does his hunting in the cat's litter box!

Yup--cats sure are fickle about the way they show they love ya.

Ps--I too am a bird lover--but I don't want to see animals get hurt. Mostly-I thinktha's a private thing between predator and prey--and in your case--the benefactor.

Yep... San Fran has fewer song birds thanks to their outside and stray cat population. Although I have an outside cat, who I know distributes his double-processed food around the neighborhood, I do my best to discourage him from attacking the more charasmatic or beneificial wildlife. I suspect he was responsible for a dead dark eyed junco I found under our patio table a week ago, but I can't be sure.

Good move in removing the pic... Poor taste indeed... Post your hunting catches instead...unless it's of the gutless sort where you use a team of radio-collared dogs to do all the work for you!

[FolsomFrogGuy]

Alright, honestly, heres how I really feel about it. If a cat got into someones back yard and their dog killed it, oh well. The cat was being stupid and died as a result. Now if someones dog came into our backyard or my yard and harmed the cat or hell, even my kid, I wouldn't hesitate to kick it in the face.

Self defense is perfectly appropriate. Sadly, a dog that would kill a cat in someone's yard, would be just as likely to kill a small child that was likewise "being stupid" by climbing a fence after a ball...

[MSgt]

Self defense is perfectly appropriate. Sadly, a dog that would kill a cat in someone's yard, would be just as likely to kill a small child that was likewise "being stupid" by climbing a fence after a ball...

I don't believe that to be true. Cat's are a dogs natural prey.