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[Dave Burrell]

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I was about to say that, you beat me to it.

but---if this is a simple misunderstanding and the cop used to be "allowed" to take it--then I think it's another story.

I kinda wonder though---why Malabars? Didn't they just change to a new name within the last year or so? Have they had a recent management changeover--and certain "ways of doing things" were not known?

that is my point! but I get insulted for being logical and asking for evidence.... sheesh

[ChipShot]

that is my point! but I get insulted for being logical and asking for evidence.... sheesh

Your defense of the officer is not logical, given what we know/public record.

BTW, what time will your garage door be open later??

[ducky]

So if I give permission to a homeless person to take whatever bottles and cans they want out of the blue recycle container I put out every other week before the city picks it up, does the city have the right to say I can't do that?

[Robert Gary]

So, who put this cop's name in the media? If it is a misdemeanor why such attention....If he stole some grease, does this mean his kids'

All arrest records are public. Several officers are arrested and suspending of duty. How is that not news?

[Robert Gary]

So if I give permission to a homeless person to take whatever bottles and cans they want out of the blue recycle container I put out every other week before the city picks it up, does the city have the right to say I can't do that?

Yes, is a violation of I believe city code and possibly state law. BTW: I saw nothing in the report that said the resturant owner had spoken to the cops and given them permission to take this.

-Robert

[Robert Gary]

Plus how can you claim they were stealing when Malabar (the owner of the grease) wasn't the one that called in the theft?

Why does the rendering company have claims on the grease? that's why I said they would need to prove they have a contract - aka ownership of the used grease - is that too much to ask to have substantial evidence that there really is a crime and a victim? - if they do indeed have a contract with malabar - then they parties are indeed guilty - period.

Ok, if the owner comes out and says he allowed the officers to take it, that would be a different story. Then the internal affairs officer that made the arrest should be suspended.

Maybe I'm assuming knowledge here. When I was in college I ran a restaurant. Yes, you have a contract with the grease company just like you have a contract with the private garbage company. The grease truck doesn't just come onto private property and take the grease, you have to have a contract. Back then the grease was used as a base in perfume.

-Robert

[Orangetj]

OK then heck I think we need to start arresting all the homeless people and recyclers who go thru all the trash cans around town too

Lets start filling up our courts and jails with thousands of people who are "stealing" trash

yeah that makes a lot of sense

I'm with you on this, Davburr. The grease doesn't seem analagous to an old car or junk in a garage. It seems closer in nature to the trash in a container out on the street on garbage day. Would it be a crime for my neighbor to come over and take all the recyclables from my trash can? I sure wouldn't think so.

Unless there was a contract between the rendering company and malabar making the grease the property of the rendering company or unless old used grease actually isn't refuse, then it doesn't seem there's any actual crime.

[ducky]

Yes, is a violation of I believe city code and possibly state law. BTW: I saw nothing in the report that said the resturant owner had spoken to the cops and given them permission to take this.

-Robert

What city code and what state law says the city owns my refuse?

[EDF]

hey...

cops are held to a higher standard....

and if they aren't....then no one is going to trust the system...

for example... in light of this scandal going on now in the "sub-prime" mortgage meltdown... someone needs to go to jail.. "big time"... otherwise we'll never have respect for our institutions...

so when you get down to the local level... ? if we allow this man to get away with his when he's wearing a badge... if it's a misdemeanor... it doesn't mean jail... but it should mean he's "outa there"....

Give him his retirement...but get him outa there...

[ChipShot]

hey...

cops are held to a higher standard....

and if they aren't....then no one is going to trust the system...

for example... in light of this scandal going on now in the "sub-prime" mortgage meltdown... someone needs to go to jail.. "big time"... otherwise we'll never have respect for our institutions...

so when you get down to the local level... ? if we allow this man to get away with his when he's wearing a badge... if it's a misdemeanor... it doesn't mean jail... but it should mean he's "outa there"....

Give him his retirement...but get him outa there...

Thanks, EDF, for recognizing the obvious.

The guy displayed a major, major lack of proper judgment.

Time for him to go golfin' and fishin'.

[Dave Burrell]

Your defense of the officer is not logical, given what we know/public record.

BTW, what time will your garage door be open later??

I'll leave a bucket of used grease outside for you

[Dave Burrell]

I'm with you on this, Davburr. The grease doesn't seem analagous to an old car or junk in a garage. It seems closer in nature to the trash in a container out on the street on garbage day. Would it be a crime for my neighbor to come over and take all the recyclables from my trash can? I sure wouldn't think so.

Unless there was a contract between the rendering company and malabar making the grease the property of the rendering company or unless old used grease actually isn't refuse, then it doesn't seem there's any actual crime.

Thanks for seeing the logic here, glad to know I'm not the only one who sees it this way

[Bill Z]

Your defense of the officer is not logical, given what we know/public record.

What do we know from public record? An accusation of a crime. A turning oneself in.

But to the best of my knowledge at the moment, we lack a conviction.

Everything else seems to be pretty much speculation, heresay, and opinion.

I hope the court takes a more logical review of whatever the evidence is in support of alleged crimes as well as any evidence in support of innocence.

[ChipShot]

Yes, R.G. you are right on point...!!

The fact that irish1 agrees with us should be all you need to know.

And the fact that there was 6 months of investigation, ending with an arrest, is pretty telling.

I like those "facts".

[Robert Gary]

What do we know from public record? An accusation of a crime. A turning oneself in.

But to the best of my knowledge at the moment, we lack a conviction.

Everything else seems to be pretty much speculation, heresay, and opinion.

I hope the court takes a more logical review of whatever the evidence is in support of alleged crimes as well as any evidence in support of innocence.

I don't recall any news report that they were conviected. The news report is that they were arrested. Arrests are public record.
I hope a court takes notice that these guys accused of this small crime will likey be called into court to testify against others accused of small crimes as law enforcement officals. I would love to be that defense attorney.

"Now officer Jones, you said you saw my client steal a dress at Wal-Mart. Isn't it true that you yourself were arrested for stealing this year as well? Would you like this jury to believe that one thief is a better witness than another?" HEHEHE. That would be great!!!

-Robert