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[Steve Heard]

I personally have been edited because of two very vocal (lets say) people, who no matter what they say, they get away with their more than rude comments. I do not know who they have an in with, but it must be nice.
I like this forum, I just think that the two who are always on here are very rude and unhappy people with nothing better to do.
My opinion. I love this forum except for them and I am sure others agree.

Who are you speaking of? None of the couples on the forum have an 'in' with us, and there are several moderators, so they'd have to have an 'in' with all of us to prevent getting censored.

I sense a growing double standard on here, but that is no different than what happens in society all the time today anyway. I just try and do my best to deal with it and point it out as it arises.

Please do point it out. I don't see it. If it were my forum, I'd probably delete all of the anti-Obama crap because it is not constructive, it's mean-spirited, and our president hasn't even had what 80 days in office and he's expected to perform miracles. I don't delete those threads, however, because that WOULD be a double standard. There was a lot of Bush bashing on the forum over the years, although people generally had the courtesy to allow him time to screw up before the bashing began.

[camay2327]

Who are you speaking of? None of the couples on the forum have an 'in' with us, and there are several moderators, so they'd have to have an 'in' with all of us to prevent getting censored.


Please do point it out. I don't see it. If it were my forum, I'd probably delete all of the anti-Obama crap because it is not constructive, it's mean-spirited, and our president hasn't even had what 80 days in office and he's expected to perform miracles. I don't delete those threads, however, because that WOULD be a double standard. There was a lot of Bush bashing on the forum over the years, although people generally had the courtesy to allow him time to screw up before the bashing began.

And, Steve, would you have deleted all the Anti-Bush stuff??? Of course you wouldn't and didn't. As far as I can see a person can slam Obama if they want to.

[Steve Heard]

And, Steve, would you have deleted all the Anti-Bush stuff??? Of course you wouldn't and didn't. As far as I can see a person can slam Obama if they want to.

That's exactly my point. I didn't delete the Bush-bashers nor the Obama-bashers. I just think it shows a double standard by those used to defend Bush, and who accused anyone who dared to question his actions of 'hating America'. To criticize our President was to hate America, they said.

Now, you can actually openly state your wish that our President, and therefore our country, fails, and that's okay.

[Robert Giacometti]

Please do point it out. I don't see it. If it were my forum, I'd probably delete all of the anti-Obama crap because it is not constructive, it's mean-spirited, and our president hasn't even had what 80 days in office and he's expected to perform miracles. I don't delete those threads, however, because that WOULD be a double standard. There was a lot of Bush bashing on the forum over the years, although people generally had the courtesy to allow him time to screw up before the bashing began.

Double standards are like art or pornograhy, I know it when I see it.

I do agree with you about the incessant attacking of Obama about trivial unimportant things. The reality is Bush was attacked over similiar things, however 2 wrongs never make a right.

I can't recall exactly what was said the first time Bush was elected, nor am I going to waste time going backwards to look into what was said, but I do recall some sniping and complaining by those who were opposed to him. When he was relected and tried to push new programs ( privatization of SS) there were substantial criticism of him on this forum, despite just getting relected.

One of the biggest double standards I see consistently is when people accuse others of hatred and intolerance simply becasue they have a different perspective or belief on issues. One side is allowed to call names and the other isn't. The reality is NO ONE should be allowed to call names or apply labels.

As I said earlier we are all imperfect and all have biases. I just accept the fact the world isn't perfect and try to point out inconsistencies without being personal, calling names or apply labels.

I can only control my actions.

[mary56]

It is not very respectful to come on this thread and talk S*** about people. I think it is very rude, and kind of kills the whole point of this thread....

but I guess I expect that coming from you two though.

Oh I was not talking bad, just merely voicing my opinion, like you and your husband.
Have a Happy Easter

[mary56]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I thought only modertaors could edit or delete others' posts. If this is true then are you expressing your concerns about some moderators?

I look at the forum this way, no one on here is perfect, all of us have some biases and people will disagree on just about any subject that is posted about. I think its best to try and treat people by the golden rule and it makes every thing nicer. The only thing each and everyone of us can control is what we write.

I sense a growing double standard on here, but that is no different than what happens in society all the time today anyway. I just try and do my best to deal with it and point it out as it arises.

That is true, and I do not think the moderators are rude by any means. They are trying their best. I in no way meant it towards them.
There are some people that are very vocal and get away with certain things and others do not. That is all. It happens everywhere. I must not phrase my statements properly, I guess and I get tagged. Oh well, I can live with it. NO big deal.

[NorCalGal]

I believe Mary56 was saying she was happy to see that the moderators will be doing something about the negative or bashing comments. Yes, this is a forum and people can speak their minds but they don't need to verbally attack, bash, or talk S*** about others, for whatever the topic of the thread maybe. Thats just my opinion.

[eVader]

That's exactly my point. I didn't delete the Bush-bashers nor the Obama-bashers. I just think it shows a double standard by those used to defend Bush, and who accused anyone who dared to question his actions of 'hating America'. To criticize our President was to hate America, they said.

Now, you can actually openly state your wish that our President, and therefore our country, fails, and that's okay.

For the most part, cleaning up the political threads would have the biggest impact. There are good posts there for the most part but jeez some of it is just carp especially those with "stinkin'" everything and leftist threads solely created to bait and bash.

As to last year, there were anti-X on both sides and it turned very ugly with some very heated arguments and name calling. It certainly wasnt a debate which has intellectual points and respect.

[bookwom]

For the most part, cleaning up the political threads would have the biggest impact. There are good posts there for the most part but jeez some of it is just carp especially those with "stinkin'" everything and leftist threads solely created to bait and bash.

As to last year, there were anti-X on both sides and it turned very ugly with some very heated arguments and name calling. It certainly wasnt a debate which has intellectual points and respect.

I feel that when one poster says that another poster "makes him sick", that is a personal attack and not pertinent to the issue at hand. However, that is my humble opinion, and does not seem to be shared by the powers that be.

[mary56]

I believe Mary56 was saying she was happy to see that the moderators will be doing something about the negative or bashing comments. Yes, this is a forum and people can speak their minds but they don't need to verbally attack, bash, or talk S*** about others, for whatever the topic of the thread maybe. Thats just my opinion.

Yes, that is what I was saying. Thank you

[Robert Giacometti]

I feel that when one poster says that another poster "makes him sick", that is a personal attack and not pertinent to the issue at hand. However, that is my humble opinion, and does not seem to be shared by the powers that be.

I agree with you 100%

I'd also add when one poster calls another intolerant or labels tham as being hateful, that too is a personal attack and not pertinent to the issue at hand. It seems the name calling standard get selectively enforced, with a double standard.

[eVader]

I agree with you 100%

I'd also add when one poster calls another intolerant or labels tham as being hateful, that too is a personal attack and not pertinent to the issue at hand. It seems the name calling standard get selectively enforced, with a double standard.

Perhaps it would help if there was an escalation point if after reporting a posting to the MODs and it gets ignored or mild hand slap, STD, John or someone may want to review it in an attempt to mellow the threads out a bit. I don't know who should or if it needs to be but there is more than a few people complaining of favoritism or ignoring name calling and this could be a solution until the everyone is happy (and you can never ever satisfy everyone btw).

Is the namecalling and objectionable posting throughout the forum or is it confined to specific sub forums like politics?

[bookwom]

Perhaps it would help if there was an escalation point if after reporting a posting to the MODs and it gets ignored or mild hand slap, STD, John or someone may want to review it in an attempt to mellow the threads out a bit. I don't know who should or if it needs to be but there is more than a few people complaining of favoritism or ignoring name calling and this could be a solution until the everyone is happy (and you can never ever satisfy everyone btw).

Is the namecalling and objectionable posting throughout the forum or is it confined to specific sub forums like politics?

I see it mostly in the politics section.

[Bill Z]

I feel that when one poster says that another poster "makes him sick", that is a personal attack and not pertinent to the issue at hand. However, that is my humble opinion, and does not seem to be shared by the powers that be.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Yes, it may be personal, but it isn't an attack, it is stating how one feels about what the other said.

For example. Some one says they agree with that mom who drove her son over to meet with another kid so he could beat the other kid up (presumably you remember the incident from the news and/or this forum), and if I was to respond with, "man, that attitude really makes me sick", you believe I have made a personal attack. What about the attack upon my sensibilities that parents shouldn't be enabling their kids to get violent on other kids to resolve their problems.

Now calling someone names or telling them their momma wears combat boots (ok, maybe something worse than that) I would consider a personal attack.

But to say that another persons opinion is revolting to them is telling them how they feel about what the person said, it isn't attacking them.

[bookwom]

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Yes, it may be personal, but it isn't an attack, it is stating how one feels about what the other said.

For example. Some one says they agree with that mom who drove her son over to meet with another kid so he could beat the other kid up (presumably you remember the incident from the news and/or this forum), and if I was to respond with, "man, that attitude really makes me sick", you believe I have made a personal attack. What about the attack upon my sensibilities that parents shouldn't be enabling their kids to get violent on other kids to resolve their problems.

Now calling someone names or telling them their momma wears combat boots (ok, maybe something worse than that) I would consider a personal attack.

But to say that another persons opinion is revolting to them is telling them how they feel about what the person said, it isn't attacking them.

The person I am thinking of often says things like "people like you make me sick" which is different from " what you just said makes me sick". In my opinion its in the same category as what Robert was complaining about, being called "intolerant" or "hateful" based on an opinion expressed. When you label a person who disagrees with you as "sick" or "intolerant" etc., you then absolve yourself from actually having to listen and consider their point of view. I see it as a completely antithetical to reasoned discussion, and would like to see it limited on this forum. Personally, I have refrained from posting at times just because I didn't want to deal with the personal attacks that would inevitably come my way.