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[anonymous]

[tgianco]

I use the term good neighbor as a person who considers others, like their neighbor. A person who buys a house and doesn't  keep up the house or yard by maintaining the basics like mowing, weeding, painting when necessary should go back to renting or hire someone to do these tasks. If I work hard to maintain my yard, like weeding and the person next door doesn't, I have to work twice as hard because their weeds are now mine.

It's an understandable sentiment, but it doesn't seem to be considerate of others, either. Your neighbors should do their best to keep up w/ their housework/ yardwork, but sometimes there are circumstances that we don't always know about (illness, old age, family emergency) that take precedence over these chores.

Also, just because we all live in Folsom doesn't mean that everyone has the means to hire a housekeeper, a gardener or whatever help the proverbial "Jones" family has.

I do agree a best effort should be made, but it's not really a determinate on who should or shouldn't be able to buy a home. We would all like a neighbor that has a perfectly clean home w/ a perfectly manicured lawn, but we also live in the real world. If you want that, there are communities like Serrano where it is required (not telling you to move).

I agree w/ the gist of what you're saying, but, until we walk in someone else's shoes, we shouldn't really pass judgment on their worth as a neighbor b/c some chores go wanting.

[anonymous]

Actually I have taken busy, illness and other things into consideration but 1 year is plenty of time to meet your obligations as a neighbor. I for one can't hire a housekeeper or a gardener, so I do it myself. I could care less what someone's house looks like in the inside, it doesn't effect anyone but yourself. The outside is another matter and you do owe it to your neighbors to make an attempt! If you never plan on maintaining the outside of your home, buy a condo or in Serrano where they take care of it for you!

[anonymous]

[tgianco]

Actually I have taken busy, illness and other things into consideration but 1 year is plenty of time to meet your obligations as a neighbor. I for one can't hire a housekeeper or a gardener, so I do it myself. I could care less what someone's house looks like in the inside, it doesn't effect anyone but yourself. The outside is another matter and you do owe it to your neighbors to make an attempt! If you never plan on maintaining the outside of your home, buy a condo or in Serrano where they take care of it for you!

Agreed. Just wanted to clarify that stuff does happen in people's lives that make it impossible or just much less of a priority. Letting the hosue go completely to pot is wrong. I have seen some homes like that around here, but I don;t want to rush to judge.

[FolsomWake]

Well, I had a large diatribe of what neighborly means, the intent & application of CC&R's, but that just adds fuel to the fire which is not what I want to do.

I am on my second boat in this neighborhood and have never had an issue with any of my neighbors and the boat. They all know who I am, have my phone number, and know they can talk to me about it at any time. Most of the time my boats have been/are parked in the garage, occasionally it stays a day or two in the driveway when I need full access to my garage, and on even more rare occasions when I will be using it again within 24 hours it stays hooked up and parked in front of my house.

Bottom line - if you feel my boat is an eyesore or a safety hazard, come knock on my door and express your concern and it will be rectified as necessary. Shoot, you might even make a new friend in the neighborhood instead of making me bitter about having to read about it in a public forum. That's neighborly. Anyone hear Mr. Rodgers in the background

[doug72]

  rectified as necessary. 

Hmmm...sounds like some possible double-speak to me...

[Terry]

Well, I had a large diatribe of what neighborly means, the intent & application of CC&R's, but that just adds fuel to the fire which is not what I want to do.

I am on my second boat in this neighborhood and have never had an issue with any of my neighbors and the boat.  They all know who I am, have my phone number, and know they can talk to me about it at any time.  Most of the time my boats have been/are parked in the garage, occasionally it stays a day or two in the driveway when I need full access to my garage, and on even more rare occasions when I will be using it again within 24 hours it stays hooked up and parked in front of my house.

Bottom line - if you feel my boat is an eyesore or a safety hazard, come knock on my door and express your concern and it will be rectified as necessary.  Shoot, you might even make a new friend in the neighborhood instead of making me bitter about having to read about it in a public forum.  That's neighborly.  Anyone hear Mr. Rodgers in the background

Just remember, whether you want to interpret the "intent & application of CC&R's..." you signed an agreement to abide by them AS THEY WERE WRITTEN.

Bottom line - if you feel you want to re-interpret the agreement you signed to live where you live, maybe you should instead move elsewhere so those in your current neighbhood can enjoy the environment they had expectations of when they signed their agreements.

[Folsom Daycare Provider]

Terry, THANK YOU! my thought exactly

[FolsomWake]

Absolutely agree, if I do not like it I can always move. The CC&R's are only as good as each neighbor enforces them. Anything could be written in them but if we do not enforce them they don't matter. If I have an issue with something, I talk to my neighbor, guess what I just enforced the CC&R's (if it even was a CC&R violation). Like I said above, if there is an issue, come talk to me. I have seen lots of talk but only a few take actions. If you are unwilling to take action, you can always move to somewhere like the Parkways where they pay someone to strictly enforce the CC&R’s.

Reality is that if we did an audit of every house in the neighborhood I am sure we would find many violations, but how many are really issues that are causing the neighborhood harm (you live next to them and are the HOA so you decide)? As with any law in any state/city/county/whatever they only get enforced when it is a severe enough violation, how many people on this thread drive over 65 on the freeway? Whether we agree on that or not it is reality. I know there is another thread going on regarding satellite dishes where some neighbors are saying it does not bother them. Well we just set the precedent that only CC&R violations which bother us get enforced.

There are many people on my street who occasionally do things against CC&R's, but they are not anything permanent or harmful so I do not care. And where they push the boundary of a good neighbor we have a discussion and resolve the issue, all I ask is for the same courtesy. Do you want to live in a neighborhood where everyone is looking over everyone else's shoulder for CC&R violations or do you want to use them as an enforcement tool when good neighbor rules fail?

Don’t get me wrong, I completely understand what I signed and the value in it. I also completely agree there have been some severe violations in the past and I agree they should have been taken care of. But I also want to be very cautious of what we ask for because in the end it might not really be what we want.

[doug72]

Hmmm...I sense some "spin" going on here...reading between the lines, it looks like you will basically use YOUR judgment and not really concern yourself with the CCR's...in my opinion, the CCR's are pretty clear and should be abided by...no exceptions.....

[folsom500]

Hmmm...I sense some "spin" going on here...reading between the lines, it looks like you will basically use YOUR judgment and not really concern yourself with the CCR's...in my opinion, the CCR's are pretty clear and should be abided by...no exceptions.....

Depend on where you live- and mostly if there is a body that will or can enforce them-
Many of the Folsom neighborhoods( as in other towns) have CCR and have no enforcement body anymore to do anything about the CCR violations-
Not saying I agree with the disregard for some of the CCR, but others are surely purely a wish list of things the original developer would like to see,
IMO if something fails the codes via the city- then call code enforcement as many neighborhoods have nothing else to rely on-
Sure - a group of neighbors could get a petition or use verbal suggestive powers ( as we have done with boats and trailers on the street , among other things) but unless there is a HOA or CCR enforcement group- good luck trying to enforce them...
Oh- and should you -et all think that those that might complain about lack of control to a CCR in a non- enforcement area- likely is- they have one or two violations as well...


Cheers
F500

[doug72]

All I'm saying is that decent people know what's right and what's wrong...they signed the thing, for Christs sake...they are allegedly adults and should be able to police themselves instead of having the neighbors "remind" them of things...I mean, do I really need to hold your hand and explain the rules...bottom line: there are just bad people and bad neighbors, and you know who you are !!!

[FolsomWake]

Yeah, you are right, you should not have to police your neighbors or remind them of the rules that we all signed. However I also beleive there is some acceptable leeway within most rules, including our CC&R's if acceptable to your nighbors. The only way I know it is unnaceptable to my neighbors is that they tell me.

So we can argue all day about if you should strictly adhere to the rules or if you should be able to apply some logic and acceptable leeway, it is opinion and we will get nowhere arguing it in a public forum. It still boils down to anything you allow your neighbors to get away with will be considered acceptable if you do nothing about it.

Decent people do know what's right and wrong, and it has nothing to do with if you adhere to your CC&R's 100%. If my nieghbors are happy with the way we maintain our nighborhood and you do not consider me a decent person because it does not strictly adhere to our CC&R's, well I think I can deal with that and it's the least of my worries at the end of the day.

[Terry]

Yeah, you are right, you should not have to police your neighbors or remind them of the rules that we all signed.  However I also beleive there is some acceptable leeway within most rules, including our CC&R's if acceptable to your nighbors.  The only way I know it is unnaceptable to my neighbors is that they tell me.

Why would you do that to your neighbors? I mean, you're putting them in a position of having to explain to you that your non-adherence to the CC&Rs is offensive to them. They shouldn't have to do that! They signed CC&Rs and expected adherence by their neighbors. And now you want to put the burden on them to approach you and tell you your actions are unacceptable! That really kind makes you a bully doesn't it? I would bet 50% or more of the population wouldn't approach you to tell you your actions are unacceptable, but that certainly doesn't mean they're not pissed off that you can't abide by the CC&Rs you agreed to.

See the other topic on this forum regarding "honor". And look in the mirror.