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[Robert Giacometti]

We all have the same definition. It is someone who sleeps who others of the same sex. Swmr appeared to be pointing out that not all gay men actually believe they are gay. What they themselves believe does not change who they are though.

Is one then NOT gay unless they sleep with someone of the same sex?

Does anyone else have any other definition of what being gay is?

[rpo]

Is one then NOT gay unless they sleep with someone of the same sex?

Does anyone else have any other definition of what being gay is?

Someone can absolutely be gay without ever acting on their inhibitions.

[caligirlz]

Is one then NOT gay unless they sleep with someone of the same sex?

Does anyone else have any other definition of what being gay is?

Definition of Homosexuality

According to the formal definition by Merriam–Webster, the term homosexual is defined as “of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same gender.”

The word homosexual (whether it refers to both men and women – “gay,” or women only – “lesbian”) has its roots in the Greek language, where “homo” means the same or similar, hence indicating the focus of sexual attraction towards people of the same gender. This is the opposite of “heterosexual,” which also has its roots in the Greek language, where “hetero” indicates “different, distinct”, underlining the fact that sexual attraction is targeted towards individuals of the opposite gender.

[caligirlz]

Wow.

Wow

Change Agent is defined as a person who leads change within the organization, by championing the change, and managing and planning its implementation. The role can be official or voluntary; must be representative of the user population, understand the reasoning behind the change, and help to communicate the excitement, possibilities, and details of the change to others within the organization.

The intention is not always negative.

[Robert Giacometti]

Swmr appeared to be pointing out that not all gay men actually believe they are gay. What they themselves believe does not change who they are though.

This is implying that some people seem to be confused about their sexuality. If this is true, then wouldn't it be logical to then accept that some men may think they are gay but really they are not?

If the above is true, then its possible under California law (now) that we may be teaching students about the accomplishments of someone, inaccurately portraying them as gay, when they maybe they aren't?

[ducky]

This is implying that some people seem to be confused about their sexuality. If this is true, then wouldn't it be logical to then accept that some men may think they are gay but really they are not?

If the above is true, then its possible under California law (now) that we may be teaching students about the accomplishments of someone, inaccurately portraying them as gay, when they maybe they aren't?

I think you are on to something that I've been wondering about since I heard about this. I know in some cases, especially in more recent history, it will be easy to confirm whether someone was actually gay because it's more open now, but how will it be determined to be an accurate portrayal in times where that wasn't so? I know it may be a dumb question, but that's never stopped me from asking before.

Also, I do hope our school system would take into account age appropriate-ness in these matters. For example, according to a book I read, George Washington said something funny to General Henry "Ox" Knox as he got into the boat in December 1776 to cross the icy Delaware, something that probably would have made history more interesting to me in middle school or high school, but, in my opinion, wouldn't be appropriate information for a third grader and best to leave it at he was our first president.

Will this cost more money for the schools to get revised textbooks?

[The Average Joe]

Back to the OP. The most heinous part of this legislation is that any negative FACTS are not allowed to be presented. That is not education, that is PROPAGANDA.
For example, Harvey Milk, one of the gay icons will undoubtedly be presented as a hero to the LGBT society, but they will not be able to include his statutory rape (sexual relations with a disturbed but willing 16 year old boy). Will they mention the following?

Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street." The 1982 book detailed Milk's sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men:

"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)
"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)

"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

I think that could reflect negatively on the gay hero, so I'm sure it will be left out. The gall to have a Harvey Milk Day in CA (May 22 in case you missed it) and elevate him to the same status as Presidents, MLK and others is telling of the agenda. He may have advanced the gay agenda, but he was no MLK.

Propaganda my friends...propaganda...

[Barb J]

Good point Ducky and Robert - and what about those historical figures who don't want to be identified as gay. We may have suspicions but who's to say that what is defined as gay in todays standards wouldn't be defined differently 300 years ago! Who are we to put labels on people?

Barb J

[Chris]

Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street." The 1982 book detailed Milk's sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men:
"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)
"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)
"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)

Exactly Joe, I've said this before about Milk here on the forum, that he was a pedophile and went after the young homeless and kids in need on the streets of SF. Just switch it around and have him be hetero, Republican, and going after 16 year old girls, would he still be a political hero....? I think not, more like in jail. Chris

[rpo]

A long time ago my son told me he had a teacher that everybody said was weird/gay. I asked him why they thought that and the answer was that his teacher seemed to give the male students much more attention, to the point of offering to tutor them in his home.

Years later my son told me everyone of the boys that that teacher tutored was known to be gay.

That does not mean that those boys turned out gay because of this teacher, only that this teacher may have had some sexual activity with minors, which is against the law.

You are seriously making the leap from a teacher offering assistance with tutoring to claiming he was sleeping with his students BECAUSE SOME OF THEM TURNED OUT TO BE GAY? Are you serious?

...And gay adult males have been known to provide drugs and money to minors, in return for sex.

I realize you have a deep hatred for gay people, but you are taking some leaps on this thread that is making my head spin. Your arguments are clearly based in the false belief that gays have a higher rate of statutory rapes.....a claim that you are trying to hatefully propagate on this forum.

It is sickening.

[The Average Joe]

And gay adult males have been known to provide drugs and money to minors, in return for sex.

So have straight males. The percentage of gay men in the population and the percentage of gay pedophiles seems to correlate. A pedophile (or child molester <cough Harvey Milk>) is the way they are regardless of if they are gay.