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#61 chris v

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Marriage is about God. Everything else can be performed by the justice of the peace. And the only thing that should be recognized by the gov. should be performed only by the justice of the peace as merely a contractual paper.
No, I'm not a perfect Christian. I recognize everyone does things they later regret. I also recognize that every has their own set of values in what is important to you. Im not here to criticize a persons lifestyle. I am only here to speak on behalf of myself on the OP original question.

Yes, God did make requirements on marriage and divorce, it is in the bible. For both.

And that is why I feel marriage should be a church function and not a State recognized form of identity, for State functions. There is a passage in the Bible about that, too. Separating God's laws and human laws.

Yes, I was married in a church prior to having children. Along with a 1 year plus engagement before beginning pre-marital counseling.


Marriage is about god for YOU. I have a certificate of marriage and I fit none of your criteria. I married at 19 after conceiving a child and 14 years later I'm still married. Are you? God had nothing to do with it or my wedding.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

Why are you shouting?

And which part? Me saying that equality should be a government endorsement, not a marriage license?

What is your objection to everyone having the same license, government created- since it is government rights everyone is seeking in order to find equality?


One of your many statements was 'Marriage is about God' And 'Yes, God did make requirements on marriage and divorce, it is in the bible. For both.'

I was just pointing out the whole 7 Days is probably pretty high up there on the list of 'God things'. AND in the bible. And most of us know how that really turned out.

I have No Problem with a government-issued license for EVERYONE, but since the Government is currently requiring a 'GODLY Marriage License' that's where the rub is.

Marriage is about god for YOU. I have a certificate of marriage and I fit none of your criteria. I married at 19 after conceiving a child and 14 years later I'm still married. Are you? God had nothing to do with it or my wedding.


Chris V, I take back every bad thing I ever said or thought about you!!!

But seriously, leave my train tracks alone!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

Why are you shouting?

And which part? Me saying that equality should be a government endorsement, not a marriage license?

What is your objection to everyone having the same license, government created- since it is government rights everyone is seeking in order to find equality?

To me it is similar to how I view people that use foul language... that being...

Strong language is a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:11 PM

Yes, God did make requirements on marriage and divorce, it is in the bible. For both.

And that is why I feel marriage should be a church function and not a State recognized form of identity, for State functions. There is a passage in the Bible about that, too. Separating God's laws and human laws.


Which part of the bible is it in?, the newer part? or the stone age part that includes those zany Leviticus passages?
Is only the newer part of the bible meant to be followed, or do some parts of the world still adhere to all of it?

Now I'm all confused, so if marriage is only in the church, does that mean every single marriage at wedding chapels, vegas and so on weren't marriages after all? because no church was involved? ooohh wait a minute, what really qualifies as a church? those wedding chapels look churchy enough and they follow some kind of religion (even if it is just worshipping money). Does this mean Hindu people can't get married? or is there some kind of qualifier as to which religions can call get to call it marriage and which religions aren't religious enough to qualify? This is getting hard to figure out... who's god is the real God that gets to call the union a marriage?

It's even more confusing trying to figure how committed a couple is if they didn't get married in the church, are they only half married?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:11 PM

To me it is similar to how I view people that use foul language... that being...

Strong language is a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:13 PM

I don't get the difference between a marriage and a union. Why are we associating marriages with church if one can get married outside of a church?

I don't require acknowledgment from any religious organization, but would want the legal protections and rights afford to me and my partner from the government and have it recognized everywhere. I don't care if it's called marriage. If religions want to own "marriage," that's fine by me.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:16 PM

People who have a "marriage license" and not Christians are still living the same sinful life as the LGBT community.

Why would you lump together "all divorces" and connect them to Christianity?

Wow. Just Wow. If you're not Christian you are a sinner. Unbelievable.

And if you are lumping "marriage" with Christianity "divorce" should be too.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:56 PM

I don't require acknowledgment from any religious organization, but would want the legal protections and rights afford to me and my partner from the government and have it recognized everywhere. I don't care if it's called marriage. If religions want to own "marriage," that's fine by me.

I don't want religions to 'own' marriage. They can own their marital ceremonies, but not the term. THey never have, so there is no need to award them the term. We can have religious marriage and secular marriage. How's that?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

I don't want religions to 'own' marriage. They can own their marital ceremonies, but not the term. THey never have, so there is no need to award them the term. We can have religious marriage and secular marriage. How's that?


How about marriage for all the level headed thinkers and cult rituals for all the... rest

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:24 PM

Wow. Just Wow. If you're not Christian you are a sinner. Unbelievable.

And if you are lumping "marriage" with Christianity "divorce" should be too.


Wowie! I missed that statement, that's a humdinger...... So that answers my questions above to supelady

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:28 PM

I don't want religions to 'own' marriage. They can own their marital ceremonies, but not the term. THey never have, so there is no need to award them the term. We can have religious marriage and secular marriage. How's that?

That works just fine for me!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:31 PM

Wow. Just Wow. If you're not Christian you are a sinner. Unbelievable.

And if you are lumping "marriage" with Christianity "divorce" should be too.


If you don't believe in God, you wouldn't consider yourself a sinner, or a shacker--would you? It wouldn't bother you, because you have no doubt in your mind--whatsoever, that the God other people believe in....is not your God.

So then you feel there should be a dissolution of contract, instead of a divorce?

I'm fine with it being called that.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:37 PM

If you don't believe in God, you wouldn't consider yourself a sinner, or a shacker--would you? It wouldn't bother you, because you have no doubt in your mind--whatsoever, that the God other people believe in....is not your God.

So then you feel there should be a dissolution of contract, instead of a divorce?

I'm fine with it being called that.

No. I'm not talking about the divorce thing. I'm talking about you branding anyone who is married but not a Christian a sinner. I'm absolutely blown away by the judgment. Christians don't own marriage. Get off your high horse and quit judging others.

Additionally, you don't want divorce to be a religious thing, you just want marriage to be a religious thing. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:46 PM

She just doesn't want to look like a hypocrite because I believe she has been divorced.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:47 PM

Which part of the bible is it in?, the newer part? or the stone age part that includes those zany Leviticus passages?
Is only the newer part of the bible meant to be followed, or do some parts of the world still adhere to all of it?

Now I'm all confused, so if marriage is only in the church, does that mean every single marriage at wedding chapels, vegas and so on weren't marriages after all? because no church was involved? ooohh wait a minute, what really qualifies as a church? those wedding chapels look churchy enough and they follow some kind of religion (even if it is just worshipping money). Does this mean Hindu people can't get married? or is there some kind of qualifier as to which religions can call get to call it marriage and which religions aren't religious enough to qualify? This is getting hard to figure out... who's god is the real God that gets to call the union a marriage?

It's even more confusing trying to figure how committed a couple is if they didn't get married in the church, are they only half married?


Dude, there is a healthy dose of reading involved to answer all those questions. I may not be the right person to explain it to you. I know what I believe, and it sounds to me that you pretty much answered most of the questions yourself. Marriage is not just some fancy wedding ( or cheap Vegas chapel) ceremony, beautiful dresses, expensive gifts...etc. Marriage is more than just saying I do in front of a bunch of smiling people and getting your picture taken from a hundred different angles. Marriage is the actual pact two people share with God. All the outrage, all the anger, all the euphemisms attacking me--set them aside. They are nothing compared to the simple truth that faith, love and honesty is required from the deepest set of your soul to make that pact.

Other religions? They probably have their own ceremonies and name for it, Just another reason in this country where there is so much diversity why there should be one government entity that people apply for a contract for legal rights after they have completed their own spiritual traditions as their religion or non religion calls for the ceremony.

I have no problem with people of other races, religions, having their own ceremonies and sharing the commonality of a legal contract in the United states that gives them all equal rights and benefits and standardizes the legal system and and all paperwork.

Why should the government have to figure out what religions are valid for a marriage certificate when everyone can receive the same legal document and then have their own ceremony?




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