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[supermom]

WTH? I am not misinformed about Folsom and its Chamber of Commerce or touristing/marketing practices!

 

I am however, irritated that you put a spin on everything I say rather than let it lie as it is. I have a right to the opinion I have and there is nothing wrong with being ashamed that the people around me put more emphasis on being proud of an addict singer; than other people in Folsom. 

 

Whatever ones greatness contributes to society, a professional life is not all encompassing in making choices in whether that person should be a role model we tout for our society, town or young. 

[4thgenFolsomite]

Cash overcame his substance abuse problems and spent the latter half of his career trying to address social injustice. I have never heard anyone who actually knew him or knew the full story of his life have a single harsh word about him. He lived by his Christian ethics more truly than the majority of those that preach them. I think he is a great role model because he overcame his weakness and went on to devout his life to the greater good. Plus he was a great singer and is an icon in his field. World wide he is loved still and he really can be credited with making Folsom famous because of his song. I'm thrilled to see us doing something to acknowledge that.

Super mom absolutely has the right to her opinion though and I support her in expressing it.

[UncleVinny]

The bridge, the artwork, the new bike trail, park, the shot-in-the-arm for Folsom and its citizens all are POSITIVE developments for the city.

 

Let's not force this thread to deteriorate into yet another political football!

 

"Happy Trails to You!"

 

[Steve Heard]

WTH? I am not misinformed about Folsom and its Chamber of Commerce or touristing/marketing practices!

 

I am however, irritated that you put a spin on everything I say rather than let it lie as it is. I have a right to the opinion I have and there is nothing wrong with being ashamed that the people around me put more emphasis on being proud of an addict singer; than other people in Folsom. 

 

Whatever ones greatness contributes to society, a professional life is not all encompassing in making choices in whether that person should be a role model we tout for our society, town or young. 

Yes, if you believe that those representing the City of Folsom are tooting the horn of Johnny Cash and Folsom Prison, and doing so while ignoring all of the other things Folsom has to offer, I assume you are misinformed. 

 

Of course you have a right to your opinion. I didn't delete what you said, I disagreed with it. 

 

I am entitled to my opinion as well.

 

As for spinning what you say, that's not my intention, any more than it was your intention to take the construction of the trail and over crossing and spinning it to say that we are proud of housing criminals or celebrating a notorious criminal quarter.

 

We are acknowledging and honoring the legacy and link between our town's history, the prison and the entertainer who brought them world fame and who continues to draw people here nearly 50 years later. 

 

You think the over crossing is a bad idea. I think it's a good one.

[Carl G]

So, I'm the bad person for saying that with all the great things this city can toot their horn about, we are proud of housing criminals here? What about the awesome dam, the powerhouse and incredible engineering feat that it still is today, or the incredible local brain draw at quite a few companies we have here, or the awesome arts community? 

 

Just so much more here to celebrate than a notorious criminal corner thrust upon Folsom by the Feds.

 

Im sorry if my comment upset people and they are mad about it.  I just think our role models and who we show our children who we look up to- should not include a criminal element.

 

I am neither proud nor ashamed that we have Folsom prison here.  I am proud, however, of the fine men and women who work there to help make this city, county and state a better place.

 

I am also proud of Folsom as a whole.  The people, the bike trails, the schools, the entertainment, make this city a relatively self contained entity that you don't have to leave that often for need.

[TruthSeeker]

I'm very proud that Folsom has a connection with Johnny Cash's great music legacy.

 

Supes, if you weren't so angry, you'd realize he really was a good person, great singer and a true American who put Folsom on the map (like it or not!). Here's a good site to find out more about him: http://www.biography...240610#synopsis

[4thgenFolsomite]

My mom is getting a kick out of this.  She was born here and a middle-aged woman when Cash sang at the prison.  She thinks its kind of fun the trail is named after him. She said, "I just don't understand why people are so negative these days."  I agree.  We need to have a sense of humor and fun.  Life is too short!

[supermom]

Where o' where- in the freaking shish ka bob--

 

Did I say I was against the overpass or safety for the bicyclists? I believe you are the one putting workds in my mouth, now. Assumptions on your part, aside- I have no problem and even encourage a separate road for bicyclists ( with my attitude about the lack of cyclist safety concerns in this city- this opinion should not come as a surprise to you).

 

Yes, I do think the city makes a grievous error in emphasizing rockstars, sport stars and the obvious lack luster character that some individuals hold- versus people who have actually brought a cultural, technological, life-saving, or artistic greatness to this city that is shared. A one song wonder regarding this town really falls short.

 

Wow, Steve, you disappoint me.  At no point in time Have I said we shouldn't be more safety conscious for cyclists on the roadway. I don't like the idea of the prison being glorified, or the lifestyle that one song personifies, as a personification of our city.  How many different ways do I have to say it?

[kcrides99]

Supermom - You keep alluding to these mind-blowing residents who have "actually brought a cultural, technological, life-saving, artistic greatness"..... so just spit it out? Who better to represent this community than Mr. Cash? Is music not an artistic greatness?

 

You can point out problems all you want  but until you offer a solution (or in this case a real world example) your credibility is lacking (except as a critic).

 

It is very hard to argue that the Prison and its history has shaped this community. You can ignore our history or embrace it. I for one think it is a thoughtful tribute without being overbearing. Folsom would not be what it is today without the prison playing the role that it has/will.

[ducky]

We all look at things through different eyes.  I love unique architecture, which our prison definitely has.  Things just aren't built like that anymore. When I think of the prison I don't focus so much on the prisoners as I do on the brave men and women who stand watch while we all sleep soundly.  I have no problem that Johnny Cash wasn't a perfect person.    His song made Folsom a recognizable name.  I think of it as a nod to an era.  

[folsom500]

Supermom - You keep alluding to these mind-blowing residents who have "actually brought a cultural, technological, life-saving, artistic greatness"..... so just spit it out? Who better to represent this community than Mr. Cash? Is music not an artistic greatness?

 

You can point out problems all you want  but until you offer a solution (or in this case a real world example) your credibility is lacking (except as a critic).

 

It is very hard to argue that the Prison and its history has shaped this community. You can ignore our history or embrace it. I for one think it is a thoughtful tribute without being overbearing. Folsom would not be what it is today without the prison playing the role that it has/will.

MOM- I seem to be drawn to your sage wisdom -and extreme knowledge of all things ... (NOT ! ) 

but  Folsom would just be another Merced or Rocklin if Mr Cash had not come by... The prison, the Visit, the concert and the song has brought millions to know our city from around the world. And it has brought a high level of tourists dollars with it.  I think the trail heads were a brilliant idea to integrate Mr. Cash and our heritage prison for the public to see...

While a few cite that you can have your opinion-- --- You do NOT present  any facts to back up even a 10th of what you are saying... so opinions are like... but without facts to back them up - especially when you cite your off the wall opinions AS FACTS--- you have very little, if ANY, credibility here...

[Sandman]

Where this thread has gone (the gutter...) is an example of why I don't frequent this site like I use to. 

[TruthSeeker]

Where this thread has gone (the gutter...) is an example of why I don't frequent this site like I use to. 

 

They're just words, opinions.

 

We all have them, and they often differ.

 

Even Steve has a differing opinion on this subject. Does that make us all bad (and the site too) just because we voice our opinions?

 

Debate is healthy, even when we don't all agree.

 

A sterile boring site would be the only reason why I wouldn't frequent this site. But supermom has a right to her opinion, just like Steve does and I've enjoyed this topic, the photos, and the conversations.

[Steve Heard]

Where o' where- in the freaking shish ka bob--

 

Did I say I was against the overpass or safety for the bicyclists? I believe you are the one putting workds in my mouth, now. Assumptions on your part, aside- I have no problem and even encourage a separate road for bicyclists ( with my attitude about the lack of cyclist safety concerns in this city- this opinion should not come as a surprise to you).

 

Yes, I do think the city makes a grievous error in emphasizing rockstars, sport stars and the obvious lack luster character that some individuals hold- versus people who have actually brought a cultural, technological, life-saving, or artistic greatness to this city that is shared. A one song wonder regarding this town really falls short.

 

Wow, Steve, you disappoint me.  At no point in time Have I said we shouldn't be more safety conscious for cyclists on the roadway. I don't like the idea of the prison being glorified, or the lifestyle that one song personifies, as a personification of our city.  How many different ways do I have to say it?

 

Fiddlesticks. No one said you are against safety for the cyclists. I pointed out that that was one of the benefits.

 

You did, however say "Crist I hope a truck crashes into and knocks it down." I assume you'd want the bridge to be empty and the truck driver uninjured.

 

I'll just stick to my position that Folsom Prison is an important part of our history and our second-largest employer, and that no artist, or no other person I can think of, has had a greater impact on the city than Johnny Cash did. 

 

To acknowledge and take advantage of those facts for the benefit of the community was a smart thing to do.

 

As for the arts, the art pieces that will be installed along the trail will awe and inspire, and will keep tourists and their dollars coming to Folsom.   

 

 

Where this thread has gone (the gutter...) is an example of why I don't frequent this site like I use to. 

 

It's not that bad! Besides, if reasonably sane people such as yourself don't participate, it will be left to us crazies.