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[benning]

You're right, Dave...now if we can just teach the brain-washed, PC few on this board,

Of course ya can...it's worked on us all the other times...welcome back!

[Dave Burrell]

You're right, Dave...now if we can just teach the brain-washed, PC few on this board, then we'll be OK....if they're in Lodi, they can be in Folsom...

they're not brainwashed, they're just being civil. Its not right for us to judge another religion and condemn it entirely based on the fault of a minority - we've got similar problems with extreme fundamentalist christians - for example the guy who just got sentenced for the abortion clinic bombing - that guy in my book was no different then a muslim terrorist.

[BlueStateMom]

I have fears, however, that that fundamentalists, however few, will preach their hate at the new mosque, and demand that fellow muslims do what the book says, and attack us infidels.

Are my fears unfounded?

[/quote]

StevetheDad,
A very thoughtful post. I wish that there were more level-headed, insightful messages like this to make us think through both sides of an issue and try to work through concerns together, rather than slamming and dismissing anyone who disagrees with a certain point of view.
I hope that any fears some of us have will prove to be unfounded. I don't oppose the mosque being built, but I do have concerns, (though some on this website feel I'm not even allowed that option)...To be concerned somehow immediately makes me a "zenophobe"...
I've learned from my first real experience with this website that I won't ever put my concerns in writing again. Perhaps it is the fact that thoughts are put in writing, rather than being expressed in a lively discussion over coffee or a beer, that makes them more hurtful, but I am really suprised.
I do appreciate your thoughtful approach to issues. If you ever decide to run for office, please let us know - we'll work hard for you.
Peace, ya'll.

[doug72]

Not that I value a word that you say- even when you dont say anything..

Oh- say something of substance once in a while so we know you are .... Oh never mind ...
Cheers
F500

Wow, I go to Graeagle on vacation and come back to find Ken is STILL mad...calm down, Ken...smile...start enjoying life instead of being angry...just trying to help...

[tgianco]

I am not opposed to the building of the mosque in Folsom. I know a few muslims. Have a couple in the family. One of my oldest friends is a strict muslim. These folks are just like you and me, except they go to their place of worship on Fridays. They want what we want, freedom, enough money to pay the bills, to wathc their kids grow, and to retire in relative comfort.

I have fears, however, that that fundamentalists, however few, will preach their hate at the new mosque, and demand that fellow muslims do what the book says, and attack us infidels.

Are my fears unfounded?

[/quote]
You pretty much articulated my feelings on this. It's a hard subject to speak on since there are so many conflicting emotions involved.

For Mr. Anarchy who is ashamed to be living in Folsom, move. No one is forcing you to stay or post here.

[folsom500]

Wow, I go to Graeagle on vacation and come back to find Ken is STILL mad...calm down, Ken...smile...start enjoying life instead of being angry...just trying to help...

Keep it on TOPIC bucko....

The situation of the right wing evangelical christians in this area as well as the rest of the country is far more threatening to my ( and your) personal freedoms than a Moaque filled with Intel employees. You see this group that is building this mosque has been having services in Folsom for years and has never been a threat of any kind.
On the other hand- the Bushco bedfellows of the Consevative religious right have every intention of taking away a number of rights now allowed by law and the supreme court...

That makes them a far worse threat to America than a muslim church in Folsom...

I think Steves inputs are valid, but as he said it is a small minority that prescribed to the fundamentalists views that are there - and so it is one million- how many are here in Folsom and what have they done for the last 15 years while holding services in this city ????

Cheers
F500

[doug72]

Muslims are habitual terrorists, plain and simple...and for those of you who don't know that, I feel sorry for you and your lack of knowledge of the history of this "religion"...

[swimerdude87]

while these muslims maybe intel workers and they may seem normal, did you ever even consider that they maybe sleeper cells? Kinda like the ones on 9/11, they were just some guys going to the gym everyday....and then what do you know, they kill 3000 people. Mosques are just breading grounds for terrorists, there is no need for one in our community. Is there a way to start a petition against this building?

[Farley]

I love the words innocent until proven guilty. Paranoia is judging them guilty without any proof of wrong doing.

[swimerdude87]

Any proof of wrongdoing? OMG, do i need to post all of the wrong doing again? Until they stand up and overwhelming condemn and do something do stop their brethren, then they are one of them. Have you ever gotten a group of 100 hundred mulims here and in an unbaised survey, asked them what they think of terror attacks in Israel? They will tell that they think the Jews should not be there, is that good reason to kill babies, children, adults, and just simply INNOCENT PEOPLE? Oh, and dont try bring up radical christians killing abortion clinic doctors or the such. Tell me how many have they kill? Definitely not as much as muslims!

O yea, and give me proof of some right doing?

[john]

I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's a place of worship. Mosques are all over the country. I would imagine there are quite a few Muslims in this city, and they are very happy to see a mosque getting built. Just because somebody is a Muslim doesn't men they are a terrorist...

[Farley]

Oh, and dont try bring up radical christians killing abortion clinic doctors or the such. Tell me how many have they kill? Definitely not as much as muslims!

So now it is about numbers. A few killers = no terrorist; more killers = terrorists.

Regardless of the numbers, the killers are terrorists. None of the Folsom muslims are terrorists to my knowledge, so they should be allowed to worship in peace.

[Steve Heard]

...and after reading Steve's post with the quotes....seems to me its teaching hate more then anything else.

I don't want those quotes to be taken as representative of mainstream Islam. There are other passages in the Quran that instruct muslims to protect non-believers and allow them to have their own religions. That's why you will find Synagogues and Churches in Muslim countries. They have been there for centuries. While it is true that radicals can and do strike out at them, these temples and churches could not exist if all muslims were bent on destroying the non-believers.

Muslims are required to pray, be humble, do good deeds, and donate money to charity, just as those who follow Judeo-Christian religions.

Suggesting that the muslims here are sleeper cells or terrorists in training is unfounded and silly.

My friend is going to send his child to an Islamic school. He said, "I want to make a decent human being out of him". My friend says that there at Islamic schools, kids are taught morals, modesty, and to respect their elders and authority."

I thought, "Hey, maybe I should send MY kids to an Islamic school!"

But seriously, folks, I hope that the muslim community in this town will be treated with respect and that it's members realize that extremist views on Islam are, well, crazy.

If both things happen, we'll only be enriched as a community, by their presence.

[folsom500]

Any proof of wrongdoing? OMG, do i need to post all of the wrong doing again? Until they stand up and overwhelming condemn and do something do stop their brethren, then they are one of them. Have you ever gotten a group of 100 hundred mulims here and in an unbaised survey, asked them what they think of terror attacks in Israel? They will tell that they think the Jews should not be there, is that good reason to kill babies, children, adults, and just simply INNOCENT PEOPLE? Oh, and dont try bring up radical christians killing abortion clinic doctors or the such. Tell me how many have they kill? Definitely not as much as muslims!

O yea, and give me proof of some right doing?

HAVE YOU done that survey - ? I know a good place to do one- if you have the gumption to do it=- try the intel front door at end of shift ... Or better yet- check your own neighborhood as surely there are 10-15 at least within a few blocks of you and some on your street !
The may be Iranian, Iraqi, Indian, filipinno, black or even white to list a few ...
Your lack of tolerance is nothing less then a bigotry and an immoral racial predjudice (sp)...
Suggest one starts with looking in the mirror to find where the hate and bias begins....


Cheers
F500

[swimerdude87]

That's why you will find  Synagogues and Churches in Muslim countries. They have been there for centuries. While it is true that radicals can and do strike out at them, these temples and churches could not exist if all muslims were bent on destroying the non-believers.

Yes, and those synagogues and churches are empty. They exist only becuase of the governments of the countries are afraid of any reprisal.

HAVE YOU done that survey - ? I know a good place to do one- if you have the gumption to do it=- try the intel front door at end of shift ... Or better yet- check your own neighborhood as surely there are 10-15 at least within a few blocks of you and some on your street !
The may be Iranian, Iraqi, Indian, filipinno, black  or even white to list a few ...
Your lack of tolerance is nothing less then a bigotry and an immoral racial predjudice (sp)...
Suggest one starts with looking in the mirror to find where the hate and bias begins....
Cheers
F500

Survey, i would gladly do it but i would probably get security called on me for disturbing the workers. If you want anymore proof of the true feelings of muslims.
Try and remember what happened in most muslim countries after 9/11. There was celebrating. American flag burning.

You talk abou tolerance. Just consider the people you are defending. They wouldnt mind sliting your troat. Just face it. Stop denying it, Muslims are not the kind of people you want building a religious building in our city. We dont need another school for terrorists.