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[uberman]

what does the liberal part have to do with this?  i am lost on this one.

I meant, he has a pre-teen daughter, which is what makes it surprising... His liberal views have no doubt got him kicked out of the school.

My friend and I mentioned it earlier today, we understand now why he was acting so strange this last spring, notably in April when it occurred. He seemed not himself.

[Chad Vander Veen]

So what's your point -- if I don't comment on each and every single story regarding molestation (here or there or everywhere?) that I must condone some of them? What are you getting at -- that I can't have a valid point regarding one case unless I post comments about each and every related case? *sigh

There have only been two teacher/student sex related stories on the forum all year. You are very passionate about this ONE.

[ducky]

Let's set Mr. McEvoy aside since he hasn't been tried or convicted.

Some of these posts defending a 34-year-old having a relationship with a 16-year-old are very disturbing.

First of all, even if you think 18 is a made-up age for adulthood and a 16-year-old could act like an adult and consent, isn't a 34-year-old supposed to BE AN ADULT and know better? This would be especially true given the fact they are in a position of authority whether it be teacher, doctor, clergy, etc.

As for teenage girls dressing like whores, that will never make it acceptable for a grown man to attack them, no matter how immature the girl's behavior. I thought we were all past the "she was asking for it" era.

[Brett911]

I read all the time about people being released from jail after having spent 20 plus years of their life there after being cleared by new DNA evidence or someone recants.  They too were "busted" by the Police and subsequently convicted beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.  Just because someone gets arrested and even convicted obviously doesn't mean they were guilty.

statistically, I would venture the convicted then released rate is extremely low as in less than 0.000005% of the total inmate population. I do not have data to support this number but I am taking a strong leap here.

we have possibly the best system around. we do not decide innocence but guilty or not guilty based upon the evidence presented.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

There have only been two teacher/student sex related stories on the forum all year. You are very passionate about this ONE.

This is the ONE that took place while I was a member here. And everyone should be passionate about the molestation of minors -- instead of trying to find ways to justify it. Sheesh.

[brown]

There have only been two teacher/student sex related stories on the forum all year. You are very passionate about this ONE.

Let's see, the last posting on those was Feb 24 2005, RL joined May 5 2005....let me see if I can figure out why she didn't post...hmmm...

[CostcoLover]

Let's set Mr. McEvoy aside since he hasn't been tried or convicted.

Some of these posts defending a 34-year-old having a relationship with a 16-year-old are very disturbing.

First of all, even if you think 18 is a made-up age for adulthood and a 16-year-old could act like an adult and consent, isn't a 34-year-old supposed to BE AN ADULT  and know better?  This would be especially true given the fact they are in a position of authority whether it be teacher, doctor, clergy, etc.

As for teenage girls dressing like whores, that will never make it acceptable for a grown man to attack them, no matter how immature the girl's behavior.  I thought we were all past the "she was asking for it" era.

California does have people from many states. Perhaps they grew up elsewhere where it might not have been a big deal, and moved to CA.

FYI - http://en.wikipedia..../Age_of_consent

# Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Alabama: 16
# Illinois, Louisiana, Nebraska, New York, Texas: 17
# Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin: 18
# Colorado: 15 (17 if partner 10 years older and not spouse)
# Florida: 16 (If partner under 24), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Idaho: 16 or 17 (if partner less than 5 years older), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Iowa: 14 or 15 (if partner less than 5 years older), 16 (all other adult partners)
# Missouri: 14 (if partner under 21), 17 (all other adults)
# Nevada: 16 (heterosexual), 21 (homosexual)
# New Hampshire: 16, 18 (person in position of authority, see NH RSA 632-A:4 III.)
# New Mexico: 16 (18 if partner at least 4 or more years older than minor)
# South Carolina: 14 (Under state constitution)/16 (Under state law - appears to conflict with state constitution).
# Washington: 16 (18 if partner is at least 60 months older, in a significant supervisory relationship, and uses that relationship to engage in sex with the minor).
# Wyoming: 16/18 (conflicting laws appear to set two different ages of consent)
# Military: equal to the state the base is located in if the state law is 16yrs or greater else 16 if the state law is less that 16yrs; homosexuality grounds for dismissal

[uberman]

This is the ONE that took place while I was a member here. And everyone should be passionate about the molestation of minors -- instead of trying to find ways to justify it. Sheesh.

Did anyone say it was molestation?

[Chad Vander Veen]

Men in Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin, you might be a potential molestor if you find this picture of Britney Spears attractive. She is 17 (gasp!) in this photograph.

[uberman]

Men in Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin, you might be a potential molestor if you find this picture of Britney Spears attractive. She is 17 (gasp!) in this photograph.

I'm surprised that Britney Spears' first time wasn't televised or at least made into a controversial sex-tape..

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Did anyone say it was molestation?

IF it was "forced" sex, as someone indicated they saw in the article, then that would be molestation or rape. Again, we don't know the facts. I am passionate about the topic; I have not condemned this man and have repeatedly used the word "if"...

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Men in Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin, you might be a potential molestor if you find this picture of Britney Spears attractive. She is 17 (gasp!) in this photograph.

Finding someone attractive and forcing her to have sex are two entirely different things. No one, except you, has said that finding someone attractive equates to molestation.

[ducky]

Good point, Resumelady. Finding someone attractive doesn't mean you have to act on it. Has the word self-control lost all meaning in this day and age?

[Solartide]

And he's a raging liberal

Well, theres the problem!

[Chad Vander Veen]

Finding someone attractive and forcing her to have sex are two entirely different things. No one, except you, has said that finding someone attractive equates to molestation.

Absolutely 100% correct. But there is definately a tone on this thread that would suggest the opposite.

This whole time I've been trying to point out that we inundate our children with sexual messages, allow them to dress sexually, teach them that sex is ok outside of marriage, and then we are shocked, SHOCKED, when our teens go out and have sex.

Now, if a court finds this teacher forced himself on the student, I'd like to off him myself. I can't think of a worse crime than rape.

However, if this girl was a willing partner, I think she shares some repsonsibility, especially when we have decided children are mature enough to make decisions about abortion.

And I've also tried to point out that no matter what any of you say, there is still a vast chasm of hypocrisy when it comes to older males with young girls vs. older females with young boys.

BTW, RL, you're right. I apologize. You were not a member when that thread was going. Sorry.