Good post cv, and I agree. Keeping faith and science as separate, independent concepts is the way to go.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 09:21 AM
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 01:35 PM
You missed my point, of religion is a persons quest for their own spirituality/faith and no matter what path you take to reach it is in the eyes of the beholder themselves. What I question is religious doctorine of the bible or torah or Book of Jehovah or what ever by using the scientific method. Does that have anything to do with faith, no. I have faith that there is something there but I don't know what it is and need proof to conferm that there is a god no matter what form it might be. The scientific method that c.vanderveen mentioned of parents loving me as repeatable results or a dog loving me cannot be proven by religous means as well so your agrument also fails in the religious sence as well. (Do not use Love thy neighbor) What I ment in Saying about Passion of the Christ was Jewish people were upset because in their religion the crusifiction didn't occur the way that Mel Gibson protrayed it, which made them upset. I was using that feeling of being upset and converting it to Chatholics being upset of the DaVinci code. There was some documentation that was found and I haven't investegated that came from either one of Christ's deciples or Mary Magdeline herself that said that christ faked his chrusifiction to escape and lived the rest of his life with Mary Magdeline. I haven't read the documentation nor no more than that but if true then it puts the DaVinci code a little more true than fiction.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 03:20 PM
QUOTE(watstein @ May 20 2006, 02:35 PM) 
You missed my point, of religion is a persons quest for their own spirituality/faith and no matter what path you take to reach it is in the eyes of the beholder themselves. What I question is religious doctorine of the bible or torah or Book of Jehovah or what ever by using the scientific method. Does that have anything to do with faith, no. I have faith that there is something there but I don't know what it is and need proof to conferm that there is a god no matter what form it might be. The scientific method that c.vanderveen mentioned of parents loving me as repeatable results or a dog loving me cannot be proven by religous means as well so your agrument also fails in the religious sence as well. (Do not use Love thy neighbor) What I ment in Saying about Passion of the Christ was Jewish people were upset because in their religion the crusifiction didn't occur the way that Mel Gibson protrayed it, which made them upset. I was using that feeling of being upset and converting it to Chatholics being upset of the DaVinci code. There was some documentation that was found and I haven't investegated that came from either one of Christ's deciples or Mary Magdeline herself that said that christ faked his chrusifiction to escape and lived the rest of his life with Mary Magdeline. I haven't read the documentation nor no more than that but if true then it puts the DaVinci code a little more true than fiction.
sorry, you lost me there. I can't figure out what you're trying to get across
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 05:23 PM
I'm not going to discuss this anymore your beliefs are your own and everyone believes in different things.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 05:34 PM
I believe in paragraphs.
Oh, and movie reviews too. So...what did others think of The DaVinci Code?
Oh, and movie reviews too. So...what did others think of The DaVinci Code?
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 06:50 PM
QUOTE(bishmasterb @ May 20 2006, 06:34 PM)
I believe in paragraphs.
Oh, and movie reviews too. So...what did others think of The DaVinci Code?
"A haunting, powerful tour de force. Hanks delivers one of the finest performance to ever grace the screen. At once uplifting, dark, and gut-wrenching, this film rises to a level few pictures in the history of cinema have dared to even imagine. An epic for the ages."
No, wait, that was my review of Joe versus the Volcano.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 10:08 PM
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I don't get it...Why are you going?
Because I like to take the chance at being pleasantly surprised. Which I was at this movie. I enjoyed it. I was unhappy with some of the things they left out (a LOT of the symbology was removed - I assume for length), but they always have to cut something. I think they did a pretty good job.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 11:18 PM
I just wish there were protesters outside the theaters when I saw it on opening night.....woulda made it even more exciting!!!
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:08 AM
QUOTE(banana @ May 19 2006, 01:18 PM)
That is the wisest comment yet.
Many people believe what they've been indoctrinated to believe. Unquestioning frequency and repetition is all that's required (now you know why commercials on TV are so prevalent and repititious).
God Himself could not convince His followers (of any faith) that He is just a more advanced being from elsewhere in the universe even if He wanted to (assuming that were the truth).
Unfortunately, the bulk of the population on this earth lives in poverty and is uneducated (in many cases illiterate).
We all use technology with little understanding of how they work ie. cell phones, home phones, TVs, cars, and so on. Just think the world of medicine. We take it for granted and to us, it's not magic, but to the 3rd world, it might as well be.
So it's no surprise that 98%+ of the people on this planet believe in some God or another that created what they see, etc. Such simplistic notions are easily adopted by large uneducated populations, and they remain the majority opinion because those ideas are indoctrinated in us by our (usually) less educated parents, and the alternative explanations require years if not decades of education and are not easily explained to lay people.
It will take millinea to educate the world's population and show them that resuscitating someone that just had a heart attack or seemed to have drowned is not magic or a work of a God.
Millenia from now we'll look back at ourselves and see the same lack of knowledge that we see in cavemen.
I've had my share of intellectual challenges with Catholicism. I had so much trouble with the book of Genesis that I couldn't get very far before thinking it was more a work of fiction/opinion than fact.
Genesis 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
Wouldn't He know this already before he saw it? (He is all knowing)
Genesis 3:6-11 [Trouble accepting the idea of a God that favors lack of knowledge over knowledge]
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
? I guess He isn't all knowing and doesn't see all. I've heard the argument of man having free will, but that doesn't negate knowing all - either He is all knowing/seeing or He isn't, in which case we're talking about something other than what I would think of as God.
There are numerous others, but I find that those that know the Bible well, often get lost in esoteric discussions of physics, mathematics, biology and other scientific principles and philosophical concepts that keep us from having any meaningful dialogue.
For example, what if Jesus returned (and proved of course that He is the one and same original Jesus described in the Bible) and told you, that in fact, He is just a member of a more advanced race for which none of his miracles are miraculous?
I suspect that He could not convince Christians that He is not God, nor could He convince those that do not believe that He is God.
So the discussion of religion is a matter of belief that is largely devoid of knowledge (faith does not require knowledge), and so it is a pointless discussion unless those involved are ready to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work required to understand one another.
http://www.bibleufo.com/
There are many parts of the Bible that depict situations which sound just like UFO sightings of today.
I guess I'm one of those "Nut Cases" that has seen a UFO. And I know what I saw was not of this earth.
And no, I wasn't drinking or under any other influence.
I just wish I'd had a Camcorder at the time.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:39 AM
Saw the movie yesterday (Saturday) and thought it was great! One thing however, I read the Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons a while back and kept on getting both books confused with the movie (I was waiting for the helicopter to explode).
Anyways, I didn't find it anti-Catholic, nor did I ever find the book to be that either (and the albino guy has blue eyes, didn't he have red eyes in the book?). In fact, I thought the movie made the whole idea more fiction than the book did.
All in all, it was a good, but a rather long film (but it does not compare to Peter Jackson's King Kong). I'll be seeing it again with my mother.
Anyways, I didn't find it anti-Catholic, nor did I ever find the book to be that either (and the albino guy has blue eyes, didn't he have red eyes in the book?). In fact, I thought the movie made the whole idea more fiction than the book did.
All in all, it was a good, but a rather long film (but it does not compare to Peter Jackson's King Kong). I'll be seeing it again with my mother.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 06:45 AM
QUOTE(swmr545 @ May 21 2006, 01:39 AM)
Anyways, I didn't find it anti-Catholic, nor did I ever find the book to be that either
Those "bad guys" in the movie that were killing people and lying to everyone...they were Catholic.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 07:39 AM
QUOTE(bishmasterb @ May 21 2006, 07:45 AM)
Those "bad guys" in the movie that were killing people and lying to everyone...they were Catholic.
The truth about me was bound to come out.
If anybody messes with me, you get the crazed albino monk paying you a visit. Hey, this could work out rather well.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:42 PM
Da Vinci Code' grabs $224 mln in opening weekend
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BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- "The Da Vinci Code" managed to rake in $224 million worldwide during its opening weekend, despite lukewarm reviews and religious protests.
The Sony Corp. movie took in $77 million at domestic box offices in the U.S. and Canada, and $147 million overseas, according to preliminary studio estimates provided by industry tracker Box Office Mojo. The combined sales added up to the second-best debut since "Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith," which pulled in $253 million in its first weekend, according to press reports.
The film, which stars Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou, is based on Dan Brown's smash fiction bestseller about a conspiracy within the Catholic church over the divinity of Jesus Christ and alleged descendants. Estimates for domestic receipts of the first weekend for Oscar-winning director Ron Howard's film, which was produced at a total cost of $125 million, have run as high as $100 million in some circles. See related story.
"The Da Vinci Code" unseated "Mission: Impossible III" at domestic box offices this weekend. That action thriller released by Viacom Inc.'
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Using an esimated, conservative number of $8.00 per ticket- that would be 28,000,000 people that have seen it worldwide SINCE FRIDAY..
Oh I did hear there were 8 protestors at one of the Yuba City Theatres....
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By John Spence, MarketWatch
Last Update: 4:05 PM ET May 21, 2006
BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- "The Da Vinci Code" managed to rake in $224 million worldwide during its opening weekend, despite lukewarm reviews and religious protests.
The Sony Corp. movie took in $77 million at domestic box offices in the U.S. and Canada, and $147 million overseas, according to preliminary studio estimates provided by industry tracker Box Office Mojo. The combined sales added up to the second-best debut since "Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith," which pulled in $253 million in its first weekend, according to press reports.
The film, which stars Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou, is based on Dan Brown's smash fiction bestseller about a conspiracy within the Catholic church over the divinity of Jesus Christ and alleged descendants. Estimates for domestic receipts of the first weekend for Oscar-winning director Ron Howard's film, which was produced at a total cost of $125 million, have run as high as $100 million in some circles. See related story.
"The Da Vinci Code" unseated "Mission: Impossible III" at domestic box offices this weekend. That action thriller released by Viacom Inc.'
http://www.marketwat...oo&dist=myyahoo
Using an esimated, conservative number of $8.00 per ticket- that would be 28,000,000 people that have seen it worldwide SINCE FRIDAY..
Oh I did hear there were 8 protestors at one of the Yuba City Theatres....
Cheers, F500
Edited by folsom500, 21 May 2006 - 12:46 PM.
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 11:28 AM
Has anyone else seen this movie ?
We will likely do so in the next week or two ...
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We will likely do so in the next week or two ...
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 01:38 PM
QUOTE(bishmasterb @ May 21 2006, 07:45 AM)
Those "bad guys" in the movie that were killing people and lying to everyone...they were Catholic.
I didn't see them as "bad guys who are Catholic". Sure they are a sect of the Catholic church, but in the movie it made it clear that it was just a sect, and not the entire Catholic population that use self-inflicted pain to be closer to Jesus/God.
We have some wacky people in this community of Folsom, but for the most part, people are intelligent enough to realize that they don't represent the entire populace of our city.
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