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[Dave Burrell]

I am not trying to make light or side with chris v, but maybe the kids didn't have a chance to see the woman since she was still alive at the scene. The paramedics were probably in a hurry to get the woman to the hospital, where they weren't able to save her.

don't you think the simple fact that they just plowed into her car was enough reality for them to realize they hurt her?

even if she lived thru it - they still plowed into her car and caused harm - didn't they notice the damage to her car ?

if a teenager can get a drivers license - shouldn't he/she also be capable of realizing when they've caused an accident and caused harm?

maybe I'm just too darned harsh, I find their actions completely inexcusable.

[banana]

Here is something that you can do as a parent of teenagers - the current version monitors their driving, future versions of these types of devices will allow you to restrict the maximum speed in city/highway (variable).

http://www.roadsafety.com/teen.php



Teen Drivers -- What's a Parent to Do?

Imagine if you could sit next to your teenager every second they are driving. Imagine the control you would have. Would they speed? Street race? Hard corner? Hard brake? Play loud music? Probably not. But how do they drive when you are not in the car?

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tells us that teen drivers are more than four times as likely to be involved in vehicle crashes as compared to adult drivers. Sixteen year olds are at the highest risk.

Today there is something you can do to reduce the risk to your teen driver while they gain experience. It's a device called the RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX ™. The following are some concerns you will face as the parent of a teen driver and how our RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX™ addresses those concerns.

The RS-1000 tells you how and when your teen was driving on a second by second basis. If you say "I don't want you speeding on the freeway" and they do anyway, you will know it. If curfew is at 12:00 AM and they get home at 1:00 AM, you will know it. As frequently as you like, simply pop the processor/memory card out of the RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX™ and plug it into your family computer to display the reports and graphs.

[folsombound]

Here is something that you can do as a parent of teenagers - the current version monitors their driving, future versions of these types of devices will allow you to restrict the maximum speed in city/highway (variable).

http://www.roadsafety.com/teen.php



Teen Drivers -- What's a Parent to Do?

Imagine if you could sit next to your teenager every second they are driving. Imagine the control you would have. Would they speed? Street race? Hard corner? Hard brake? Play loud music? Probably not. But how do they drive when you are not in the car?

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tells us that teen drivers are more than four times as likely to be involved in vehicle crashes as compared to adult drivers. Sixteen year olds are at the highest risk.

Today there is something you can do to reduce the risk to your teen driver while they gain experience. It's a device called the RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX ™. The following are some concerns you will face as the parent of a teen driver and how our RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX™ addresses those concerns.

The RS-1000 tells you how and when your teen was driving on a second by second basis. If you say "I don't want you speeding on the freeway" and they do anyway, you will know it. If curfew is at 12:00 AM and they get home at 1:00 AM, you will know it. As frequently as you like, simply pop the processor/memory card out of the RS-1000 TEEN BLACK BOX™ and plug it into your family computer to display the reports and graphs.

This looks like a great invention and something that ought to be in the car of any teenager whose parents care!

[camay2327]

A few months ago my daughter (35 years old) had an accident that totaled out her car. She was taken to the emergency room were we immediately went to see her. (She is fine now) Her car was taken and put in storage by a wrecker company. I took her over there a couple days after the accident and she was able to get all her things out of the car. So there was no reason for these kids to have to get their speakers out immediately after the accident. They could have gotten them out later.

I am sure that they more than likely did not know that however.

[benning]

You are a friggin piece of work. Don't tell others not to rush to judgement and then tell others you feel "sorry" for them.

hmm, you're right, I shouldn't have said I feel sorry for people who rush to judgment. It's more that the whole thing makes me sad, and even sadder when I see people lash out.

I realize that I come across as a big apologist for the teens, even though all I'm advocating is caution and compassion. (It doesn't take away at all from my compassion toward the victim to have compassion for the teens.)

So, let's play nice, or do you want to lock me up and throw away the key, too?

[banana]

This looks like a great invention and something that ought to be in the car of any teenager whose parents care!

In the UK they're considering Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) devices that will cut the throttle on motorbikes to bring them within the speed limit. The technology can be used in cars and other vehicles. It will be able to track you and control your speed.

http://www.rinf.com/...-of-big-brother

[LadyGreenEyes]

WHAT? That boy plowed into the side of a woman's car. Whether she was dead or just hurt, that child is indefensible. I am utterly disgusted that ANYONE would think it would be okay to retrieve speakers when there was a victim hurt. You nauseate me that you are defending this. I hope you are friends with these people because then I could possibly understand your position. If you are not closely associated with them, then it is pathetic that you have so little regard.

It makes me so sad and disgusted to think people have gotten to the point that material possessions now come before human lives. I have great pity for people who are so heartless.

Stacy, thank you for posting your response, it saved me from typing one myself. I agree with you 100% The person that posted that makes me sick.

[LadyGreenEyes]

I'm sorry, folks but my heart bleeds for everyone involved, including the kids.

I feel sorry for the people on this forum who rush to judge these kids who clearly made a fatal mistake.
For the record:
ANY car could be deadly under those circumstances.
We do NOT know how fast the cars were going.
We do NOT know the level of fault of both cars -- I think it's been speculated that each was at fault to some extent
We can NOT conclude based on the supposed statement about the stereo that these people are heartless -- anyone who has ever been in a severe accident knows that you go into A STATE OF SHOCK. We know someone whose 12 year old brother was in the pool with a couple of other kids, one sunk to the bottom (drowning) and neither kid went to get help - they totally ignored it and went into denial momentarily because THEY WERE IN SHOCK.

I for one would not get any comfort from a severe vs normal level of punishment for this...taking out revenge does not bring my loved one back.

I would never feel sorry for any GD punk that took an innocent persons life while street racing. If it ever happened to one of your loved ones, I'm sure you'd feel differently.

[benning]

I also don't understand how those punks could have no remorse. If I hit anyone regardless of whether they were injured or not, I'd be freaked out that I made a mistake that caused harm to someone else - but I guess thats called being accountable for your actions - again something those punks were obviously never taught by their slacker parents.

Dave, how do you know they had no remorse? I don't think anyone has posted any first hand account that would lead them to believe this in the least. And anything, I mean anything, can be taken out of context. Are you honestly speculating that this person did not care that they killed someone? That's harsh.

Where did this whole speaker thing originate anyway...I never saw it in any news accounts.

Like Mylo said, "I don't know too many murderous teens"

[LadyGreenEyes]

don't you think the simple fact that they just plowed into her car was enough reality for them to realize they hurt her?

even if she lived thru it - they still plowed into her car and caused harm - didn't they notice the damage to her car ?

if a teenager can get a drivers license - shouldn't he/she also be capable of realizing when they've caused an accident and caused harm?

maybe I'm just too darned harsh, I find their actions completely inexcusable.

You're not too harsh at all, I totally agree!

[benning]

I would never feel sorry for any GD punk that took an innocent persons life while street racing. If it ever happened to one of your loved ones, I'm sure you'd feel differently.

Like I said before, lashing out at people without all the facts does not bring back the loved one. So I would be sad, mad and angry and would want justice but would still have compassion for the 'GD punk' as you so graciously call him.

[old soldier]

the old insuranc e companies have high rates for young boys and higher rates for reckless drivers so it would seem that they could get a special high rate for youngsters with fast cars.

ong ago when I was young and foolish they still had drag races but you only were interested if you had a fast car. if a kid has a slow non muscle car they mgith not get all jazzed up and want to race. who cares if it hurts their image. a slow car will get them where they want to go.

as far as raising the driving age, parents would sink that bacause they are tired of driving kids all over town.

I think if dad had to pay twice as much insurnace for a fast car it might make a difference. kids at that age are real stupid but thats the way the good lord fixed the wiring.

[Chad Vander Veen]

kids at that age are real stupid

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[MSgt]

I am taking this whole incident very personal. When my wife and I saw this on the news she looked at me with big eyes saying "that could have been me". When I saw the husband being interviewed I started to cry myself. All I think about is what if it were my wife. I cannot look at this objectively like some of you. I guess I don't have it in me this time.

[LadyGreenEyes]

Like I said before, lashing out at people without all the facts does not bring back the loved one. So I would be sad, mad and angry and would want justice but would still have compassion for the 'GD punk' as you so graciously call him.

I HIGHLY doubt you would have compassion for someone that caused the death of one of your loved ones. When I refer to the teen as a "GD punk" I'm being very polite.