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[old soldier]

uppityness comes from insecurity which a lot of times is the same for rudeness. i look at the sort of fight goin on bewewwn robert g and the gorilla as kind of funny. old gorilla is getting baited into making nasty comments.

he kind of reminds me of a little dog I saw that would run up to fenced in big dogs and give them hell, full knowing the big dogs were locked and there was no danges of the little dog getting his butt kicked

the nice thing about this here verbal forum is its all words and no punching and the best word guy wins.

as far as the liberal conservative thing as a negative for folsom...no...I for one feel protective for my little liberal friends, misguided as they might be.

a good christian always hopes that folks who have strayed will come back into the fold.

[gorilla]

I'm sure what EDF here meant to say was "stars and stripes". Funny thing actually, since the "stars and bars" was the name of a flag used by a largely Democrat, pro-slavery, anti-American government insurgency movement of the second half of the 19th century. It fell into disuse after about 1865 somewhat, and today, outside of a few historical re-enactor types, the only people who really use it are skinheads and people in the Kla... oh. Umm... well.

This is awkward.

Well. Nevermind about all that silly history stuff. You'll love Granite Bay. Get a place by the lake. On a clear day you can see the Confederate Navy!

[Robert Giacometti]

You read WAY too much into what she was saying. But the fact remains that you personally attacked her intelligence, her assumed ideology and the like. We've even got people calling liberals Nazis, to which I'm sure my Jewish husband would take extreme personal offense.

Regardless, too much of one thing is bad, whether you agree with it or not. As you know, I'm a liberal. Yet I moved from Madison, Wisconsin because it was TOO liberal. There was no balance and nothing was getting done. One whole side of thought is squashed. I personally believe it's ruining my favorite city in the country. And I agree with these people!

So I guess in answer to her question: Bellaj, if you think that if you were around a large majority of conservatives and they would attack you for your beliefs and politics, the answer is an obvious yes.

I didn't read too much into this, its my sense you just don't want to look.

CW & others, try this little exercise.

Go to Bellaj's first post and in place of the word Conservative insert the word Muslim, or Gays or any minority group. I'm pretty sure that you would be upset with someone posting this and I would agree with you that this would be wrong. I'm fairly confident you would call them mean spirited, hateful or bigots. Since she said something about a group you don't like, do you feel its OK?

This is where we differ, in that I feel its wrong to prejudge any group based upon stereotypes and statements like hers need to be confronted as NOT being acceptable, regardless of who they are directed towards. When the Don Imus's don't get it.... it needs to addressed along with others who don't get it as well.

I'm sure we have all heard someone make an inappropriate comment about some group and then have them add something to the effect, "you know how they are". IMHO, Bellaj is saying the same the thing with her question about GB being too conservative. It clearly shows a real lack of sensitivity towards others who have a different perspective. If we all could remove our personal bias from this, it would be fairly easy to recognize it feels very natural for her to be asking condescending questions about conservatives. This should be very revealing to anyone who considers themselves to be open minded.

Cw, you agreed with me recently when I said it was wrong to prejudge Muslims, why isn't it wrong to prejudge conservatives?

[mylo]

stinkin' conservatives

[cw68]

I didn't read too much into this, its my sense you just don't want to look.

CW & others, try this little exercise.

Go to Bellaj's first post and in place of the word Conservative insert the word Muslim, or Gays or any minority group. I'm pretty sure that you would be upset with someone posting this and I would agree with you that this would be wrong. I'm fairly confident you would call them mean spirited, hateful or bigots. Since she said something about a group you don't like, do you feel its OK?

This is where we differ, in that I feel its wrong to prejudge any group based upon stereotypes and statements like hers need to be confronted as NOT being acceptable, regardless of who they are directed towards. When the Don Imus's don't get it.... it needs to addressed along with others who don't get it as well.

I'm sure we have all heard someone make an inappropriate comment about some group and then have them add something to the effect, "you know how they are". IMHO, Bellaj is saying the same the thing with her question about GB being too conservative. It clearly shows a real lack of sensitivity towards others who have a different perspective. If we all could remove our personal bias from this, it would be fairly easy to recognize it feels very natural for her to be asking condescending questions about conservatives. This should be very revealing to anyone who considers themselves to be open minded.

Cw, you agreed with me recently when I said it was wrong to prejudge Muslims, why isn't it wrong to prejudge conservatives?

Robert, you personally attacked her intelligence. You were condescending and holier-than-thou. It was uncalled for and not appropriate. PERIOD

Man, it's a weird day when I think Al and Cyber's reactions were OK.

Did she pre-judge conservatives? No. She simply stated she wanted an area with a more diverse view-point. Totally acceptable, IMO. Like I said, I would have empathized with her if she would have asked if the area was too liberal. Too anything.


I never would have suggested that she "reconsider your philosophical beliefs" nor assume that she would "launch your crusade of opening the eyes of the conservatives around you while your children are reaping the rerwards of the better schools your new conservative neighbors established" while exclaiming "I knew my post was going to go over your head" and that "Its too bad you don't have the capabilities to recognize and accept..."

Please explain to me why you feel your personal attacks are justified.

[realtor]

I have to say I'm truly amazed at this conversation...labeling communities w/o the benefit of talking to a single person who lives there! I think it all goes back to the idea that your preception is your reality. If you think the towns people are friendly then YOUR attitude will prevail and sure enough you'll find those friendly people. If you find people to be liberal, right-wing, conservative, etc...then sure enough they will seem to find you. I've lived in the mid-west and west coast. I've found people of all ilks and frankly each has something to teach me...if I can manage to get past my own prejudices.

[Robert Giacometti]

Robert, you personally attacked her intelligence. You were condescending and holier-than-thou. It was uncalled for and not appropriate. PERIOD

Man, it's a weird day when I think Al and Cyber's reactions were OK.

Did she pre-judge conservatives? No. She simply stated she wanted an area with a more diverse view-point. Totally acceptable, IMO. Like I said, I would have empathized with her if she would have asked if the area was too liberal. Too anything.
I never would have suggested that she "reconsider your philosophical beliefs" nor assume that she would "launch your crusade of opening the eyes of the conservatives around you while your children are reaping the rerwards of the better schools your new conservative neighbors established" while exclaiming "I knew my post was going to go over your head" and that "Its too bad you don't have the capabilities to recognize and accept..."

Please explain to me why you feel your personal attacks are justified.

Cw, WOW, I've really got my work cut out for me on this one!

If 2 racists are having a conversation and one is spewing their hate, the one listening probably doesn't think there is anything wrong with the other is saying, because they think alike.

You've agreed you are Liberal ( and pretty anticonservative which is your right!) and Bellaj's appears to be very anticonservative, unfortunately you are NOT able to see her arrogance, her holier-than-thou attitude and her condenscending views, because you both think and talk alike.

Labeling a group of people who you don't know is always wrong!

When Don Imus said the things he did, did anyone criticize anyone who challenged his intelligence? IMO, when people make such arrogant, condenscending, holier-than-thou statements, their lack of intelligence deserves to be challenged.

IMO, all you are doing here is exposing your double standards for Liberalism and against Conservatism.

Since I've been on this forum, I suspect I have been called more names than most others and I try to respect the fact that others have beliefs and they are entitled to their beliefs and just move on. IMO, Bellaj's post is one of the most arrogant, condescending, hoilier-than-thou posts I have ever seen on here! It may be one of the most offensive posts I have ever seen on here, but since you think and talk alike, sadly you just can't see it.

You know I really enjoy our conversations on here, and YES, I'm guilty of trying to pull your chain on occassions. I'm not upset that you are challenging me about my statements, I am so sorry that you are focusing on me instead of the original post.

I'll keep trying.

[Al Waysrite]

Man, it's a weird day when I think Al and Cyber's reactions were OK.

and that should be the lesson for today: When people here THINK they do agree with me.

[bellaj]

Cw, WOW, I've really got my work cut out for me on this one!

If 2 racists are having a conversation and one is spewing their hate, the one listening probably doesn't think there is anything wrong with the other is saying, because they think alike.

You've agreed you are Liberal ( and pretty anticonservative which is your right!) and Bellaj's appears to be very anticonservative, unfortunately you are NOT able to see her arrogance, her holier-than-thou attitude and her condenscending views, because you both think and talk alike.

Labeling a group of people who you don't know is always wrong!

When Don Imus said the things he did, did anyone criticize anyone who challenged his intelligence? IMO, when people make such arrogant, condenscending, holier-than-thou statements, their lack of intelligence deserves to be challenged.

IMO, all you are doing here is exposing your double standards for Liberalism and against Conservatism.

Since I've been on this forum, I suspect I have been called more names than most others and I try to respect the fact that others have beliefs and they are entitled to their beliefs and just move on. IMO, Bellaj's post is one of the most arrogant, condescending, hoilier-than-thou posts I have ever seen on here! It may be one of the most offensive posts I have ever seen on here, but since you think and talk alike, sadly you just can't see it.

You know I really enjoy our conversations on here, and YES, I'm guilty of trying to pull your chain on occassions. I'm not upset that you are challenging me about my statements, I am so sorry that you are focusing on me instead of the original post.

I'll keep trying.

You have pretty thin skin if you think my original post was one of the most arrogant and condescending ones you've ever seen. And your repeated rants in subsequent posts make you sound like an over-sensitive conservative to me. How's that for condescending?

For those of you just joining this debate, please re-read my original post. Apparently it is offensive to some that I would want to live in an area with diverse ideas. Whatever.

[bellaj]

and p.s., wanting to live in an area with diverse viewpoints does not make me "anti conservative"--I acknowledged that GB is very conservative in an earlier post. I was just hoping it's not an area where everyone thinks and acts alike.

Robert I think your posts on this topic have been totally absurd and have completely misunderstood or misrepresented my posts. Having a knee-jerk reaction to the opinions of others rarely serves one well in life.

And yes, I am being deliberately condscending now; it's called sarcaism

[cw68]

and that should be the lesson for today: When people here THINK they do agree with me.

I knew you'd be flattered Al.

Bellaj: you're funny! (And you have a keen insight)

[supermom]

Wow, why don't you guys just get out the six shooters and be done with it.

Robert wants Bellaj to acknowledge that the question she asked was not the problem but rather the way she worded it.

Bellaj wants robert to chill and let her get a feeling for the the diversity of the neighborhoods.

As an old crackhead once said on national tv "can't we just all get along?"

[rlsliger]

You have pretty thin skin if you think my original post was one of the most arrogant and condescending ones you've ever seen. And your repeated rants in subsequent posts make you sound like an over-sensitive conservative to me. How's that for condescending?

+1

[Robert Giacometti]

Bellaj,

Its your title of your post that makes its so offensive by applying a label to a group of people you don't know. The fact you can't seem to recognize its effects, speaks loudly about your beliefs.

IMO, you owe both the good citizens of GB and conservatives an apology for your condescending title. If you want to move to a community to enjoy the benefits of their standards and hard work, maybe you shouldn't be so condescending towards them before you get there.

You can call any name you want, all I ask is for you to get in line and take your turn, but I have to chuckle over being called thin skinned....that is a new one. Congratulations!