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[Nylaan]

I presume no one was there to clock it - don't they have to look at damage to estimate speed or something?

I'm not sure top speed has any legal basis, but if evidence reasonably suggested they were doing 90, in my mind as a juror I would think I would have to take that into account as to the level of negligence involved. If I was told to disregard it from a legal perspective I'd try to, though.

Of course, it didn't go to trial so that doesn't matter, but I still think it is a worthwhile thought process to consider.

[chris v]

Those allegations are what the basis of the reports saying they were street racing were based on. That's all I'm saying.

There was no street racing conviction. So????

[UnionBlondie16]

Nevermind. Everyone was talking about excessive speeding and such. I was just stating that there's no excuse for going 90...

[cw68]

Really though, what would it matter if they were doing 90 mph even 2 miles before it. It doesn't. All accident data is based on the last 1/4 mile before impact. The 90 mph is all allegations anyway, who clocked it?

So what speed do you think they were going before braking and going 67 at impact?

Also, I think it's funny that someone accused Supermom of being sheltered. hehehe
I definitely don't think she's been sheltered, she's probably got more real life experience than 80% of us here.

[chris v]

So what speed do you think they were going before braking and going 67 at impact?

Also, I think it's funny that someone accused Supermom of being sheltered. hehehe
I definitely don't think she's been sheltered, she's probably got more real life experience than 80% of us here.

Impact was not a 67 mph! Braking started at 67 mph.

Look at the damage on the cars, it was not that significant. Very minor if you ask me.

[Orangetj]

Unfortunately, I'd bet dollars to donuts that there are folks who post on this very board who have driven 65+ on Iron Point. My understanding is that the Street Racing allegations didn't end up sticking. Is that correct? I'm not defending what these kids did but I hope that the lesson we can all take away from this horrible incident is that we ALL need to drive more carefully and keep our speeds at or below the posted speed limits, particularly on surface streets.

[Jolene]

Why is everyone arguing about the speeds at which the kids were driving, the speed at which they braked (broke?) and the speed at impact? I thought that information was available to the public at some point? I can't find it now, but I was sure that I'd read it here in the forums once it was released. It seems silly for eveyrone to be arguing about something that would likely be proven by the police investigation (measuring of skid marks, impact between the vehicles, etc, etc).

Just a thought?

[UnionBlondie16]

I remember reading it in the past too. However I can't find it either. And I thought that's what the report said. 90 previous to the accident and 65 at impact. But I could be wrong. Don't send me to the noose though!

[Jolene]

I remember reading it in the past too. However I can't find it either. And I thought that's what the report said. 90 previous to the accident and 65 at impact. But I could be wrong. Don't send me to the noose though!

Lynchmob!!!

(I seem to remember something similar, so I'll be hanging with you.)

[snutey]

The kids drove all the way from the Safeway parking lot passing four witnesses at a high rate of speed (.4 miles from the accident scene). There is a 53 page CHP MAIT report that will tell you the Stealth hit his brakes and 89.7 MPH and impact was 67 MPH. These MAIT guys are the best around and that is why the defense had no defense! Analysis on the crush of both cars, the actions of both cars after impact, skid analysis, time distance, and yes...video analysis all proved the speeds to be correct. It is over folks, the courts have ruled! Why the kids were not tried as adults only the DA can answer. I personally don't buy the "driving fast together" defense, but that is just me... Would more time have been better, I have no idea.

[Darthvader]

Impact was not a 67 mph! Braking started at 67 mph.

Look at the damage on the cars, it was not that significant. Very minor if you ask me.

Minor damage? You joking right? It'd be my guess that most times people aren't killed in accidents with "minor" damage. Do you need to see the car ripped in half to be "sorta messed up?" Yeah I'm sure you could fix the Stealth in a weekend:

http://www.news10.ne...x?storyid=32883

[bishmasterb]

According to the article in the Bee it sounds like the husband is more interested in how the youth conducts himself after he gets out. Mr. McNew didn't attend yesterday because he didn't want to hear empty apologies. The gist of what Mr. McNew said is that after 10 or 20 years of living a clean and productive life this young man can come to him and apologize.

That sounds very noble of him.

[bishmasterb]

After the boy made his statement to the family in the courtroom they thanked him. When he was taken into custody they went over and hugged his mom.

The media reports have made so many allegations about this case that were not accurate. For example, after reporting on this case for 9 months the news used the boys name for the first time - and they even got that wrong! His last name is not Anderson.

I stated on this board all along that once the judge looks at all the facts the boys would not get a hard sentence. Most people didn't want to listen to me and claimed that I was just biased, all I was trying to do was get information out without the media hype and biased slant.

The one thing made very clear yesterday, is that everyone involved is crushed and any kind of healing is a long way away.

That sounds very big of the family, and they seem to realize that the quickest way to healing is to forgive and hopefully move on.

I saw a news show a long time ago that covered a story about a drunk driver who had killed another driver. Over time, the victim's parents forgave the driver and eventually took him in as a sort of foster son. It's incredibly touching when someone can get past the anger and desire for vengeance and look for ways to make a horrible situation better for everyone.

[chris v]

Minor damage? You joking right? It'd be my guess that most times people aren't killed in accidents with "minor" damage. Do you need to see the car ripped in half to be "sorta messed up?" Yeah I'm sure you could fix the Stealth in a weekend:

http://www.news10.ne...x?storyid=32883

Yeah the car doesn't look that bad... considering the speed they were going, nor did her car look that bad. I was there seconds after it happened. I saw the cars in person. It doesn't take away from the fact that they were speeding, but we will never know what she was actually doing. I bet it was part her fault too. I still don't think she was paying attention. And yeah with the right facilities and tools I could make the Stealth look like new in a couple weekends.

[Darthvader]

Yeah the car doesn't look that bad... considering the speed they were going, nor did her car look that bad. I was there seconds after it happened. I saw the cars in person. It doesn't take away from the fact that they were speeding, but we will never know what she was actually doing. I bet it was part her fault too. I still don't think she was paying attention. And yeah with the right facilities and tools I could make the Stealth look like new in a couple weekends.

Part her fault too? Damn that's a bold statement. That exit from the Outlets/Applebees is so friggin dangerous. You need your head on a swivel in both directions and if you miss for a second a speeding car in either direction can be an obvious disaster. This town is so damn traffic light happy they should have added one there the next day.