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#76 palango

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 07:49 AM

If she was an illegal immigrant, arab american, or any minority or even someone just with little or no $$, would the outcome be different???



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Posted 27 January 2009 - 07:56 AM

I don't need to know the reasons why. I will just take Al Waysright's word for it and delete this post out of respect to Ms. Sturgeon, who has obviously remained a noble human being while fighting to recover.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:04 AM

Should have included a good long community requirement assisting in an ER or other drunk driving related function to really see why driving drunk is NOT OK anywhere, anytime.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE (palango @ Jan 27 2009, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If she was an illegal immigrant, arab american, or any minority or even someone just with little or no $, would the outcome be different???


if it was a male who did this he'd still be in jail right now

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (Darthvader @ Jan 26 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unreal. For all the talk of cracking down on drunk driving they sure are letting people off easy. 1 year jail (probably get out early for good behavior) and probation. Oh and 7 years "hanging over her head" which she'll forget about as soon as she gets drunk again tonight. Sad.

And I'm sure she (or her parents) won't be able to pay the $ award so it's another moot point. How frustrating.


I agree, this is completely unreal - she just got away with DUI and nearly killing two people and she didn't even get a slap on the hand....

our failed justice system just taught her that its no big deal to drive drunk - very frustrating!

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:25 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Jan 27 2009, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if it was a male who did this he'd still be in jail right now


You are so right about that Dav. I was thinking about this last night. If it was an adult, white male with no record they'd be sitting in a jail cell for a long time.
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:32 AM

I hope the two victims take that little #$%#$ to civil court and sue her future out from under her. I am utterly disgusted.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:38 AM

QUOTE (stacycam @ Jan 27 2009, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope the two victims take that little #$%#$ to civil court and sue her future out from under her. I am utterly disgusted.

QUOTE (eVader @ Jan 27 2009, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Should have included a good long community requirement assisting in an ER or other drunk driving related function to really see why driving drunk is NOT OK anywhere, anytime.

I agree with both of the above, she should be forced to see what happens to victims of drunk drivers and I hope the 2 ladies go after her for their pain & suffering in civil court.
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:51 AM

QUOTE (palango @ Jan 27 2009, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If she was an illegal immigrant, arab american, or any minority or even someone just with little or no $$, would the outcome be different???

Is everything about race to you?
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 08:56 AM

I actually know Kathy Sturgeon (a little). I'm sure she would wish this discussion stopped. Please respect that.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE (Al Waysrite @ Jan 27 2009, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually know Kathy Sturgeon (a little). I'm sure she would wish this discussion stopped. Please respect that.

Please explain.

what would she not like?

Citizens wanting the justice system to treat all criminal activity with the same or equal punishments for the same crime--regardless, of race, gender, creed or religion?


Perhaps she feels that the citizens are villifying the criminal for causing permanent injury to her?

Perhaps she thinks that the citizens are observing how the justice system has not prevailed and is merely turning her away from her ability to focus on recovery--rather with a bitter anger?

The latter I could understand.

however, the citizens have a right to make observations and certainly I would be appalled if people did not consider her attacker (yes a dui hit with a vehicle is an attack, certainly if she had died the lady would have faced manslaughter with a weapon) as having received a just punishment.

I earnestly do not feel this conversation is about disrespect. Rather, through anger at a failed justice system; it appears that all these citizens are attempting to do the one thing that the justice system has not done.

They have humanized-the victim.

And if you do know Kathi Sturgeon--please let her know, that I am whole heartedly rooting for her to recover fully.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 09:24 AM

Yes I am quite surprised and very mad about the situtaion. This is outrageous! Had paramedics not already been on scene a few miles away for a false alarm and an air transport already in the area one of these ladies would not be here today! This girl needs to serve PRISON time!!!! TBI is a longterm injury and Kathi is still not back to normal function. No amount of money can bring her the life she once had!!!
QUOTE (folsombound @ Jan 26 2009, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (mylo @ Jan 27 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is everything about race to you?


No, but I was making a point that sometimes the justice system favors the rich and sometimes EDH county leans towards the white. I could be so wrong in my assumptions, BUT I was just posing a question. I should have made an even more gemeral assumption (and sanitized it for your consumption) which is if you have $$$$ (regardless of your race/ethnicity), you will have access to a dream team of defense lawyers to defend your son/daughter/spouse/family member and with that great represnetation, they can get a lighter sentence.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE (supermom @ Jan 27 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please explain.

what would she not like?

Citizens wanting the justice system to treat all criminal activity with the same or equal punishments for the same crime--regardless, of race, gender, creed or religion?


Perhaps she feels that the citizens are villifying the criminal for causing permanent injury to her?

Perhaps she thinks that the citizens are observing how the justice system has not prevailed and is merely turning her away from her ability to focus on recovery--rather with a bitter anger?

The latter I could understand.

however, the citizens have a right to make observations and certainly I would be appalled if people did not consider her attacker (yes a dui hit with a vehicle is an attack, certainly if she had died the lady would have faced manslaughter with a weapon) as having received a just punishment.

I earnestly do not feel this conversation is about disrespect. Rather, through anger at a failed justice system; it appears that all these citizens are attempting to do the one thing that the justice system has not done.

They have humanized-the victim.

And if you do know Kathi Sturgeon--please let her know, that I am whole heartedly rooting for her to recover fully.


+1000 well said. I believe that the posters here are just venting their frustrations over hpw easy this girl got off.


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Posted 27 January 2009 - 10:56 AM

I think what Al means is that Kathi would rather us focus on the biblical definition of forgiveness. I certainly think that she needs to be punished and as a Christian offer forgiveness. Just because we (Christians) are called by God to forgive doesn't mean there isn't a consequence for an action!
QUOTE (supermom @ Jan 27 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please explain.

what would she not like?

Citizens wanting the justice system to treat all criminal activity with the same or equal punishments for the same crime--regardless, of race, gender, creed or religion?


Perhaps she feels that the citizens are villifying the criminal for causing permanent injury to her?

Perhaps she thinks that the citizens are observing how the justice system has not prevailed and is merely turning her away from her ability to focus on recovery--rather with a bitter anger?

The latter I could understand.

however, the citizens have a right to make observations and certainly I would be appalled if people did not consider her attacker (yes a dui hit with a vehicle is an attack, certainly if she had died the lady would have faced manslaughter with a weapon) as having received a just punishment.

I earnestly do not feel this conversation is about disrespect. Rather, through anger at a failed justice system; it appears that all these citizens are attempting to do the one thing that the justice system has not done.

They have humanized-the victim.

And if you do know Kathi Sturgeon--please let her know, that I am whole heartedly rooting for her to recover fully.






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