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[Robert Gary]

Yeah, but they're balanced out by the once-weekly bathers. Seriously, if I go for a run or to the gym in the evening, I need to take a shower afterwards even if I took one in the morning.

When we get metered water I'm going to take all my showers at CalFit.

-Robert

[Bill Z]

It was a tongue in cheek comment... perhaps I should have added a or a to make that more clear.

And is this hijacking the thread if I say the following?

Granted my understanding of poly si is dated (it's been awhile since college) but aren't tax payers *always* pegged for choices others make? This is the intersection of a bunch of individuals creating a society. We pay into a system and elect officals to dole it out. We may not directly benefit from some of what they/we pay for, for instance I don't have children but 50% of my taxes support our educational system.
Or for those of you who don't ever participate in public transportation - you still pay for those that do.

No, you aren't "hijacking the thread" at least not in my book, discussions even in person wander around.

Well, if you were being "tongue in cheek", then my apologies for not recognizing that. Yes, an emoticon would have helped.

As for your poly sci, yes our society continues down the path of more & more socialism, unfortunately delivered by both major parties these days, but that doesn't make it right. There are plenty of us that want to reverse this trend, but the sheep of our nation continue to elect the idiots we now have in office. McCain isn't, by far the best the Republicans had to offer (Ron Paul was), and O & H weren't the best the Democrats had to offer, but both inferior quality candidates were able to convince the sheep to vote for them.

[Robert Gary]

No, you aren't "hijacking the thread" at least not in my book, discussions even in person wander around.

Well, if you were being "tongue in cheek", then my apologies for not recognizing that. Yes, an emoticon would have helped.

As for your poly sci, yes our society continues down the path of more & more socialism, unfortunately delivered by both major parties these days, but that doesn't make it right. There are plenty of us that want to reverse this trend, but the sheep of our nation continue to elect the idiots we now have in office. McCain isn't, by far the best the Republicans had to offer (Ron Paul was), and O & H weren't the best the Democrats had to offer, but both inferior quality candidates were able to convince the sheep to vote for them.

The problem is that no one is able to survive in Washington as a state's rights, limited gov't advocate in either party. If our founders knew how our constitution has been hijacked by federalists they would roll in their graves. We're suppose to be the "United States of America" not the "Federalist Republic of America", which is what we are today.

[Andrea V]

When we get metered water I'm going to take all my showers at CalFit.

-Robert

My parents in law are on a well... it has been such a DRY SUMMER that the well is almost DRY!

She has to shower at the gym to get a GOOD shower.

[Bill Z]

The problem is that no one is able to survive in Washington as a state's rights, limited gov't advocate in either party. If our founders knew how our constitution has been hijacked by federalists they would roll in their graves. We're suppose to be the "United States of America" not the "Federalist Republic of America", which is what we are today.

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head.

[Revolutionist]

The problem is that no one is able to survive in Washington as a state's rights, limited gov't advocate in either party. If our founders knew how our constitution has been hijacked by federalists they would roll in their graves. We're suppose to be the "United States of America" not the "Federalist Republic of America", which is what we are today.

While I agree completely with your sentiment, I think it is important to correct the use of "federalist"

Federalists believe in states rights, limited/ weak central government, as much local autonomous rule as possible, - in general the opposite of big government.

Federalism is what you are actually calling for! Not the "Single State of America"

[supermom]

Does this water rationing thing apply to appartments and commercial businesses?

Our appartment runs the sprinklers (grass) for an hour at 9pm then again another hour at 11 pm. Then they use the side sprinklers (bushes) for an hour at 2am. I know because the danged things are really loud at 2am. And I try to walk the dog at 10pm to make sure I don't get soaked.

The other problem is that the water drains into the parking lot and down the city drains--sometimes ( when the sprinkler timer malfunctions ) the city drain is not enough and I have had water up to my tire rims, in the parking lot. That usually happens about 1 a month.

Our family does our best to conserve by washing dishes in the sink-drain the sink-fill it with hot water and rinse.
We don't conserve as far as flushes-but we have a timer in the bathroom for showers. The timer goes off-the water goes off-period.

I think our worst water issue is the laundry though. Maybe I should take it to a laundromat in roseville so they get blamed for our water consumption?

[Andrea V]

I think our worst water issue is the laundry though. Maybe I should take it to a laundromat in roseville so they get blamed for our water consumption?

good idea!

[fosterchic]

It was a tongue in cheek comment... perhaps I should have added a or a to make that more clear.

Aahhh, big hug to you CC. I got your humor right away... wink wink Congratulations on your new home!

[dori2u]

Just heard on KXJZ that Folsom is putting in place drought restrictions next month.

You can have my water when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

[tessieca]

We have a slow drip on trees to encourage deeper root growth. They'll never catch us!

[Bob]

There have been a few posters bringing up the Bee's flawed report regarding our water usage so I will copy my June 20th post from the "Folsom's Water Use Is Highest":



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Robert G. was certainly on the right track regarding the likelihood that the methodology used to determine our water usage "per person" is flawed and deceptive.

By the numbers:

Claimed usage "per person/per day" = 400 gallons

This would be about 146,000 gallons/per person/ per year

An acre foot of water = 325,851 gallons

Therefore, per the report, each person in Folsom would be using about 0.45 acre feet of water per year.

As of 2007, the State of California's estimate of Folsom's population is 70,835

Therefore, this results in a total usage for the City of 31,875 acre feet.

Not surprisingly, this is the sum total of ALL of the City's water rights (about 32,000 acre feet, might be as high as 34,000), which includes about 8,960 acre feet contracted to Aerojet and other large amounts reserved for Intel (2,800), Kikkoman (516), Gekkeikan Sake (150).

So even though the article indicates that their numbers exclude industrial and agriculture, they, at best apparently missed that almost 30% of our water goes to Aerojet.

Therefore, the amount left over for Folsom residents AND all other Folsom businesses, City Parks and landscaped areas would be about 19,724 acre feet. This would result in a revised usage "per person" of only 248 gallons per day, even though, again, that number would include each person’s "share" of water used by businesses and the City. Not too far off of the 190 gallons per day reported for Davis.

Room for improvement? Of course, but the quickness with which some have jumped on this band wagon is surprising.

Class 4: Why has the City not jumped on this? Great intuition on your part. Possibilities- The City gave away between 1/3 and 2/3 of the Aerojet water just a few months ago, by transferring the water permanently to them. Current drought has them concerned?
Of course, there is always the relentless push to build south of 50. The deal they have to buy water from rice farmers, who are now controlled by land speculators, including one of the major land owners south of 50, is not yet guaranteed and getting it from the Sac river to Folsom isn’t either.
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Regards,
Bob

[folsom15]

There have been a few posters bringing up the Bee's flawed report regarding our water usage so I will copy my June 20th post from the "Folsom's Water Use Is Highest":
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Robert G. was certainly on the right track regarding the likelihood that the methodology used to determine our water usage "per person" is flawed and deceptive.

By the numbers:

Claimed usage "per person/per day" = 400 gallons

This would be about 146,000 gallons/per person/ per year

An acre foot of water = 325,851 gallons

Therefore, per the report, each person in Folsom would be using about 0.45 acre feet of water per year.

As of 2007, the State of California's estimate of Folsom's population is 70,835

Therefore, this results in a total usage for the City of 31,875 acre feet.

Not surprisingly, this is the sum total of ALL of the City's water rights (about 32,000 acre feet, might be as high as 34,000), which includes about 8,960 acre feet contracted to Aerojet and other large amounts reserved for Intel (2,800), Kikkoman (516), Gekkeikan Sake (150).

So even though the article indicates that their numbers exclude industrial and agriculture, they, at best apparently missed that almost 30% of our water goes to Aerojet.

Therefore, the amount left over for Folsom residents AND all other Folsom businesses, City Parks and landscaped areas would be about 19,724 acre feet. This would result in a revised usage "per person" of only 248 gallons per day, even though, again, that number would include each person’s "share" of water used by businesses and the City. Not too far off of the 190 gallons per day reported for Davis.

Room for improvement? Of course, but the quickness with which some have jumped on this band wagon is surprising.

Class 4: Why has the City not jumped on this? Great intuition on your part. Possibilities- The City gave away between 1/3 and 2/3 of the Aerojet water just a few months ago, by transferring the water permanently to them. Current drought has them concerned?
Of course, there is always the relentless push to build south of 50. The deal they have to buy water from rice farmers, who are now controlled by land speculators, including one of the major land owners south of 50, is not yet guaranteed and getting it from the Sac river to Folsom isn’t either.
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Regards,
Bob

Very good points Bob. We shouldn't just accept what some pencil pusher puts out as "facts" or "statistics". My experience in this area is that their numbers are quite often wrong from basic oversights like the ones you pointed out. Don't just accept what some expert says as fact....they are mistaken quite often, as you pointed out so well. The very difficult part is to get them to ackowledge a mistake and fix it. That is very hard to make happen.

[dori2u]

Maybe they were busy getting their lighting and landscaping districts down by 20 percent so people wouldn't complain about conserving when they were seeing so much waste in medians and the liike?

I hope the city sets a good example and stops watering the dead grass on the new softball fields at Livermore Park.

[EDF]

We have a slow drip on trees to encourage deeper root growth. They'll never catch us!

last night I celebrated "Friday Night" with a few slurps of Chardonay... and turned on the "bleeder valve" on one of my sprinklers... to water just one section of my backyard shrubs... and then I forgot about it.... let's see I turned it on like 9PM... and was enjoying the night air with my cold drink.... and then went back into the house...

at about 1;30am I woke up from the couch and stumbled into bed... but when I was "relieving" myself before hitting the sack I could hear some noise outside... thought it was my A/C or my pool equipment... checked both and they were off... so I just went to bed...

Woke up this morning and went to the back yard to enjoy my first cup of joe... and wow.. my pool was over flowing... my side yard was flooding... and then it hit me like someone said I could have had a "V-8"....

So thank god they come into effect next week... cause water has been coming out of my back yard for a few hours now... and I'm draining my pool down to the proper level....

Oh well....

as we said during the "vietnam era".... SORRY BOUT THAT....