I agree. Sunrise Mall and Birdcage Walk were right across the street from each other. Our hot/cold climate makes indoor malls much more pleasant and shoppable. Fountains will be a failure, in my opinion. I'd much rather park and go inside to walk one length of the galleria to the other in comfort than park and walk around in the cold (and summer heat) to go from store to store at Fountains. The whole lifestyle center is a southern california concept, where the weather is better year round. It doesn't fit here.

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#76
Posted 09 January 2009 - 04:38 PM
I agree. Sunrise Mall and Birdcage Walk were right across the street from each other. Our hot/cold climate makes indoor malls much more pleasant and shoppable. Fountains will be a failure, in my opinion. I'd much rather park and go inside to walk one length of the galleria to the other in comfort than park and walk around in the cold (and summer heat) to go from store to store at Fountains. The whole lifestyle center is a southern california concept, where the weather is better year round. It doesn't fit here.
#77
Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:34 PM
Yeah, I was joking. I thought it was fairly obvious.
IMHO we have a huge mess with our economy and our government. We are in this mess BECAUSE of our government and their trade policies and a lack of oversight with government agencies like Fanny and Freddy Mac, the banks and the investment brokers. Also their lack of putting America first and keeping jobs here.
Obama wants to place too many citizens on the government payroll and that will not help the economy enough to make a difference. We need about three or four times the jobs he is talking about providing. We need a plan that won't take four years to bring some improvement. By that time, too many will have fallen through the cracks and will be living on the street. Too many will have lost everything.
I have nothing against Obama accept for his inexperience and idealism. Sure, a person has to have high ideals, but there must also be some solid basis for them. Just saying something is going to work is not enough. So far, Obama has not brought any hope to the economic forecasters that are experienced enough to see the problem with our economy to be more complex than what Obama realizes.
I blame the "Free Trade Agreements" that Bill Clinton ushered in, as what really has put us where we are today. A country must have jobs for it to be prosperous and strong. Our jobs have been going over seas and the ones left have been going to the illegal immigrates and those here on Visas. Today, American men can not make a living in construction like they used to 10 years ago. The wages have been kept down with the illegals here, willing to do the work for lower wages. As well as restaurant work, retail and many others.
The college educated have seen many of the jobs in technology go over seas and the ones left here they must compete for with those workers from India and other countries here on Visas.
1. Our government needs to build a fence on the border with Mexico and start really enforcing our immigration and labor laws.
2. The Free Trade laws have cost Americans way too much and it needs to stop. Tariffs need to be placed on those companies that go over seas that ship goods back here and if they should be made to pay taxes. After all, they got their start here so why shouldn't they pay some sort of taxes?
3. American businesses here need to have some sort of bail out loans so they don't have to go under and people lose their jobs. They gave a huge bail out to banks and they took the money and ran with it. What good did it do our economy? It was a very stupid move by our government, that did not help us a bit.
4. Government waste has to stop. I heard that 3.3 Trillion dollars has gone missing and nobody in our government knows where it went. Do you think a business could get away with that? You are right, they could not.
5. Until the people in this country start protesting and holding their leaders accountable, and stop making excuses for them, we will all suffer from this broken system and our inept government.
By the way, on the news last night it was said we may all get an "IOU" in place of our tax returns. California is in big trouble and we have a "Tax and Spend" government to thank for it. Dems need to understand that when there are no wages to tax, there must be changes made to correct the situation. Raising taxes won't work when we have no income to tax. Nor will raising fees, raising sales tax or raising gas tax.
Somebody please....help me understand why our state government does not understand we need more jobs, not more taxes! Are they all morons????
(end of rant)
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#78
Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:44 PM
Hey, just sayin' you can't blame everything on the Democrats....try as you might

#79
Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:45 PM
As for Birdcage walk, I don't understand why with the sweltering heat in summer and the typical rains in December, developers think an open air mall works in Folsom, I really wish Palladio was being built as an indoor mall.
I totally agree.
During the "Rain in your face" days, around Christmas, I hated going shopping with my wife and kids at the outdoors malls and pleaded with them to go to the Galleria instead.
Why would anyone want to have to go shopping where there is no cover from the elements? It's just stupid.
Some idiot probably thought an out door shopping center was more in line with the Elite thinking here in Folsom.
Although the looks of the new shopping center in El Dorado Hills is nice, you have the same exact experience as with any other out doors shopping center. Open the door and you get hit with a blast of 103 degree temperature or some nice wind blowing rain in your face.
Yeah, that really is smart planning.

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#80
Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:53 PM
Hey, just sayin' you can't blame everything on the Democrats....try as you might

Actually, you are right!
But remember...Bush is far from a conservative as he presented himself to be during his election. He has been the most liberal Republican in history, in my opinion and in the opinion of many others.
Which is exactly why most true conservatives hate him....or should.
But if you have followed the goings on, down at out capitol, you know the biggest problem is with the Dems not wanting to cut any of their programs or even give up the automatic increases that were scheduled for them. That is why there has not been any settlement for our state budget.
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#81
Posted 09 January 2009 - 07:36 PM
#82
Posted 09 January 2009 - 08:49 PM
During the "Rain in your face" days, around Christmas, I hated going shopping with my wife and kids at the outdoors malls and pleaded with them to go to the Galleria instead.
Why would anyone want to have to go shopping where there is no cover from the elements? It's just stupid.
Some idiot probably thought an out door shopping center was more in line with the Elite thinking here in Folsom.
Although the looks of the new shopping center in El Dorado Hills is nice, you have the same exact experience as with any other out doors shopping center. Open the door and you get hit with a blast of 103 degree temperature or some nice wind blowing rain in your face.
Yeah, that really is smart planning.

Exactly!!! If they finished this outdoor mall, I'd still be driving to Roseville to do my mall shopping. Because part of the convenience of going to the mall is that you don't have to go in and out of the cold, the rain or the heat all the time.
If I go to the mall in the winter I leave my coat in the car, deal with the cold for the minute and a half that it takes me to get inside and then I can shop without having to worry about getting too hot by wearing my coat, or about knocking everything over if I have to hold it. Too much to worry about. Especially when you're trying to hold a gazillion bags when you're Christmas shopping. No thanks...
Nancy
#83
Posted 09 January 2009 - 09:17 PM
I think we have both Democrats and Republicans aplenty to blame. I should have said "those who want to tax and spend" rather than appear to blame only Dems. The fact is, there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides.
But, to be fair, it has been the Republicans in California who have stood up and declared they will not tax the public any more. That has stalled the budget from going through because Democrats want to increase taxes WITHOUT, making any cut backs. Maybe you would like to pay more taxes, but many have lost their income and are struggling as it is. Is it right for the hardships of these times to be placed on the backs of those who are already having trouble making ends meet? We all need to share the hardships, not raise the burdens.
In this economy, everybody must come to the table and co-operate, not demand the same as usual.
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#84
Posted 10 January 2009 - 06:25 AM
(And incidentally, people complaining about weather here really make me grin. Do you know how good you have it?)
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#85
Posted 10 January 2009 - 09:58 AM
If I go to the mall in the winter I leave my coat in the car, deal with the cold for the minute and a half that it takes me to get inside and then I can shop without having to worry about getting too hot by wearing my coat, or about knocking everything over if I have to hold it. Too much to worry about. Especially when you're trying to hold a gazillion bags when you're Christmas shopping. No thanks...
Nancy
Ditto! If I really needed something at one store at an outdoor mall, I'd hit up that one store and be done. At an inside mall I'd likely shop at more than one store.
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#86
Posted 10 January 2009 - 10:06 AM
It's not as if there will be no shade, coverage and overhangs even though it is not enclosed.
If there is some severe rainstorm pouring buckets of rain and flooding streets, I'm not driving to Roseville either. There is nothing at a mall that is so important for me to buy that it can't wait one day or even several days.
#87
(The Dude)
Posted 10 January 2009 - 10:47 AM
(And incidentally, people complaining about weather here really make me grin. Do you know how good you have it?)
They have no idea how good they have it. Amazing to hear the complaints about being outdoors, you'd think they lived in Michigan.
#88
Posted 10 January 2009 - 02:11 PM
Ha ha.
I've lived here for years and not seen a storm yet.
#89
Posted 10 January 2009 - 02:30 PM
Those folks from Michigan don't know how well they've got it until they've spent winter at a research center cut off from civilization in Antarctica.
It's not how mild others think the weather is. It's perception for those who will actually use the mall. From a lot of the recent discussion, the perception seems to be that many folks don't want to endure the Folsom elements. If that contributes to a failed business, then the business can only blame itself for not doing proper research.
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#90
Posted 10 January 2009 - 02:37 PM
I know.. It really is kind of sad isn't it?

But still, having the choice of driving to Roseville so I can shop indoors or going to an outdoor mall in the rain or the heat? I'm going to Roseville. That's just me.
On the other hand, if this was an outdoor mall that had all the stereotypical American indoor mall stores? Honestly, I'd probably go to the new mall and just get slightly grumpy about having to go in and out of the "weather"

And I know people who live in Arizona. They crank up the air conditioning and stay inside in the middle of the day just like we do if they don't have to go anywhere. But just like here, if you've got to get stuff done, you've got to get stuff done. Nobody actually likes being out in 105 degree heat. You just deal with it.
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