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#76 mylo

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (sty10k @ Mar 4 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait...so this is the business model if I'm following it correctly...

1. Kid swipes ordinary over the counter medication from home
2. Drug dealer trades illicit drugs for OTC medication
3. Drug dealer sells OTC medication to someone without insurance (who can easily buy medication at store since it's OTC)
4. Drug dealer takes an expedition to high school
5. Presumably the cycle starts again

Seems like there are a few steps missing. Why involve the high schooler? Why not just sell OTC medication to people without insurance? Seems like a much more direct plan.

Maybe he gets the OTC medicine at deep discount, because kids will trade a whole (gasp) bottle of advil for like $1 dollar worth of weed.

Thinking about it, this is the sort of procurement innovation we need in nationalized healthcare. Let's hire these kids to reform drug industry government policy!
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Posted 04 March 2009 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (mylo @ Mar 4 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uhm, most recently In'n'Out. Dead on noon there's punks just loitering around the place. I'm not old enough (yet) to assume a 20y/o is 12, these are real school aged kids!


well then apparently FHS and Vista are not closed campus's if you're seeing students at in-n-out all the time.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 05:30 PM

As a former teen, someone who came up before the era of 'just say no', parent of two teens, organizer of community forums on drug abuse among kids, observer and advice giver, I've learned quite a bit. I'm not a certified bonafide expert, but that's never stopped me from shooting my mouth of, so here goes...

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Mar 3 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If drugs are everywhere at FHS , how does all these students, who are on drugs, score so well on test scores?

Ever heard of a functioning alcoholic? Millions of people go to work high each and every day. Their substance abuse often catches up with them.

Top acheivers are often very susceptible to drug abuse and addiction. Many feel they are so good at what they do, they can control it. Some can balance drug abuse and manage to do well in school, athletics, church, etc.

I remember my daughters and their friends claiming that the preppies and jocks did as much if not more drug and alcohol abuse, but because they were neat and polite and got good grades, no one bothered them.


If drugs are everwhere how do the students continually have the Top rated band in the country...

You are kidding, right? A musician I know once said that athletics without steroids is like music without drugs. I may not agree with her, but her point was that musicians have been abusing drugs forever. I had an agument with one of our members here once about the music of Stevie Ray Vaughan, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers before and after they got off of drugs. His argument was that they were better high.

I know two young men who were stars of bands here in Folsom. One is in an out of town rehab center, and the other recently sold the last of his musical equipment to buy his next fix. Both are addicted to heroin, right here in Folsom.



QUOTE (futile @ Mar 4 2009, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my God! Drugs?! DRUGS???!!!! Thats worse than gangbangers right? Quit freaking out folks. Be happy your child isn't being jumped into a gang. Drugs are simple to bypass if your child is EDUCATED about them. Most teens try doing drugs in high school. I tried almost everything under the sun in high school. I enjoyed every minute of it.

Dare I call that an irresponsible and naive statement? Despite years of spending money to educate kids about the dangers of drug abuse, they still do them. The message needs to come from their parents and peers, not from labels and commercials. As long as they see actors, musicians, their friends and in many cases their parents doing drugs, they will continue to do so as well.

To dismiss it as something harmless, a rite or 'right' of passage, and something to be enjoyed is dangerous.


The ones who suffer and end up as junkies are the ones with family issues, and terrible information about these substances.

You must come to one of our PEP forums some time. You will learn that kids from wealthy, loving, religious, 2-parent households with everything going for them can just as easily fall into addiction as the ones with 'family issues'.

Drugs don't select their victims. Victims select their drugs.


Good luck!

Indeed


To the 'it's just pot' crowd, I can tell you that that phrase is the one cops, counselors, health care workers and teachers dread the most, coming from a parent.

At one of our PEP talks, one of the counselors explained that it's not 'just pot', it's a relationship with intoxication. While there are people who tried marijuana once and never again, and some who made it their drug of choice without trying any others, the vast majority develop the relationship with intoxication, and will try other intoxicants.

If you take away someone's weed, they will try the cough syrup, the vodka, the coke, the heroin, whatever will get them high. When I was a kid, someone told me that you could get high smoking a banana leaf. I thought they meant the skin. Man those things are hard to light!

I am not an anti-drug crusader, but rather, would love to see a world where kids make it through to adulthood without getting sidetracked, addicted or overdosing on drugs. There's plenty of time to dope it up once one reaches adulthood.

I'd have no objection to the guy making and eating his brownies and sharing them with friends, but to bring them to school and sell them to kids, that has to be taken very siriously.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Mar 4 2009, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As a former teen, someone who came up before the era of 'just say no', parent of two teens, organizer of community forums on drug abuse among kids, observer and advice giver, I've learned quite a bit. I'm not a certified bonafide expert, but that's never stopped me from shooting my mouth of, so here goes..


Steve, if drugs and alcohol impair motor skills, and IF there is such a widespread drug/alcohol problem at FHS, how are the student athletes/band members/drama club able to compete so successfully and win, if they are all so wasted all the time?

I suspect the answer is that the majority of the students at FHS don't get involved in drugs. There are some who do and there are some who try to bring those who don't, down, by making accusations that can't be verified. Are those who are implying its a widespread problem, part of the "in" crowd or are they maybe dealing with their own insecurities and/or jealousies?

Just because one fool tries to sell pot laced brownies at school doesn't translate into a widespread drug problem at FHS. There are hundreds of other students who are achieving success at many different levels, that tell me the problem isn't that widespread.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 07:01 PM

For those who think, how could someone excel at sports and be a recreational drug user.

Ask yourself, when do you think Michael Phelps first used a bong? Before or after winning all his gold medals.
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Posted 04 March 2009 - 08:03 PM

alcohol and drugs ARE very prevelent at folsom high school. it is scary. it is just a matter of time until it becomes the same at vista. it is very sad. alcoholism and drug addicts do not have to be "loaded", they just need a buzz. so yes, kids can go to school high, or get loaded there. all of the consumption isn't necessarily happening during school hours. some sale and transfer of alcohol and drugs happen on campus, but not all of the consumption takes place there. does every kid indulge, of course not. do a large number? most definitely. is it just "those kids", not a chance. that's what being 'popular' is all about.

we have a sad belief as well here in our perfect little town. "they're going to drink wherever they go, so they may as well stay home in our house and drink, at least we'll know they're safe".....also, happens more than you'd like to believe.

it is here, tenfold what any of us want to believe. just like the sex at dances people, believe what you want, it is happening.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Mar 4 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For those who think, how could someone excel at sports and be a recreational drug user.

Ask yourself, when do you think Michael Phelps first used a bong? Before or after winning all his gold medals.


Aren't these athletes tested and retested for drugs.? I'm NOT aware of Michael Phelps testing positive for drugs.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 11:02 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Mar 4 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Steve, if drugs and alcohol impair motor skills, and IF there is such a widespread drug/alcohol problem at FHS, how are the student athletes/band members/drama club able to compete so successfully and win, if they are all so wasted all the time?

As I said, people can perform and acheive while on drugs. Think about all of the professional athletes and musicians who get busted.

It can also have to do with the amount of drugs one does. If a kid gets blitzed on the weekend, drinking, smoking, snorting and even shooting up, but then shows up on time and does his/her school work, no one is the wiser, for a while. It eventually catches up, though.

I don't think the majority of kids in Folsom are on dope, but how many have to be for us to consider it a problem? 1%? 10? 50?

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Mar 4 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Steve, if drugs and alcohol impair motor skills, and IF there is such a widespread drug/alcohol problem at FHS, how are the student athletes/band members/drama club able to compete so successfully and win, if they are all so wasted all the time?

I suspect the answer is that the majority of the students at FHS don't get involved in drugs. There are some who do and there are some who try to bring those who don't, down, by making accusations that can't be verified. Are those who are implying its a widespread problem, part of the "in" crowd or are they maybe dealing with their own insecurities and/or jealousies?

Just because one fool tries to sell pot laced brownies at school doesn't translate into a widespread drug problem at FHS. There are hundreds of other students who are achieving success at many different levels, that tell me the problem isn't that widespread.


Steve gave you more than enough answers yet you still fail to see what's going on. Move along, you obviously see everything through rose colored glasses.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 08:14 AM

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Aren't these athletes tested and retested for drugs.? I'm NOT aware of Michael Phelps testing positive for drugs.

For the olympics and sports, they test for steroid use and other performance enhancers.
Marijuana, alcohol, and others can hardly be considered as performance enhancers.
Drug testing ain't cheap and there is no single test for any & all drugs. So drug tests are usually somewhat specific depending on who is ordering the test and what substances they are interested in. An employer that pays for pre-employment drug testing likely isn't going to pay for a steroid or other muscle building compound, rather they are more interested in things like crank, pot, and stuff. The olympic committee doesn't care if you get high or drunk, they only care if you take something that can improve your performance like speed, steroids and what have you.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (sty10k @ Mar 4 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait...so this is the business model if I'm following it correctly...

1. Kid swipes ordinary over the counter medication from home
2. Drug dealer trades illicit drugs for OTC medication
3. Drug dealer sells OTC medication to someone without insurance (who can easily buy medication at store since it's OTC)
4. Drug dealer takes an expedition to high school
5. Presumably the cycle starts again

Seems like there are a few steps missing. Why involve the high schooler? Why not just sell OTC medication to people without insurance? Seems like a much more direct plan.

Funny styk--still trying to knock everything I say down. Gotta love your adoration of me.

I'll make it clear. Stolen meds are sold / traded through the black market--because there is a niche in our society for people who cannot buy those meds at hospitals or pharmacies.

Yes, those dealers are using high school students as an engine to grease their swanky palms.

These use their addictions to steal from homes (so much easier than the risk of actually burglarizing homes or pharmacies).

You can disbelieve it all you want--but it is happening. A lot.


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Posted 05 March 2009 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE (supermom @ Mar 5 2009, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny styk--still trying to knock everything I say down. Gotta love your adoration of me.

I'll make it clear. Stolen meds are sold / traded through the black market--because there is a niche in our society for people who cannot buy those meds at hospitals or pharmacies.

Yes, those dealers are using high school students as an engine to grease their swanky palms.

These use their addictions to steal from homes (so much easier than the risk of actually burglarizing homes or pharmacies).

You can disbelieve it all you want--but it is happening. A lot.


I graduated high school two years ago. Not once did I ever hear of a ridiculous cycle like the one you've been talking about, and I figure word would have spread if a dealer was willing to trade psychoactive drugs for non-psychoactive OTC medications.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (tessieca @ Mar 3 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Caution against perpetuating unsubstantiated rumors. This has no factual basis. Every school has these problems these days. As a high school parent I'm more concerned about the drugs in parents' medicine cabinets.

I never stated it was a fact and it came from a teacher at FHS along with my Son who goes to FHS so its pretty reliable. Regardless, its a HUGE problem at FHS that no one is doing anything about.

If parents were smart they would lock up anything that their kids could get their hands on.


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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:21 AM

I've got some concentrated infant Tylenol. That's gotta be good for some hash or something, right?
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:02 AM

QUOTE (nlove4ever @ Mar 5 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never stated it was a fact and it came from a teacher at FHS along with my Son who goes to FHS so its pretty reliable. Regardless, its a HUGE problem at FHS that no one is doing anything about.

If parents were smart they would lock up anything that their kids could get their hands on.

We ARE trying to do something about it! The police have been trying, the schools have been trying, parents, counselors and the City have been trying.

We've hosted forums for parents and kids alike. Most have been poorly attended (1 had only 12).

Most seem to mistakenly believe:

a) If you igore it, it will go away
b) It's not a big deal
c) Talking about it will only arouse curiousity
d) Admitting it will hurt our (school, city, family) image
e) My kid would NEVER do that
f) All of the above



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