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[mylo]

No thanks. A glass of wine is easier. No copays or doctor appointments.

Can I get wine insurance and just pay a deductible?

[ducky]

They are all different. I do not feel it's appropriate to share my hubby's medical condition since people tend to use it against me in other posts. I will say that there is one person with skin/brain cancer, one with Crones disease(sp)(I do not know what it is), one person with collapsed discs and fractured spine and another that suffers from extreme anxiety. I personally would rather them smoke MJ if it helps, than take pills which often causes other health issues due to side effects.

I do not think you can get medicinal marijuana from the state.

I find your post funny though. There are plenty of people on disability that cannot afford their pill medications and use state aid to get their medication...So basically we are paying for their health care and their monthly survival. 10 years of contribution is not enough and will exhaust our social security system by 2037. I just got my paper in the mail which explained all of this fun information to me. Sadly, I will pay into a system for possibly 45 years, so that others may use it, however I will never see a return. I wish that I could take at least 1/2 of that money to invest in my own future, not pay for others.

Secondhand smoke, I will agree with however I can not tell you how many times I encounter this with cigarette smokers.

Fires occur everyday and I could speculate that more are due to candles, cigarettes or faulty wires due to marijuana grow lights.

911 calls really? I know there are more calls due to domestic violence than anything else and yet they tend to go back to their abuser. We gonna start charging those women whom call 911 and then say nevermind when the police come?

Impaired...there are more people with their dang cell phones stuck to their hands or people eating while driving than their are people smoking marijuana and driving.

I think your knowledge or lack there of, associated with marijuana users and the issues our society faces are evident in your post. People are able to go to their doctors and receive prescriptions and you should have zero, nadda, zip to say about it.

Funny that you have an opinion on these people but not the real health issue for our country which is obesity...no one is up in arms about that. As a person with weight issues, I will own up to my own contribution to our failing health system, though I haven't had any medical issues besides being vitamin D deficient. However to blame my husband or people like him for using medication responsibly, is absolutely ridiculous.

I find it funny all the assumptions you come to regarding about my questions.

First off, you aren't the only one that won't see what you've paid into Social Security. I've been paying much longer than you have been and I already know I won't see a dime.

The 9-1-1 reference and the fire really happened on my street. The neighbor called to see what was taking so long because the flames were now getting close to their house and these people were busy tossing pot plants out the back window and had apparently called the FD and said everything was under control. I guess there could be an argument there that if it was legalized that situation probably wouldn't have happened.

Yes, I don't know a lot about reasons people get their MJ cards. I was asking questions. I guess you find that funny because a person like yourself, who already knows everything, doesn't feel the need to be informed. I fully admit I don't know everything and I'm not ashamed of that. By the way, Crohn's disease is a very painful, chronic GI disease where your bowels become infected and inflamed sometimes requiring surgery. I know someone who suffers with that condition. I absolutely think she should be able to smoke whatever she wants to get relief. I just haven't found a reliable medical article that states it does. On the contrary, I see that smoking is actually listed as a risk factor for that disease.

I have never blamed anyone for using medicinal marijuana responsibly. To say I have makes you ridiculous. If people want to smoke it recreationally, that's their business, not mine. I just think that those fakers who claimillness or injury to sit around without a job and smoke pot all day make a bad name and a stigma for those who really do need the MJ card.

[doj_gal]

I have never blamed anyone for using medicinal marijuana responsibly. To say I have makes you ridiculous. If people want to smoke it recreationally, that's their business, not mine. I just think that those fakers who claimillness or injury to sit around without a job and smoke pot all day make a bad name and a stigma for those who really do need the MJ card.

Sorry...I did not mean to come off as being rude. I just find so many of the people whom are against MJ are the first to pop pills or drink after a long day. I guess I just do not care if someone wants to drink, pill or smoke their life away...that is until they want help from the general population.

Oh and as far as knowing everything...this is all new to me. I have never claimed that I do. I know a lot because my hubby is a patient and I take offense to him being labeled a loser. We have had our issues and worked them out. Some people take those and bring them up in other cases such as this. There is such a negetive stigma that goes along with MJ. I just don't get it. Personally, I do not like to take anything...pills, alcohol or MJ. However, for others that do, I am not labeling them. I guess I just don't see the point to call a black kettle black.

[supermom]

I thought that was an odd thing to say to you too since you were just trying to help give perspective on the subject by telling about this particular situation...

I also found supermom's disparaging comment extremely odd that was against the poster who gave his experienced perspective about the legitimacy of the licenses.. and I'm still trying to figure out what she was expecting the mods to do about the backlash she received for it? - hate to say, but it was deserved, if the mods did anything, her comment should have been deleted.... it was uncalled for.

It's really strange how some folks are lashing out so angrily about this subject...

do they work as lobbyists for the alcohol and tobacco industries?

Dav-my comment wasn't disparaging. It was however, an honest open bellied laugh.

A good chuckle. Funny how I read that note and heard a pot heads excuses and. You read that not and, what?believe there aren't any drugs out there that can effectively stop seizures, if the medication is used?right, cause, I don't know about you- but I don't see a whole lotta folks falling down and seizzing up,on a day to day basis. In fact, my personal experience with someone who had epilepsy, is that marijuana is strongly discouraged.

honestly-all of the arguments pro and con for marijuana useage seem rather self serving and lack thought perspective, in my opinion.

And yes, that is my opinion.

As for legal cards-it is my opinion that if it is going to be allowed (I'm still on the fence about that)-then it should only be given to terminal patients whom will definitely die before the effects of smoking have caught up to them-from a health and social stand point.

I definitely am concerned about the availability of marijuana to my kids. Whether it be legal or not-there will always be a black market to sell to kids.

And I definitely would worry about a woman and small child in a household with an incredibly angry,confrontational person whom is taking mariujuana to control their social behaviors. Especially if the child is home alone wwith that person on a daily basis.

There have been many cases where persons will have side effects from taking marijuana that is not in the norm. Those include rage.

For those of you whom may be taking marijuana without the guidance of a licensed doctor and are having troubles at home-please consider asking your doctor if marijuana is the right remedy for you.

[supermom]

Alcohol is not the subject of this thread.

But if it were; I would wonder if the proven addiction rates, and health issues like cyrhossis (sp?) Would outweigh the good from legalizing it for recreational or bar card use.

I have not claimed I am an expert in marijuana.

But I have heard of people having adverse reactions to marijuana. To include rage, bouts of psychosis, stop breathing,

Sorry that doesn't fit into your nicely bundled up package of happy reasons to buy brownies.

Why would that disturb you? Because suddenly marijuana could be compared to castor oil? Or the great "laudanum" (prolly more likely if comparing addictive drugs-then again, laudanum was a derivative of poppies?) ?

There are people out there, whom in the heat of reciting a popular bandwagon- may overlook that just like any type of "addictive" drug-it is strongly recommended that the user only use the drug under the supervision of a licensed doctor.

Sorry-I don't believe that marijuana is the fix it ticket for every illness out there. But I do believe it can mask symptoms of diseases or societal problems-which can be more effectively controlled than what is currently happening.

[folsom500]

I don't know about you- but I don't see a whole lotta folks falling down and seizzing up,on a day to day basis. In fact, my personal experience with someone who had epilepsy, is that marijuana is strongly discouraged.

Sorting through the chaffe on google here is one of the reputable sources that suggests Marijuana used by epilepsy patients helps them...

http://www.neurology...ract/62/11/2095

EUROLOGY 2004;62:2095-2097
© 2004 American Academy of Neurology
Brief Communications
Marijuana use and epilepsy

Prevalence in patients of a tertiary care epilepsy center
D. W. Gross, MD, J. Hamm, BA, N. L. Ashworth, MD MSc and D. Quigley, BSN
From the University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. Donald W. Gross, Division of Neurology, Department of Medicine, 2E3.19 Walter C. Mackenzie Health Sciences Centre, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2B7, Canada; e-mail: donald.gross@ualberta.ca

The authors sought to determine the prevalence of marijuana use in patients with epilepsy by performing a telephone survey in a tertiary care epilepsy center. Twenty-one percent of subjects had used marijuana in the past year with the majority of active users reporting beneficial effects on seizures. Twenty-four percent of all subjects believed marijuana was an effective therapy for epilepsy. Despite limited evidence of efficacy, many patients with epilepsy believe marijuana is an effective therapy for epilepsy and are actively using it.

[doj_gal]

Dav-my comment wasn't disparaging. It was however, an honest open bellied laugh.

A good chuckle. Funny how I read that note and heard a pot heads excuses and. You read that not and, what?believe there aren't any drugs out there that can effectively stop seizures, if the medication is used?right, cause, I don't know about you- but I don't see a whole lotta folks falling down and seizzing up,on a day to day basis. In fact, my personal experience with someone who had epilepsy, is that marijuana is strongly discouraged.

honestly-all of the arguments pro and con for marijuana useage seem rather self serving and lack thought perspective, in my opinion.

And yes, that is my opinion.

As for legal cards-it is my opinion that if it is going to be allowed (I'm still on the fence about that)-then it should only be given to terminal patients whom will definitely die before the effects of smoking have caught up to them-from a health and social stand point.

You're not a doctor so let's leave it up to them to form an opinion about who should have the acessability to medicinal MJ.

I definitely am concerned about the availability of marijuana to my kids. Whether it be legal or not-there will always be a black market to sell to kids.

And your kids will be the first in line at parties to partake in smoking it. As a teen it was always much easier to get alcohol than it ever was to get any other drugs. If you do not want your kids to experience things then raise them to not want to. Stay involved in their life...hey maybe sign off the computer every once and awhile and spend quality time with them.

And I definitely would worry about a woman and small child in a household with an incredibly angry,confrontational person whom is taking mariujuana to control their social behaviors. Especially if the child is home alone wwith that person on a daily basis.

You really need to stop talking about my family, this is getting really f*cking old. You have no clue what goes on in my house and cannot use those assumptions to blanket the whole medicinal MJ patients. Again, I have asked you to stop talking about my family or even suggesting in any of your posts. You must be going through menopause or something cause you really are getting on everyone's nerves and being extremely rude for no reason. I do not agree with you...SO WHAT...get a life!

There have been many cases where persons will have side effects from taking marijuana that is not in the norm. Those include rage.

Again if you have these cases you need to put links to verify otherwise you're just blowing smoke out your you know what.

For those of you whom may be taking marijuana without the guidance of a licensed doctor and are having troubles at home-please consider asking your doctor if marijuana is the right remedy for you.

You really need to seek a professionals help for not only the well being of yourself but also your children before you spout out how others should live.

I am done with you. Do not talk about my family again. I am serious!

[brown]

But I have heard of people having adverse reactions to marijuana. To include rage, bouts of psychosis, stop breathing,

Oh I agree...I've seen Reefer Madness too!

[folsom500]

Oh I agree...I've seen Reefer Madness too!

Dang - I was going to mention that -

Watch it here http://video.google....82420128930236#

This is exactly what supermom was talking about - beware and tell your kids !

[Dave Burrell]

Oh I agree...I've seen Reefer Madness too!

that pretty much sums up all the paranoia about weed here, well played.

Supermom, I'm sorry but (IMO) you really come off as putting ALL people down who have medical justification for using it, and you're way off base.
No offense, just sayin'....

I don't see how you or anyone else has the right to deny it to people who do have legitimate reasons to use it. (I'm not talking about partying stoner's, I'm talking about medical patients, and not just terminal ones).

Neither you, nor I - have the right to decide what's best for others.

[supermom]

I don't know about putting all people down who have medical justification-as you call it.

I don't see a lot of things as justification.

I do get concerned at the idea of giving someone a "controlled substance" to ease their discomfort when fighting an illness (oxycontin also fits this profile-in my opinion) then as the illness is cured they must go through rehab. Or the illness is not cured.

Note-I did not say hey let's withhhold any relief at all from patients of illnesses.

I'm saying, there is way too much latitude in medicating.

Frankly, that goes for more than marijuana or oxy.

As for the alcohol- I was trying to keep it separate because it is considered a different type of drug by the nature of how it affects most people - in a general sense.

Are there adverse or severe adverse reactions to most drugs? Yes.

However, marijuana has been instilled into the fabric of our culture as being a natural drug- therefore free from causing harm.

And that is just not so.

[4thgenFolsomite]

I just heard Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts' brother, has checked himself into rehab for an addiction to medical marijuana!

[brown]

I just heard Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts' brother, has checked himself into rehab for an addiction to medical marijuana!

He'd just better hope Bob Saget is not in there with him!