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[tsukiji]

Wow, 5 pages on this topic. Pass the popcorn!

What a debacle of sensationalism and speculation this event has triggered. And then on top of that, there's the crap in the press/media.

Perhaps this is just another method of Darwin at work. The intersection of the lives of two idiots who should know better but don't behave as such. Such things happen everyday. Shiff happens. Just yesterday, there was reminder of the sports fan who was beaten to the point of disability just for wearing the wrong jersey. Shiff happens. Sometimes there is no justice. Perhaps only faith in Karma can bring comfort.

The powers that be would divide us and distract us from the real problems of the world. The ones that would impact us all broadly. The ones that would rule and overcome us.

Is this an event we really want to focus on? Or is this an event for which politicians and the media would use to distract us? As much as we like to consider ourselves as multitaskers, the reality is that we can probably only effectively focus on a handful of things at once. On what current events would you choose? But if you must choose a homicide to rage against, why not the 17th homicide of the year in Stockton -- a 2 year old attacked by his father?

[The Average Joe]

AWESOME POST!

[Carl G]

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The story is news worthy and deserves attention because it involves the highest crime a person can committ inthis country.
If you don't like it, too bad. Find another thread to read.
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Supermom - you are showing your bias. You don't know if Zimmerman committed the highest crime; there has been no trial. Self-defense is not a crime. We are going to have to wait to find out what the facts are. Until then all this is just a bunch of, as you put it, just a bunch of blah, blah, blah.

[supermom]

Supermom - you are showing your bias. You don't know if Zimmerman committed the highest crime; there has been no trial. Self-defense is not a crime. We are going to have to wait to find out what the facts are. Until then all this is just a bunch of, as you put it, just a bunch of blah, blah, blah.

I have already I have an opinion.

Zimmerman has already stated he killed Treyvon.

Zimmerman claims it was self-defense.

I have already stated I believe there were circumstances that makes me believe that the killing of Treyvon was not a simple act of self-defense, and that I believe the killing was an act of manslaughter.

Going into this conversation, one already knows I have an opinion. However, my opinion is not a bias about media, political groups, or race.

[Carl G]

I have already I have an opinion.

Zimmerman has already stated he killed Treyvon.

Zimmerman claims it was self-defense.

I have already stated I believe there were circumstances that makes me believe that the killing of Treyvon was not a simple act of self-defense, and that I believe the killing was an act of manslaughter.

Going into this conversation, one already knows I have an opinion. However, my opinion is not a bias about media, political groups, or race.

I hear you. I just like to make informed decisions, especially with something as serious as this.

[supermom]

I hear you. I just like to make informed decisions, especially with something as serious as this.

Oh!! I agree!

I am one of those kinds of people who like to talk about things that seem off because often in hearing other's people perspective, scenario's, reminding of laws, etc--is when you become the most informed. I have a definite interest in law and criminal justice (academically); which is why I find these types of cases so fascinating, and like to encourage conversation about scenario's. It broadens and deepens my perspective on other people's thought processes and how law is applied as written.

[The Average Joe]

I was at a lady's house on Friday and she was repeating so much FALSE information that she had gotten from televised news on this case. When I mentioned that some of that was inaccurate, she actually said (I'm paraphrasing, but it is pretty close), "Well, I watch democratic news stations" !!?$%? What the heck ? I didn't know we had finally admitted there were "democratic news stations." Maybe she meant NBC who was guilty of selectively editing the 911 tape. And does that mean that if they agree with us politically that they are exempt from scrutiny?
She went on to state that she was sure the story was different on FOX news. C'mon people, don't buy into that left/right bs that says ONLY your "side" is right. Truth is truth regardless of how people try to distort it.

[old soldier]

I am wondering why nobody has mentioned the person who killed OJ's wife may have been in the neighborhood helping old simmerman move the body, and since old folks hang in florida, the guy who may have been on the grassy knoll in the JFK assination...gotta cover all the bases

[Robert Giacometti]

My bottom line on your previous theory is that you don't know that that person could have had the wherewithal to shoot someone after having his head slammed into concrete. It is my contention that under the statement he gave; he would not have been able to do so. It doesn't matter if if he did; because he woldn't have been able to do so. A much more plausible scenario is that treyvon was kneeling or standing and zimmerman shot the kid in the abdomen at close range.

Are you basing your theory on your past experiences of being in a street fight with a 17 year old male or are you just thinking this up as you type?

I know this is a pretty radical idea, but maybe if you don't have lots of experience of being in street fights and having some one on top of you, that just maybe, you might ask someone who has, instead of advancing a theory you have no experience with?

If you have this experience and didn't have the werewithall to get out of the situation, that doesn't mean that others in the same situation, may have.

BTW, I still haven't seen that YES or NO answer to that simple question I've asked you a couple of times?

I am wondering why nobody has mentioned the person who killed OJ's wife may have been in the neighborhood helping old simmerman move the body, and since old folks hang in florida, the guy who may have been on the grassy knoll in the JFK assination...gotta cover all the bases

Maybe the special prosecutor found the gloves?

[supermom]

Are you basing your theory on your past experiences of being in a street fight with a 17 year old male or are you just thinking this up as you type?

I know this is a pretty radical idea, but maybe if you don't have lots of experience of being in street fights and having some one on top of you, that just maybe, you might ask someone who has, instead of advancing a theory you have no experience with?

If you have this experience and didn't have the werewithall to get out of the situation, that doesn't mean that others in the same situation, may have.

BTW, I still haven't seen that YES or NO answer to that simple question I've asked you a couple of times?

Seriously, Robert?

There is a difference between a street fight and fighting for your life and slamming your opponents head onto concrete multiple times.


I have answered your question twice now. and you refuse to accept it. Too bad.

[Robert Giacometti]

Seriously, Robert?

There is a difference between a street fight and fighting for your life and slamming your opponents head onto concrete multiple times.


I have answered your question twice now. and you refuse to accept it. Too bad.

Can you share with us how many times you have been in a street fight with a 17 year old or how many times you have been in a fight for your life having your head slammed onto the concrete? Can you explain the difference?

I always thought when you got into a fight it was a fight for life, but maybe they have different rules now?

I'm sorry but I read your post numerous times and CAN'T see where you answered my YES or No question with a YES or NO answer? If you could be so kind to point out what post number it was, where you answered my question with a YES or NO, I'll go back and reread it?

Its my understanding that when mature adults are trying to have a discussion about issues and one asks a simple question, that generally the other mature adult responds to the question, so the conversation can continue. Its a simple courtesy one extends to the other, its what mature adults do for each other!

If one expects to always be expressing their opinions and never have anyone challenge them, then maybe that person needs some more maturing, before they start playing in the adult section of the sandbox.

[ducky]

Can you share with us how many times you have been in a street fight with a 17 year old or how many times you have been in a fight for your life having your head slammed onto the concrete? Can you explain the difference?

I always thought when you got into a fight it was a fight for life, but maybe they have different rules now?

I'm sorry but I read your post numerous times and CAN'T see where you answered my YES or No question with a YES or NO answer? If you could be so kind to point out what post number it was, where you answered my question with a YES or NO, I'll go back and reread it?

Its my understanding that when mature adults are trying to have a discussion about issues and one asks a simple question, that generally the other mature adult responds to the question, so the conversation can continue. Its a simple courtesy one extends to the other, its what mature adults do for each other!

If one expects to always be expressing their opinions and never have anyone challenge them, then maybe that person needs some more maturing, before they start playing in the adult section of the sandbox.

Seriously, Robert. It's a BS question and you know it. You don't provide enough details. Also, it doesn't relate to the topic at hand since none of us know the facts or who the aggressor was. These would be very important details. You are saying to leave these details out, which makes me wonder why you want an answer to such a vapid question.

Is the person being the aggressor my own child? Because then, no, I don't think I could shoot. I would rather die than take the life of my child.

If the person bashing my head is a complete stranger, there is no way I'm packing a gun outside of my home because I am a law-abiding citizen and don't have a CCW, which means the only way I have a gun is because I've disarmed an aggressor. In which case, if I have a chance to step away and give a warning I am obliged to, which means I still don't have the right to shoot unless they continue the aggression.

Robert, is this the first time you've been pregnant? Simple yes or no answer, please.

[Robert Giacometti]

I think it's because, until you are in that exact situation, you really don't know what you will do.
It's easy to be cavalier and hypothetically say, "If it's between him and me, it's going to be him," but, in reality, taking a life should never be an easy yes or no answer.

I'ts rather easy to defend yourself and make it be the other guy, when in these situations.

If you don't, one won't be here to talk about it!

Seriously, Robert. It's a BS question and you know it. You don't provide enough details. Also, it doesn't relate to the topic at hand since none of us know the facts or who the aggressor was. These would be very important details. You are saying to leave these details out, which makes me wonder why you want an answer to such a vapid question.

Is the person being the aggressor my own child? Because then, no, I don't think I could shoot. I would rather die than take the life of my child.

If the person bashing my head is a complete stranger, there is no way I'm packing a gun outside of my home because I am a law-abiding citizen and don't have a CCW, which means the only way I have a gun is because I've disarmed an aggressor. In which case, if I have a chance to step away and give a warning I am obliged to, which means I still don't have the right to shoot unless they continue the aggression.

Robert, is this the first time you've been pregnant? Simple yes or no answer, please.

NO, what so hard about answering the question?

[ducky]

I'ts rather easy to defend yourself and make it be the other guy, when in these situations.

If you don't, one won't be here to talk about it!



NO, what so hard about answering the question?

Yeah, I guess you can talk about it. Living with it is a whole other story.
What do you think Zimmerman's life is going to be like now?

I'ts rather easy to defend yourself and make it be the other guy, when in these situations.

If you don't, one won't be here to talk about it!



NO, what so hard about answering the question?

So you've been pregnant before? Congratulations!

[Robert Giacometti]

Yeah, I guess you can talk about it. Living with it is a whole other story.
What do you think Zimmerman's life is going to be like now?



So you've been pregnant before? Congratulations!

No, to your question.

I surely wouldn't want to be Zimmerman.