108 replies to this topic

[tessieca]

I'm sorry, I was on my way to work

You are very prompt. But yesterday was 4:50 a.m., so I hope you weren't late.

[Sandman]

A plane came screaming in this morning at 3:55 AM. Ugh...

[25or6to4]

I want more noisy flights over Folsom.

Everyone complains about the good jobs going overseas. People say we need more manufacturing jobs to stay in the US. People say we need more manufacturing jobs in Sacramento. More manufacturing jobs means a greater demand for materials to be shipped into the Sacramento area and more finished goods being shipped out of the Sacramento area. More good paying jobs means more noisy cargo plane flights over our city.

I want a healthy robust economy and unfortunately, that means more noisy flights over our city.

Be careful what you wish for, because fewer noisy flights means less jobs, failing economy, loss of high quality living.

I'm opposed to the City trying to fight the increase in commercial transportation in and out of Mather Field. It's anti-business which is anti-jobs.

[cw68]

I want more noisy flights over Folsom.

Everyone complains about the good jobs going overseas. People say we need more manufacturing jobs to stay in the US. People say we need more manufacturing jobs in Sacramento. More manufacturing jobs means a greater demand for materials to be shipped into the Sacramento area and more finished goods being shipped out of the Sacramento area. More good paying jobs means more noisy cargo plane flights over our city.

I want a healthy robust economy and unfortunately, that means more noisy flights over our city.

Be careful what you wish for, because fewer noisy flights means less jobs, failing economy, loss of high quality living.

I'm opposed to the City trying to fight the increase in commercial transportation in and out of Mather Field. It's anti-business which is anti-jobs.

100% in agreement

[Sandman]

I want more noisy flights over Folsom.

Everyone complains about the good jobs going overseas. People say we need more manufacturing jobs to stay in the US. People say we need more manufacturing jobs in Sacramento. More manufacturing jobs means a greater demand for materials to be shipped into the Sacramento area and more finished goods being shipped out of the Sacramento area. More good paying jobs means more noisy cargo plane flights over our city.

I want a healthy robust economy and unfortunately, that means more noisy flights over our city.

Be careful what you wish for, because fewer noisy flights means less jobs, failing economy, loss of high quality living.

I'm opposed to the City trying to fight the increase in commercial transportation in and out of Mather Field. It's anti-business which is anti-jobs.

Easily said for someone who does live in the current flght path. I'm sure you would be singing a different tune if you had planes buzzing your house at 4AM every morning.

I don't believe anyone is advocating reducing flights into Mather rather modify the current flight path and/or arrival times to be more resident friendly.

Its also worth noting your premise that more flights equates to more local manufactuing jobs is highly skeptical. A majority of what comes in on these flights are UPS type packages (think Amazon), not raw goods that would be used in manufacturing. A majority of those types of goods (lumber, raw steel, etc.) are transported via rail or trucks, not UPS/FedEx planes...

[Howdy]

I want more noisy flights over Folsom.

Everyone complains about the good jobs going overseas. People say we need more manufacturing jobs to stay in the US. People say we need more manufacturing jobs in Sacramento. More manufacturing jobs means a greater demand for materials to be shipped into the Sacramento area and more finished goods being shipped out of the Sacramento area. More good paying jobs means more noisy cargo plane flights over our city.

I want a healthy robust economy and unfortunately, that means more noisy flights over our city.

Be careful what you wish for, because fewer noisy flights means less jobs, failing economy, loss of high quality living.

I'm opposed to the City trying to fight the increase in commercial transportation in and out of Mather Field. It's anti-business which is anti-jobs.

I don't know if thats really true anymore. Look at FedEx Express. They are dropping like a rock. Companies aren't shipping overnight anymore if they can avoid it. FedEx used to fly lots of freight from China to the US. Much of that now is finding its way onto cargo ships. FedEx Ground on the other hand is seeing 20% increase in growth year over year. It appears that Express is going to shift its Express Saver(3 day) over to Ground after the first of the year. FedEx realizes there has been a shift and that customers don't need everything the next day by plane, but are more than willing to save some money and wait a few more days and have it come by truck.

[Rich_T]

I don't believe anyone is advocating reducing flights into Mather rather modify the current flight path and/or arrival times to be more resident friendly.

Its also worth noting your premise that more flights equates to more local manufactuing jobs is highly skeptical. A majority of what comes in on these flights are UPS type packages (think Amazon), not raw goods that would be used in manufacturing. A majority of those types of goods (lumber, raw steel, etc.) are transported via rail or trucks, not UPS/FedEx planes...

Those are both excellent points, and I agree.

[25or6to4]

Easily said for someone who does live in the current flght path. I'm sure you would be singing a different tune if you had planes buzzing your house at 4AM every morning.

I don't believe anyone is advocating reducing flights into Mather rather modify the current flight path and/or arrival times to be more resident friendly.

Its also worth noting your premise that more flights equates to more local manufactuing jobs is highly skeptical. A majority of what comes in on these flights are UPS type packages (think Amazon), not raw goods that would be used in manufacturing. A majority of those types of goods (lumber, raw steel, etc.) are transported via rail or trucks, not UPS/FedEx planes...

First, I do live in the flight path.
Second, I work in manufacturing and everything we ship and receive we use UPS & FedEx.
Go hang out in the business parks and see how many UPS trucks and FedEx trucks drive around delivering packages and picking up packages from businesses. Call UPS and FedEx and ask them if the majority of what they ship is for commercial businesses or home consumers. You may just be surprised how much of their business is commercial.

[caligirlz]

I don't believe anyone is advocating reducing flights into Mather rather modify the current flight path and/or arrival times to be more resident friendly.

I completely agree!!
Thankfully the planes don't fly over my house at ungodly times. I did hear them on Monday morning at 7 am while I was eating breakfast.

[Rich_T]

A familiar figure writes to the Telegraph about this topic:

Holderness letter to Telegraph

He refers to "neighborliness", but will he support a flight path S50, and will he support a flight ban during the wee hours? I don't know. I also don't know what motivated him to write the letter in the first place, but based on past experience, one should probably start following the money.

Also, the Folsom City Council seems to have expressed frustration at their own impotence in this matter, and are not assuring Folsom residents of anything.

Nor do I find his argument credible that opponents of Mather expansion are trying to eliminate cargo flights. I think most people are interested in changing the flight paths to approach over mostly uninhabited areas, and/or to eliminate 4:00 AM flights.

I'll let you read the last line of his letter for yourselves. It speaks volumes about his understanding of the concerns of some Folsom residents (characterized as "naysayers"). It also invalidates his mention of the Folsom City Council.

(I would have replied directly at the Telegraph website, but I don't have a Facebook account.)

[ducky]

A familiar figure writes to the Telegraph about this topic:

Holderness letter to Telegraph

He refers to "neighborliness", but will he support a flight path S50, and will he support a flight ban during the wee hours? I don't know. I also don't know what motivated him to write the letter in the first place, but based on past experience, one should probably start following the money.

Also, the Folsom City Council seems to have expressed frustration at their own impotence in this matter, and are not assuring Folsom residents of anything.

Nor do I find his argument credible that opponents of Mather expansion are trying to eliminate cargo flights. I think most people are interested in changing the flight paths to approach over mostly uninhabited areas, and/or to eliminate 4:00 AM flights.

I'll let you read the last line of his letter for yourselves. It speaks volumes about his understanding of the concerns of some Folsom residents (characterized as "naysayers"). It also invalidates his mention of the Folsom City Council.

(I would have replied directly at the Telegraph website, but I don't have a Facebook account.)

Is there any mention of why the earlier and increased flights can't be directed over the now unpopulated S50 area?
At least any new construction in S50 will have to be notified of the avigation easement. According to what I've read,they will also be required to beef up insulation in the building (including schools) - something that's expensive to retrofit in existing structures.

Mr. Holderness's last line about this really being a Rancho Cordova issue doesn't make sense. The air pollution that will increase with increased flights won't only stay in Rancho Cordova. We live in a bowl here.

[SacKen]

Is there any mention of why the earlier and increased flights can't be directed over the now unpopulated S50 area?
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Of course not! You see it with every topic of debate in today's political discussions. The argument is an all-or-nothing one. Nobody ever focuses on solutions that can satisfy both sides.

[Howdy]

A majority of what comes in on these flights are UPS type packages (think Amazon)

That is actually changing now also. Amazon is building warehouses in strategic parts of the county to take advantage of trucking the packages to customers. By having more warehouses Amazon can take advantage of the lower cost of shipping(ground vs air) and the customer sees the savings in the form of passed on savings and still gets their goods in the same amount of time.