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[4thgenFolsomite]

Maybe she enjoy going out to the range and letting off some steam. What I don't understand is any person who doesn't keep their firearms in a safe with trigger locks.

You were right. turned out she did take the family target shooting and had a passion for guns.

as for trigger locks, she probably did have that, but this young man was highly intelligent and I am sure he would be able to figure out where she kept the key. mentally disabled doesn't mean dumb.

[bordercolliefan]

I think what needs to change in our gun laws is a new requirement that somehow checks health records and if any case of mental illness is noted then that person needs to be denied any gun purchase
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Yes, I do think this is a really interesting idea. Here, of course, the mother bought the guns, and she would not have come up as mentally disturbed. So the question becomes, can we somehow not only keep mentally ill people from buying guns, but also keep guns out of their households?? A tall order -- but definitely worth exploring.

[Chris]

Folks, many here are commenting who don't own guns or know anything about them. That is fine but let me fill you in on responsible gun ownership.... Guns are kept in a safe or if not in a safe they are stored with a trigger lock in place. Ammo is always stored separately and locked up also if possible. No one has access but you, that's it. No one else has the combo or the keys to the trigger locks. If these simple rules were followed then most likely the Sandy Hook thing would not have happened.

And again, my US Army M1 Garand, semi auto rifle from 1941 is more deadly than my modern 2011 AR type rifle. There is no comparison. Modern assault rifles are not the problem here. It's our society......

Remember, Timothy McViegh killed more people with fertilizer, kerosene, and a rental truck in one instance than anyone has with an assault rifle ever did. Do we ban fertilizer, kerosene, and rental trucks...? I think not. The problem is not the "tool", it's the individual. Chris

[cw68]

There were too many early reports that contained incorrect information. The assault rifle was used.

Just read this:


Adam Lanza, 20, was armed with a military-style rifle and two semi-automatic pistols. Investigators said he possessed "multiple high-capacity magazines" for all three weapons.
Police haven't revealed how many bullets Lanza fired during his 10-minute shooting spree, but admit he still had many more live rounds with him when he took his own life as first responders closed in.
"Hundreds of bullets, yes," said Lt. J. Paul Vance, a spokesman for the Connecticut State Police.
The 26 victims were all shot multiple times with the rifle. Lanza, however, used one of the handguns to shoot himself in the head. His death was officially ruled a suicide, the Connecticut state medical examiner announced Sunday afternoon.

[Chris]

Just read this:


Adam Lanza, 20, was armed with a military-style rifle and two semi-automatic pistols. Investigators said he possessed "multiple high-capacity magazines" for all three weapons.
Police haven't revealed how many bullets Lanza fired during his 10-minute shooting spree, but admit he still had many more live rounds with him when he took his own life as first responders closed in.
"Hundreds of bullets, yes," said Lt. J. Paul Vance, a spokesman for the Connecticut State Police.
The 26 victims were all shot multiple times with the rifle. Lanza, however, used one of the handguns to shoot himself in the head. His death was officially ruled a suicide, the Connecticut state medical examiner announced Sunday afternoon.

Hey CW, rifle or handgun... Does not matter at close range. The problem here was "time". Nobody else there with a weapon to stop him. More gun laws... No. Less roadblocks to responsible citizens carrying guns everywhere....Yes...! "Gun Free" school zones only mean law abiding citizens do not have guns on school grounds and criminals will because they ignore laws, that is why they are criminals. If I have a CCW here in CA it states that I can not go within 1000 feet of any school......... And no way can I bring it on campus, concealed or otherwise. I am a criminal just driving 800 feet away from a school and could be arrested on my way to work if I happen to be armed and with a valid CCW. This has to change. Sorry to say but we need to be like the Israelis now........ Armed and ready, anywhere. More gun laws will only mean more innocents dead in the future. Chris

[cw68]

Hey CW, rifle or handgun... Does not matter at close range. The problem here was "time". Nobody else there with a weapon to stop him. More gun laws... No. Less roadblocks to responsible citizens carrying guns everywhere....Yes...! "Gun Free" school zones only mean law abiding citizens do not have guns on school grounds and criminals will because they ignore laws, that is why they are criminals. If I have a CCW here in CA it states that I can not go within 1000 feet of any school......... And no way can I bring it on campus, concealed or otherwise. I am a criminal just driving 800 feet away from a school and could be arrested on my way to work if I happen to be armed and with a valid CCW. This has to change. Sorry to say but we need to be like the Israelis now........ Armed and ready, anywhere. More gun laws will only mean more innocents dead in the future. Chris

I absolutely, completely disagree. No surprise there.

Keep your guns out of the schools. I do not want my kids around guns. Period. And the type of gun does make a difference.

[Pool Runner]

I'm the last one to want anymore regulation upon society, but as a father of two small children , is it wrong that I feel like its time to mandate TSA like checkpoints at all elementary, middle and high schools? At first I was unsure about TSA check points when going through airports, but now it just feels second nature. I think it's time to consider similar entry to all schools.

Yeah it would completely make it miserable, more congested and difficult to drop your kids off and such but could possibly be the first line of defense at stopping these type of incidents that are becoming more and more common and save more innocent lives.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

I'm the last one to want anymore regulation upon society, but as a father of two small children , is it wrong that I feel like its time to mandate TSA like checkpoints at all elementary, middle and high schools? At first I was unsure about TSA check points when going through airports, but now it just feels second nature. I think it's time to consider similar entry to all schools.

Yeah it would completely make it miserable, more congested and difficult to drop your kids off and such but could possibly be the first line of defense at stopping these type of incidents that are becoming more and more common and save more innocent lives.

I don't know how check points or metal detectors would work on many school campuses. The elementary and high schools I attended in Chicago were each one building with main entrances, with the main office right by the entrance. In situations such as those you could institute check points and metal detectors. However, take a look at our schools locally, comprised of numerous buildings spread out over the school's property. There is no one entrance point.

[Pool Runner]

I don't know how check points or metal detectors would work on many school campuses. The elementary and high schools I attended in Chicago were each one building with main entrances, with the main office right by the entrance. In situations such as those you could institute check points and metal detectors. However, take a look at our schools locally, comprised of numerous buildings spread out over the school's property. There is no one entrance point.

I think Schools, officials and engineers would have to go back to the drawing board and implement security gates and such, limiting the access we are currently accustomed to today. You want to go on campus, you must go through a checkpoint. Removing shoes, phones, belts etc... just like at the airport. Like I said it would be a pain to deal with but I would be willing to abide for the safety of my children and others.

It would also cost a lot to implement these kind of security measures to Schools but I feel like it would be worth it.

[nomad]

I'm the last one to want anymore regulation upon society, but as a father of two small children , is it wrong that I feel like its time to mandate TSA like checkpoints at all elementary, middle and high schools? At first I was unsure about TSA check points when going through airports, but now it just feels second nature. I think it's time to consider similar entry to all schools.

Yeah it would completely make it miserable, more congested and difficult to drop your kids off and such but could possibly be the first line of defense at stopping these type of incidents that are becoming more and more common and save more innocent lives.

Huh? Was it one of the kids that brought guns into the school? TSA is a joke and having them protect the schools doesn't make any sense.

Train and arm each principal or other designate at every school. At least they'll have a fighting chance with control.

[nomad]

Question to all about gun control: When we limit or take away all the guns and there still are these mall and school shootings what's the next step?

[4thgenFolsomite]

the guy didn't have access. he broke a window and came in. no check point is going to stop that. let's be careful not to overreact. this was a freak accident. like lightening striking. we cant live in fear.

[supermom]

Actually Chevy's, Ford's, Toyota's, Honda's, Dodge's, and VW's kill more people in this country every year. We should start with cars, then alcohol, drugs, then guns using your logic. Current gun laws were not followed by the woman who was killed by her son and then her weapons to kill others. If she had them locked up as required by law, ammo locked up too in a separate location, and then if the perp followed the "gun free zone" law that schools are in fact then this would not have happened. Multiple laws were broken and not followed. Add more laws to the ones we already have and it will accomplish nothing but hinder law abiding citizens like me from defending myself and pursuing my hobby. Maybe we should allow people to carry weapons concealed legally in public places and on school grounds and events like these would be cut short....? We need less gun laws that hinder law abiding citizens like me and others who are willing to CCW and defend our fellow citizens. If only one or two teachers or employees at that school had a CCW this story might have been less tragic. Chris

Example of an armed and law abiding citizen: http://www.kgw.com/n...-183593571.html

True, but I would like to point out that cheeseburgers are probably THE number 1 killer in the US

Should we ban McDonalds? Welllll, perhaps only if you live in San Francisco!

[Pool Runner]

the guy didn't have access. he broke a window and came in. no check point is going to stop that. let's be careful not to overreact. this was a freak accident. like lightening striking. we cant live in fear.

We can't but these incidents are occurring way to frequent these days, I'm probably leaving out a ton of other similar incidents globally and I appologize, but as an example just this year there was the movie theater shooting, then the Oregon mall one and now the one at Sandy Hook, these almost seem like weekly events. At what point will people get off their seat and do something. Just saying.