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[4thgenFolsomite]

 
Advantages of Global Warming
More usable land
Extra CO2 for plants
Arctic’s resources become accessible
Increased interest in alternative energy
Arctic, Antarctic, Siberia, and other frozen regions of earth may experience more plant growth and milder climates.
The next ice age may be prevented from occurring.
Increased food supply, less famine.
Northwest Passage through Canada's formerly-icy north opens up to sea transportation.
Less need for energy consumption to warm cold places.
Fewer deaths or injuries due to cold weather.
Less deforestation for heating fuel.
Longer growing seasons could mean increased agricultural production in some local areas.
Mountains increase in height due to melting glaciers, becoming higher as they rebound against the missing weight of the ice.
Boundary disputes between countries over low-lying islands will disappear.

I don't think you are recognizing the consequences clearly. But you are obviously set in your beliefs, so I wish you well.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Chris,  it's clear in my mind that GW is human caused.  And there is an ever growing consensus among scientists who are arriving at the same conclusion.  There is little reason to continue a conversation about it.  As I've said often, you can believe what you wish.  I'm a little skeptical of your list of GW "benefits".  Almost none of them seem to be materializing.  So far, GW is delivering only problems.  Rising sea levels, drought in Calif, substantial drought (10 years) in the middle east and Australia.  True, there may be more fertile areas developing on the planet, but you can't easily just pick up agriculture from one spot on the planet and move to another spot on the planet.  It costs $$$...lots of $$$.  Again, GW is an economic problem that will cost the planet a substantial amount.  And, had humans been a little more attentive to the future, some of it could have been avoided.   I believe the planet is headed for substantial problems.  Most of the planet is unprepared.  Fortunately, North America is populated by creative and innovative people and we should be able to "weather the storm" better than most. 

[Chris]

I don't think you are recognizing the consequences clearly. But you are obviously set in your beliefs, so I wish you well.

Actually not my beliefs at work here....  Being trained in science is what is at work here.  I have a bachelors in a scientific discipline.  I've worked in Biotechnology for 30 years. I do science everyday, it's my job.  Unless you can prove something to me I don't believe you.  I say show me the evidence.  Demonstrate it to me, prove it, show me the facts, do you assume anything in your equation or theory, is it repeatable....?   The AGW folks here can do none of that and neither can any of their scientists that they cite.  A theory indeed but the burden of proof is upon them.  The geological record, past CO2 levels, past sea level changes, past temperatures of the Earth, and the simple fact Man has not been on this Earth very long all say they are wrong.  Chris

 

p.s.  Do a search on "Advantages of Global Warming" and you will find a lot to read about....  Even some of the pro-AGW sites list them.  

[Chris]

Chris,  it's clear in my mind that GW is human caused.  

If that is clear to you then please tell me why 50 million years ago CO2 was at 1000 ppm....?  Tell me why at 100 million years ago CO2 was at 1800 ppm....?  Tell me why at 140 million years ago CO2 was at 2400 ppm....? Tell me why 400 million years ago CO2 was at about 4000 ppm....?  I could go on but you get my drift......  Since Man was not around at these times who caused those high CO2 levels....?   Chris 

[Chris]

Hey GoG, your thoughts on this, prosecuting "deniers" like me, and companies under the RICO act....?  Truth is stranger than fiction.......   The left is crazy, or at least these folks...   I can see the headline now in the Sac Bee when the SWAT team breaks my door down...   "Outspoken climate denier arrested by the DOJ, found with an arsenal of guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Drove a gas guzzling muscle car daily....  Was known to burn actual wood in his fireplace on "no burn" days.... Was known to wear camouflage clothing at times, often while working on his multiple cars in the driveway....  Was known to attend radical NASCAR events in the past along with long range "military style" shooting events.....  Many thanks to federal law enforcement for taking this deranged climate denier off the streets".   Of course they would use my whole name, my middle name, and show a real bad, crazy eyed picture of me upon my arrest...   Hopefully you see the craziness in all of this.  If this stuff starts going down I will have to change my label for you guys from "Climate Clowns" to "Climate Nazis".   Chris

 

 

US Attorney General: We’ve ‘Discussed’ Prosecuting Climate Change Deniers

 

The US Department of Justice has been considering whether people should be prosecuted for the offense of climate change denial.

“This matter has been discussed. We have received information about it and have referred it to the FBI to consider whether or not it meets the criteria for which we could take action on,” said Attorney General Loretta Lynch, responding to a question from green activist.  Perhaps the kind of RICO action Whitehouse has in mind is similar to the one proposed to President Obama a few months ago by a number of key climate scientists, led by one Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University.

 

http://www.breitbart...change-deniers/

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Chris -  Sadly, the breitbart.com article leaves out critical information and is terribly misleading because of it.  I will fill in the blanks so you know the WHOLE story.

 

Many US corporations are in businesses that will be affected in some way by climate change.  In some cases, the effects will be positive, and in some cases the effects will be negative.  Here's the problem - When companies learn there is something going on that could affect their business in a negative way, they have a fiduciary obligation and a legal requirement to report the possible down-sides to their stock holders and investors in the annual report and in their quarterly 10k filings.  Many corporations are failing to mention the possible negative effects of climate change in these documents because they are afraid if they do, they'll scare off stock holders and investors, and their stock prices will tank.  Failure to include this information in the 10k's and annual report is a federal felony, and can be prosecuted under the RICO act.

 

During the 2008 financial crisis, hundreds of Wall St folks were prosecuted under the RICO Act for exactly this offense - failure to inform stock holders and investors of possible negative impacts on their companies when they knew bad things were going to happen...a felony.

 

Now you know the real story.  For whatever reasons, breitbart.com reported a horribly distorted version of the story to make you think that corporations are the innocent victims of some "jackboot" program cooked up by the gov't.  The truth is that corporations are lying to their investors by omitting crucial information they know about that will have a negative impact on their companies.  The SEC is simply trying to enforce the laws.  In a way, the corporations are denying that climate change will affect their business...so they are deniers of a sort.  And it's going to cost you money down the road.  Sell those stocks now if you're smart.

[Chris]

So, It looks like you are ok with it....!   Very scary.  Be very careful here...  When the pendulum swings, and it will eventually, those of you on the left will be very unhappy.   Chris

[2 Aces]

DEFINITION OF THE DAY: Scam; (noun); a dishonest scheme; a fraud. As in, "insurance scam".

How do the *climate change preachers* (CCP's) scam people? Easy. Climate change is a religion. It's cultish in it's operation. The CCP's seek out data or "facts" to support their predetermined conclusion, but they EXCLUDE the vast amount of data and REAL facts that disprove the climate change scam. Just one of these "inconvenient truths" is the history of CO2 levels that go back many, many years. The CCP's can't explain it...after all, it would shoot-down their *climate change scam* as fiction...so they exclude it from the discussion. That's called dishonesty. And if they're dishonest about one thing, then you are allowed to...you *must*...disregard their entire theory/scam, based on probable dishonesty about the totality of their claims.

It's called credibility. The CCP's have theory, opinion, guesses, and assumptions. But they don't have credibility. Therefore, they must be dismissed.

[Chris]

DEFINITION OF THE DAY: Scam; (noun); a dishonest scheme; a fraud. As in, "insurance scam".

How do the *climate change preachers* (CCP's) scam people? Easy. Climate change is a religion. It's cultish in it's operation. The CCP's seek out data or "facts" to support their predetermined conclusion, but they EXCLUDE the vast amount of data and REAL facts that disprove the climate change lie. Just one of these "inconvenient truths" is the history of CO2 levels that go back many, many years. The CCP's can't explain it...after all, it would shoot-down their *climate change paranoia theory* as fiction...so they exclude it from the discussion. That's called dishonesty. And if they're dishonest about one thing, then you are allowed...you *must*...disregard their entire theory based on probable dishonesty about the totality of their claims.

It's called credibility. The CCP's have theory, opinion, guesses, and assumptions. But they don't have credibility. Therefore, they must be dismissed.

Aces, and now they want to throw you in jail for thinking like you do.....!   You "denier" you.....!   Go to jail....!  Next, re-education camps for you non believers, they will teach you the "correct" way to think, the "progressive", "enlightened" way....!   They will have to gut the 2nd amendment first though, that is what this 5th progressive SCOTUS judge will be nominated by O'bummer to do.  It will be part of the undocumented, verbal "agreement" between O'bummer and his nominee.   Chris

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Aces,  you remind me of Baghdad Bob.  Remember?  During the Iraqi war, he was the guy on the Iraqi TV news doing a live report about how the Iraqi Army was defeating the Americans everywhere, and driving them from the country.  While he was doing his report, American tanks were driving up and down the street not more than 10 feet behind his back.  It was hilarious.  Baghdad Bob was highly disconnected from reality.  I hope you're not the same.  After looking at images of tidal flooding on the east coast (52 cities are being impacted), it's clear that climate change is here and it's real.  Ignore reality if you wish.  It's one of the freedoms you enjoy as an American.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Chris,  yep, I'm fine with enforcing laws designed to prevent public corporations from misleading me about their future prospects in hopes of protecting their stock price. It's a felony to do such.  I'm deeply invested in the markets and expect public corporations to be forthright about things that will affect their business going forward.  It's required by law.  I'm of the opinion that you do believe in obeying the laws.  RICO should not be negotiable and corporations should be given a pass, no matter how many lobbyists they unleash on Washington.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

ooops...correction to my last sentence - RICO should not be negotiable and corporations should NOT be given a pass...

[2 Aces]

"Tidal flooding" won't wipe out cities...that's another chapter in the *climate change book of fiction*...but some flooding isn't all bad, and would probably be welcome in SF. Why SF? SF has a massive homeless problem, as many Democrat-controlled cities do. Homeless people use streets and sidewalks as bathrooms. If the city of SF flooded once in a while, the city would get a nice washing-down, if you know what I mean.

Bring on some flooding...in fact, I'm going to put together a list of US cities that could use a good cleaning/flooding. And if they turn out to be Democrat-controlled cities, don't get mad at me. I just deal in facts.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Aces - If flooding is no problem, then here's an idea - let's flood just YOUR house.  No problem, right?

[Chris]

Aces - If flooding is no problem, then here's an idea - let's flood just YOUR house.  No problem, right?

GoG, your flooding, nothing to do with Man at all, just the Earth doing it's thing....!   Ask yourself this, and any other "AGW warmer", "Climate Clown" like yourself.....  

 

If you are so certain that Man is responsible for the current global warming, Man, the mechanism behind the rise in CO2 and your global warming theory, then what, who was responsible for the global warming and high temperatures, high sea levels, high CO2 levels, way beyond our current day levels, for the past 600 million years....?   And it happened a thousand times if it happened once before Man ever existed.  The Industrial Revolution let's say started in 1800 or so....  So what happened...?   For 600 million years the Earth had another mechanism, other than Man, that was responsible for all the increased CO2, all the high sea levels, all the high temperatures....   And Man took over from this other previous driver, this mechanism in just the last 200 years.....?   So we burned some fossil fuels as we discovered them...   Very little CO2 impact compared to Volcanic events, the Sun's influence, slight change in orbits, tilt of the planet over time....  I give you the chart below for reference once again, the chart that shows your AGW theory is just nonsense.   I think you greatly overestimate Man and his abilities to change, his influence on, the climate of the Earth.   Chris