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[CostcoLover]

However, if this girl was a willing partner,

And therein lies the challenge. 18 is the age of consent in CA. Even if she was a willing participant, she cannot consent. The law does not recognize her as someone who can give consent. So it is still statutory rape.

Perhaps in another state it would have been a different matter.

Personally, in situations like this I always wonder... what if they had just run into each other while on vacation in a different country where it was ok.... Could he have been prosecuted upon his return?

[Chad Vander Veen]

And therein lies the challenge.  18 is the age of consent in CA.  Even if she was a willing participant, she cannot consent.  The law does not recognize her as someone who can give consent.  So it is still statutory rape.

Perhaps in another state it would have been a different matter.

Personally, in situations like this I always wonder... what if they had just run into each other while on vacation in a different country where it was ok....  Could he have been prosecuted upon his return?

You make a good point. It's just ridiculous that we allow our kids to be so sexualized and then expect them not to be sexually active.

Your other question is interesting too. I think there are cases where people have been extradited from other countries, but I could be wrong.

The fact that there are different ages throughout the country prove that there are wildly different views on when a person should be responsible for their own actions.

[CostcoLover]

Not just throughout the country, but different ages around the world. And not just different ages, but different circumstances

ie. in some states it's ok for teenagers to have sex with others depending on the age difference.... here's a quick slice of the data. There's even different ages for homosexual sex.

# Colorado: 15 (17 if partner 10 years older and not spouse)
# Florida: 16 (If partner under 24), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Idaho: 16 or 17 (if partner less than 5 years older), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Iowa: 14 or 15 (if partner less than 5 years older), 16 (all other adult partners)
# Missouri: 14 (if partner under 21), 17 (all other adults)
# Nevada: 16 (heterosexual), 21 (homosexual)

[Chad Vander Veen]

Not just throughout the country, but different ages around the world.  And not just different ages, but different circumstances

ie. in some states it's ok for teenagers to have sex with others depending on the age difference....  here's a quick slice of the data.  There's even different ages for homosexual sex.

# Colorado: 15 (17 if partner 10 years older and not spouse)
# Florida: 16 (If partner under 24), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Idaho: 16 or 17 (if partner less than 5 years older), 18 (all other adult partners)
# Iowa: 14 or 15 (if partner less than 5 years older), 16 (all other adult partners)
# Missouri: 14 (if partner under 21), 17 (all other adults)
# Nevada: 16 (heterosexual), 21 (homosexual)

Ok, now Missouri is a little creepy...

[CostcoLover]

Ok, now Missouri is a little creepy... 

You see, its all about different perspectives, the beliefs we grew up with, etc.

Japan is 13
South Korea is 13
China 14

Check out the Philippines: 12 for males, 18 for females

Argentina: 15, though can be 12 in certain special cases
Chile 14
Austria 14
Iceland 14
Italy 14
Spain 13
Mexico 12
Colombia 12

And that my friends, is my point whether we're talking about religion, sex, drugs, etc.

There is no universal answer. It's all dependent upon our experiences, circumstances, culture, etc.

[ducky]

How many of you had life figured out by 12 or 13?

How many of you knew everything when you were 16?

How many of you were ready to be a good parent at 12 or 13?

Okay. Now, how many of you were right?

We're not talking about two teenagers acting out what they see in TV or movies. We're talking about someone twice someone else's age taking advantage.

[CostcoLover]

I didn't know you had to have life figured out or know everything before you had sex....

I still don't have life figured out.... and those that think that they have are usually wrong.

There are half a dozen other angles I could respond with, but alas, dinner calls...

[bigsheldy]

I don't think he did it. I know this guy, and as much as the thought of "you'd never suspect someone of doing something like this" crosses my mind, I still think he didn't do this. He was released this morning, and they have no evidence. I can't believe that, once again, all of Folsom is so quick to blame someone who has done so much for their community. Even if he gets off with a not guilty, nobody will care. Nobody will do anything or say anything or whatever. Disgusting. You people sit here and play jury to a trial you know nothing about.

[swmr545]

So, all of you that are looking down upon Mr. Mac, do you agree with the judge that made a middle-aged man register as a sex offender because he grabbed the arm of a girl who ran out in front of his car just to scold her? The judge said that him touching her is an early sign of someone who will become a child molestor. Now that good man's name is tarnished, he'll be looked down upon by society, just because he scolded a girl for not paying attention to what was coming her way when she ran out into the road.

Mind you this girl was a teenager, and said the man was touching her inappropriately, however witnesses said the man did no such thing other than to grab her arm and scold her. Who wouldn't scold a teenager for running out in front of a car?

[uberman]

I don't think he did it. I know this guy, and as much as the thought of "you'd never suspect someone of doing something like this" crosses my mind, I still think he didn't do this. He was released this morning, and they have no evidence. I can't believe that, once again, all of Folsom is so quick to blame someone who has done so much for their community. Even if he gets off with a not guilty, nobody will care. Nobody will do anything or say anything or whatever. Disgusting. You people sit here and play jury to a trial you know nothing about.

We got BigSheldy in on this! It must be important

[ducky]

I didn't know you had to have life figured out or know everything before you had sex....

I still don't have life figured out.... and those that think that they have are usually wrong.

There are half a dozen other angles I could respond with, but alas, dinner calls...

I don't have life figured out either. That's exactly the point. You have the maturity to know that. A 16-year-old doesn't.

The only reason I posted in the first place is it seemed like some others were making up excuses as to why it may be the girl's fault IF this did indeed happen. I'm not trying and convicting anyone. I'm merely, joining the dialogue.

[Chad Vander Veen]

I can't believe that, once again, all of Folsom is so quick to blame someone who has done so much for their community.

We don't all immediately pressume guilt...though I understand why it may seem so.

I think most people, well I hope anyway, will reserve judgement until the court has ruled. If he is guilty, we will all be glad when he is locked away. Sadly, if he is innocent, irreperable damage has already been done. This culture of guilt by accusation is terrifying.

[rlsliger]

You people sit here and play jury to a trial you know nothing about.

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Aren't you doing the same by starting off your post with "I don't think he did it."

[ngilbert]

I don't know if he molested anyone. But he is a witch! He consorts with demons and he is a witch! He turned me into a newt! But I got better! Witch!

(sorry - too much Monty Python)

[benning]

We should see if he floats