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[old soldier]

if we didn't have the prison we wouldn't have had Johnny Cash.and more people know about Folsom because of him than anything else.

with the proposed crazy house where they want it will bake it easier for the police folks to watch them and the bad invaders who come to our town by light rail.

I am not sure who pays for the crazy folks rent, and the big question is who will be the landlord.
that a fair amount of rent money and if the government is paying the checks would be on time every month. I would think crazy folks wouldn't complain much either

[tessieca]

There are some serious definition issues in this thread. Some are referring to "stats" about seriously mentally ill people, ala

Interesting stats, to be sure. I do think that many of us forget that seriously mentally ill people are here already and are out walking and working among everybody else.

Then, it is said that seriously mental ill folks will and/or will not be working in Folsom:

Seriously mental ill people often tend to not be able to hold jobs long enough to establish any significant work experience which would qualify them for many jobs.

Others are questioning whether the housed folks will be those who already live in Folsom (why would they need housing if they already have it?) or will be coming from elsewhere (a more likely scenario).

Someone needs to ask and answer the question about what level of disability the proposed residents would actually have, where they will come from, and how they will be supported. There are a lot of state and county programs for the disabled. But, then again, if there is a group of mentally disabled people hanging around town with no job and nothing to do, you might wonder where they'll be hanging and whether it makes a difference.

[np1518]

It's obvious we all are passionate about this issue. Please attend the city council meeting tonight and voice your opinions. It's our LAST chance. If those who care don't speak up, who will?

[supermom]

There are some serious definition issues in this thread. Some are referring to "stats" about seriously mentally ill people, ala
Then, it is said that seriously mental ill folks will and/or will not be working in Folsom:
Others are questioning whether the housed folks will be those who already live in Folsom (why would they need housing if they already have it?) or will be coming from elsewhere (a more likely scenario).

Someone needs to ask and answer the question about what level of disability the proposed residents would actually have, where they will come from, and how they will be supported. There are a lot of state and county programs for the disabled. But, then again, if there is a group of mentally disabled people hanging around town with no job and nothing to do, you might wonder where they'll be hanging and whether it makes a difference.

Tess, I think your right. There are too many questions, tho.. if they are not answered or brainstormed prior to council giving go ahead I wonder how many times the community will kick themselves in the butt later on. I honestly feel sorry for whomever is on the board and has to vote for this. Either way, I think they will get flak for it.

[Robert Giacometti]

I do see the value in facilities like these in communities.

Since the City will be approving development S50 in the near future why not include facilities like this in that area as a condition of approval. This way everyone who would be buying and moving into that area, would understand in advance of what would be in their neighborhood, instead of forcing it into an existing neighborhood where it wasn't planned.

It seems to be a win win situation.

[supermom]

I do see the value in facilities like these in communities.

Since the City will be approving development S50 in the near future why not include facilities like this in that area as a condition of approval. This way everyone who would be buying and moving into that area, would understand in advance of what would be in their neighborhood, instead of forcing it into an existing neighborhood where it wasn't planned.

It seems to be a win win situation.

I think thats the quickest way to not get any development out in that area. ha ha, at lest the burrowing owl will be happy.

[Orangetj]

Tessieca,

Since your email above specifically draws from previous posts of mine, allow me to respond. I actually mistyped the first statement - it should simply have read that there are already seriously mental ill people walking amonst us. That should help to clear up the second quote as well regarding employment of the mentally ill. Sorry for the typo.

Also, I don't know where the residents of this housing will come from, although I kind of doubt that they'll be importing them from all over the state. Perhaps this will be an "opportunity" for people who are barely scraping by in their current Folsom housing. Perhaps the people will have been recently released from hospitals. Perhaps it will be homeless folks coming in off of the streets. Who knows?

Speaking of things needing clarification, there seems to be some confusion as to the size of this project. The article refers to 19 "units". Is this 19 individual apartments or 19 apartment buildings? My understanding is that we're talking about 19 individual apartments, but perhaps I'm mistaken. If it's 19 individual aparment buildings, each presumably consisting of multiple individual apartments, I can't imagine where that would physically fit within the Historic District.

[ngilbert]

Perhaps the people will have been recently released from hospitals.

That's been my assumption, just because it's being called "transitional" housing, which is usually what that means. But I'm not finding anything definitive on that.

[camay2327]

I think the city council will approve this 4-1 or possibly 5-5...

Speak you mind if you want. Go to the meeting...

[Suzyque565]

So after reading all of these posts, I still keep saying... almost feel like I should shout it from the mountain tops... why hasn't the City Council, news media, inside information, or even the town gossip been able to provide actual details of the who, where, what this will involve ! ! Someone is not telling us everything otherwise 1/2 of these posts wouldn't be necessary... we want to know the details first. Why are we down to the wire, the 'last chance" to speak our minds and yet we still, as citizens of Folsom, have not been informed of the entire big picture of this project? We keep hearing about the building structure, which I think that's all the city cares about. That property can not possibly hold 19 buildings, must be one building with 19 apts. We are not being informed of the details such as the supervison of these tenents. To me, this feels like the city is trying to hide something from us. I think the city council is aware, and the devlopers are aware of the safety risks involved but all they care about $$$ profits they will receive. And like many of us have said... how would any of the people supporting this feel if a development like this was next door to their house ! I hope everyone will be screaming loud and clear to NOT approve this development for the entire city, not just Bidwell St.

[supermom]

So after reading all of these posts, I still keep saying... almost feel like I should shout it from the mountain tops... why hasn't the City Council, news media, inside information, or even the town gossip been able to provide actual details of the who, where, what this will involve ! ! Someone is not telling us everything otherwise 1/2 of these posts wouldn't be necessary... we want to know the details first. Why are we down to the wire, the 'last chance" to speak our minds and yet we still, as citizens of Folsom, have not been informed of the entire big picture of this project? We keep hearing about the building structure, which I think that's all the city cares about. That property can not possibly hold 19 buildings, must be one building with 19 apts. We are not being informed of the details such as the supervison of these tenents. To me, this feels like the city is trying to hide something from us. I think the city council is aware, and the devlopers are aware of the safety risks involved but all they care about $$$ profits they will receive. And like many of us have said... how would any of the people supporting this feel if a development like this was next door to their house ! I hope everyone will be screaming loud and clear to NOT approve this development for the entire city, not just Bidwell St.

I just went back and read one of the older posts. Now I have to apologize. I guess there will be 19 apartments on a 1.5 acre lot. So at least that means we aren't talking tons of people. I mean how many people can you fit into 19 apartments? It does ease my mind that they will be on 1.5 acres. That is much better than 19 apartments I was envisioning. Boy. I got into the hype too much. Sorry folks.

[Suzyque565]

Yes, 19 apts is better than 19 buildings, but the safety issues still remain. Because the City hasn't said anything otherwise, I would also assume that these tenents would have a few more severe disabilities otherwise why would they need special housing?

Regarding this town having to deal with being known as the "prison town"... yes, we do have a high-risk prison facility but the difference is that those bad boys are under guard 24/7 and do not have a chance to wander the streets and their buildings are secluded over 1/2 mile from the main road.

[supermom]

Yes, 19 apts is better than 19 buildings, but the safety issues still remain. Because the City hasn't said anything otherwise, I would also assume that these tenents would have a few more severe disabilities otherwise why would they need special housing?

Regarding this town having to deal with being known as the "prison town"... yes, we do have a high-risk prison facility but the difference is that those bad boys are under guard 24/7 and do not have a chance to wander the streets and their buildings are secluded over 1/2 mile from the main road.

good point. Then again, the city does have insurance to cover the lawsuits when the pyschos go and get run over in the middle of the street why talking to the pretty moon at high noon...don't they?

[Robert Giacometti]

I think thats the quickest way to not get any development out in that area. ha ha, at lest the burrowing owl will be happy.

It isn't my intent to prevent development there, but to make sure when S50 is developed that area contributes towards its fair share of its impacts. It just seems logical to try and incorporate these needs into the initial planning process rather than come back after the fact and allow it into existing neighborhoods where it was never planned to be located.

Remember, the applicant is asking for a rezone, there is NO law that requires the council to do so. The council could just as easily designate this type of zoning S50 in an area prior to approving a Developer agreement for the land. Naturally, the landowners there probably would NOT be very supportive of this type of facility in their project as it may lower values around the facility.

[Suzyque565]

Yeah, I forgot about money set aside for those lawsuits....good point...money to purchase the land, money to develop the land, money to furnish apartments, then don't forget to include in the budget to cover those lawsuits... yes.. it's all about money according to the ones who will profit. They do not consider safety issues. This town has certainly changed, hasn't it. If this housing passes it will no longer be a town where it will be safe to walk. So if this does pass, housing in place, tenents move in... safety issues begin, children are at risk of mental health people standing on the side of a school yard exposing themselves, worse yet, a child is accosted, housing market in "old town" goes totally down the dumps... can we sue the Developers/Owners/Landlords/City and list the reason as " I TOLD YOU SO" ?

Did you know that when McClellean AFB was in full swing that the neigbhorhoods surrounding it in North Highlands were all new houses, young families and it was considered a nice place to live. Now look at it, are we going to become the next "North Highlands"?