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[idunno]

I am shocked by the way the DA's office and Defense attorney chose to handle the issue of the charges being dropped. As some of you know, my friend is a Folsom Cop and he says the department is not happy with the words from Mr. Heller. Calling the police idiots is not very professional....now Mr. Heller says that he might file a lawsuite against the department for even making the arrest....

I have a few questions for you forum people....

What do you think about the DA's office not interviewing the 2 adult witnesses, the ones shown on TV who were shocked by the announcement?

Why do you think the DA does not want the video released right now?

I think the DA's office made a poor decision to say that there was no crime committed. I think it is a case where they did not want to make the effort to go to trial.

How many times have you heard a mom yell to her son "submitt him", "submitt him"....well that is if there son is not in the UFC!

I can't wait for the tape to be released.......

[old soldier]

i don't know what the tape will do. I watch law and order all the time and it seems the da is always making the police mad because they don't think there is enough.

it might be less justice for the kid if he was without his mom while she was doing her time in the big ourse.

I see this guy Heller I think on TV all the time and this Heller is the same guy we may be buying the old mom a nice car out of the folsom budget. He is one heavy duty guy.

its not good when the da doesn't like an investigation because it makes the investigators look bad, especially with the front page article in the old bee

I have never heard "submit submit"

where can we watch the video

[idunno]

the tape will be released back to the child who shot it when the DA decides whether to press charges against Honnold's kid. Now if the DA is intentionally waiting to make there decision, to keep the video from coming out....I think that question should be raised.

If the mom is not facing charges, how can the kid?

[tessieca]

I have a few questions for you forum people....

What I think is that they made a judgment call to let this die on its own. Even if they determine there was evidence to arrest, it might not reach the level where they believe it is sufficient to pursue at trial. Also, the DA needs to balance the resources and the needs of the community, and I think our community would be better served by leaving her prosecutors available for more egregious and threatening issues.

I will say that I did not like the way the FPD was treated in the press. That Heller attorney is just posturing to earn his pay. I am absolutely certain that they believed this woman needed to be arrested and presented to the DA for possible prosecution. There are many cases other than this that are presented and not pursued for one reason or another. Sometimes, a healthy dose of reality and common sense is used to decline prosecution in any particular case.

[ducky]

I think the Folsom PD couldn't win in this situation. Can you imagine what would have been said if the video was released to the media and they hadn't arrested the mom?

I'm with Tessica that this should fade away and only be remembered as a lesson in the wrong way for parents to handle this type of situation.

[idunno]

I pretty much agree with Tess and Duck...but I still feel that the DA sent a wrong message to the public by saying there was no crime committed. There was a crime and yes I agree they have bigger fish to fry....i think they just handled it poorly...

[DrKoz23]

What do you think about the DA's office not interviewing the 2 adult witnesses, the ones shown on TV who were shocked by the announcement?

Pure laziness.

[knowfolsom]

"Submit him, Submit him,"

I thought Mr Miyagi taught us that we train in the art of Karate so we don't have to fight. I guess the mom has her kid enrolled in the Cobra Kai dojo.

Next time Heller puts a quote in the Bee let me put some boots on so I can wade through it.

Lets just hope that if they get any money from the PD and the City the smart mom sues for it back and puts it into the schools.

[maestro]

What do you think about the DA's office not interviewing the 2 adult witnesses, the ones shown on TV who were shocked by the announcement?


I think the DA did a terrible job. There is no excuse for not even interviewing the adults who witnessed it.


I think there is a message from the DA that you can direct/encourage/enable minors to do violent and/or illegal acts, and get away with it.


I also thing the DA is not sufficiently respectful of the Folsom PD which made the arrest and gathered evidence.

[Ragtop78]

What do you think about the DA's office not interviewing the 2 adult witnesses, the ones shown on TV who were shocked by the announcement?
I think the DA did a terrible job. There is no excuse for not even interviewing the adults who witnessed it.
I think there is a message from the DA that you can direct/encourage/enable minors to do violent and/or illegal acts, and get away with it.
I also thing the DA is not sufficiently respectful of the Folsom PD which made the arrest and gathered evidence.

Evidence? The statements from a handfull of 13 year olds and an incomplete video shot on a digital camera?

Would you be shocked to discover that the "bad mom" was never questioned by the police during their alleged investigation? Isn't she the ONLY adult witness to the entire event? The gas station attendent wasn't even there until the end, and the pierced woman only saw the end of the fight because it ended up in front of her car.


Or would you be more shocked to finally realize that the boy acted in self defense, the little girl said he was hit first in EVERY interview. Let's not forget that the mom drove her son the whole 40 feet from the school parking lot adjacent the gas station to where the other boy was waiting so that they could discuss their problems, not to fight. Maybe you missed that in EVERY newscast last Thursday.

Or possibly would you be shocked to learn that the boy was arrested, read his rights and questioned by the Folsom PD for over an hour without his parents being called? I'll warrant that none of you with kids realize that the school and PD have this power.

Friends, it is time to end this vilification of the woman. There was no crime commited and even the least accomplished arm chair attorney on this forum should finally recognize that fact.

[idunno]

Evidence? The statements from a handfull of 13 year olds and an incomplete video shot on a digital camera?

Would you be shocked to discover that the "bad mom" was never questioned by the police during their alleged investigation? Isn't she the ONLY adult witness to the entire event? The gas station attendent wasn't even there until the end, and the pierced woman only saw the end of the fight because it ended up in front of her car.
Or would you be more shocked to finally realize that the boy acted in self defense, the little girl said he was hit first in EVERY interview. Let's not forget that the mom drove her son the whole 40 feet from the school parking lot adjacent the gas station to where the other boy was waiting so that they could discuss their problems, not to fight. Maybe you missed that in EVERY newscast last Thursday.

Or possibly would you be shocked to learn that the boy was arrested, read his rights and questioned by the Folsom PD for over an hour without his parents being called? I'll warrant that none of you with kids realize that the school and PD have this power.

Friends, it is time to end this vilification of the woman. There was no crime commited and even the least accomplished arm chair attorney on this forum should finally recognize that fact.

Ragtop

I disagree with you. You cant get a statement from someone when the Lawyer up. The mom who did try to break it up did see everything. I guess you are either a family friend or the unprofessional attorney she had because you are also saying things that are not true. Adults are supposed to protect children from harm. How can you say that trying to keep a fight going is not committing a crime. Not only did the mom try to keep the fight going, she encouraged it....remember her now famous quote submit him submit him. really sounds like a mom who wanted to talk. I am pretty sure that if her little Karate trained son would have hurt the boy before the real adult stepped in, it would be a different story

[old soldier]

my frame of reference is that tv show law and order criminal intent where you have the police folks and the da folks put cases together

on the show the police are out talking to people and they bring the facts to the da who is an attorney and he decides if they have enough. sometimes the police get mad when mr DA says no and they go out and get more evidence.

someobdy on the forum says the da should have interviewed more witnesses but does that mean the da has to come out to folsom to intestigate.

it would seem that the police would put their report after talking to everybody they could find and give that to the DA and then the DA decides if it is strong enough for them to convict


don't know what to think about the police taking the kid and interviewing with out a parent. but there is a way to treat kids as adults so there might not be anything a parent could do about it.

iis there some karati system that has folks yell submit submit or is that made up?

[ducky]

Evidence? The statements from a handfull of 13 year olds and an incomplete video shot on a digital camera?

Would you be shocked to discover that the "bad mom" was never questioned by the police during their alleged investigation? Isn't she the ONLY adult witness to the entire event? The gas station attendent wasn't even there until the end, and the pierced woman only saw the end of the fight because it ended up in front of her car.
Or would you be more shocked to finally realize that the boy acted in self defense, the little girl said he was hit first in EVERY interview. Let's not forget that the mom drove her son the whole 40 feet from the school parking lot adjacent the gas station to where the other boy was waiting so that they could discuss their problems, not to fight. Maybe you missed that in EVERY newscast last Thursday.

Or possibly would you be shocked to learn that the boy was arrested, read his rights and questioned by the Folsom PD for over an hour without his parents being called? I'll warrant that none of you with kids realize that the school and PD have this power.

Friends, it is time to end this vilification of the woman. There was no crime commited and even the least accomplished arm chair attorney on this forum should finally recognize that fact.

So are you defending her actions? Is this how parents should handle disagreements between students? Since she only drove 40 feet it makes it okay?

I thought there were two videos of what happened, one with audio and one without. I guess we'll know when and if they are released.

[Ragtop78]

idunno,

Yes, I am a family friend and the parent of a student who is a witness to the events of the day. From the prior bullying on and off campus, to the scuffle at lunch, onto the taunting in the parking lot and ultimately the fight itself. You appear to be stating your beliefs with a conviction indicating that you may have seen the videos, read the police report, or are involved with the PD. Should you desire to put forth credible information here, please allow us to understand where your conviction stems from.


Old Soldier,

The term "submit" is a relatively new term used in the disciplines that have been bundled together for the mixed martial arts style popularized by the UFC and other full contact organizations.

A submission is achieved when a fighter has total control over his opponent whether by controlling limbs or locking joints. Submissions come in the disciplines of Brazilian Ju Jitsu through arm bars and leg bars, and Akido through joint locks, such as fingers, wrists or ankles. The art of grappling, or ground fighting, where students wrestle for a submission instead of a pin is taught in many of our local dojos. This is what is referred to as going to the ground in mixed martial arts.

As it is very difficult to achieve a submission on an aggressive, standing opponent, students are taught to strike their opponent quickly and then move in close, force the opponent to the ground and "mount" or sit astride the opponent and fight to put the opponent on the defensive. While the opponent is defensive, the one on top will grapple for position and lock onto a free arm, leg or joint and apply enough pressure to convince the other fighter that he should stop fighting.


Ducky and many others,

The public quickly latched onto the first reports, when the arrest occurred, accepting those reports as the absolute truth. Why do you have so much trouble now latching onto the facts presented by same media sources and the DA's office?

As quoted from then News10.net website:

"Two separate videos shot by witnesses at the scene did not provide the necessary evidence for a criminal prosecution, according to the Sacramento County district attorney's office."

"The evidence does not prove she (the mother) was doing anything other than encouraging him to defend himself," said Deputy District Attorney Lana Wyant. "Witnesses and both boys involved said the other boy threw the first punch."

"Nothing in the videos contradicts this version of events, according to the district attorney. While the video showing part of the fight does show the mother encouraging her son to fight, the evidence does not prove she was doing anything other than encouraging him to defend himself, the district attorney's office said."

From the Associated Press:

"But prosecutors said the video and witness accounts, while troubling, weren't enough to prove the charges. The decision came shortly before Honnold was to be arraigned.

The witnesses and Honnold say she drove her son to the gas station "so he could talk out the problems with the other boy," prosecutors said. "The evidence does not prove she was doing anything other than encouraging (her son) to defend himself. Both boys suffered minor scrapes, but neither claimed to be hurt."

[supermom]

Evidence? The statements from a handfull of 13 year olds and an incomplete video shot on a digital camera?

Would you be shocked to discover that the "bad mom" was never questioned by the police during their alleged investigation? Isn't she the ONLY adult witness to the entire event? The gas station attendent wasn't even there until the end, and the pierced woman only saw the end of the fight because it ended up in front of her car.
Or would you be more shocked to finally realize that the boy acted in self defense, the little girl said he was hit first in EVERY interview. Let's not forget that the mom drove her son the whole 40 feet from the school parking lot adjacent the gas station to where the other boy was waiting so that they could discuss their problems, not to fight. Maybe you missed that in EVERY newscast last Thursday.

Or possibly would you be shocked to learn that the boy was arrested, read his rights and questioned by the Folsom PD for over an hour without his parents being called? I'll warrant that none of you with kids realize that the school and PD have this power.

Friends, it is time to end this vilification of the woman. There was no crime commited and even the least accomplished arm chair attorney on this forum should finally recognize that fact.

Where do you get your information? Encouraging a child to have a fight is a crime itself. Encouraging a shouting match in public is a misdemeanor and I certainly don't think the mom should even have driven the kid over to the gas station. If she actuallly wanted to solve the issue she would have taken the kid home, calmed him down and given him a few points on forgiveness and tolerance even if you just don't like the person. She knowingly and purposely put both those children into a position where a confrontation was going to play out. SHAME ON HER.