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[ducky]

How can you tell they're stupid until you talk to them?

That would wipe out all daytime TV talk shows.

How many Judge Judy type shows are there? Who watches that stuff?

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[ducky]

How many Judge Judy type shows are there? Who watches that stuff?

I was thinking "The View" or "Oprah."

To answer your question, near as I can figure, captive audiences in waiting rooms such as jury duty and emergency rooms (as if those places aren't already fun to be).

[D's TK]

How can you tell they're stupid until you talk to them?

snort! chuckle! guffaw! Good one!

Now, if we all struck up a conversation with someone, they turned out to be "stupid" and we just walked away....wouldn't THAT make for a terrible increase of traffic???? Even if it's just foot traffic

[Steve Heard]

You redeemed yourself, Steve (although it's been wine an not beer). I couldn't believe you were the one who raised the potential correlation between political affiliation and snobbery.

I'm conservative and very friendly in public. I used to hang out on the streets to meet neighbors and their children. I talk to people in stores. I only get unfriendly when I'm in a hurry.

I wasn't drawing a correlation between political affiliation and snobbery. I know many humble, modest, down-to-earth conservatives. I also know some well-heeled, well-educated liberals who think they are much more enlightened and therefore better than the little people they champion.

I was, however, pointing out that what some people perceive as unfriendliness might be due to the conservative nature of many people here in town. Many conservative Folsomites like to state, as they have on this very forum many times, that Folsom is a conservative town, and although I am sure that most conservatives have lots of friends, I think the conservative nature of many of them makes them less likely, not impossible, but less likely to welcome and engage newcomers and strangers.

Gleaned from dictionary.com

Conservative

"disposed to preserve existing conditions..and to limit change...a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc..resistant to change..a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas.."

Liberal

"..favorable to progress or reform..tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners...open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc...characterized by generosity...generous...open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded..."

Based on those definitions, could you understand why someone might think Libs to be friendlier?

Remember, I mean not to impugn the character of my conservative friends, who are indeed kind, generous and friendly.

[Duke]

[quote name='stevethedad' date='Jun 5 2007, 12:21 PM' post='161083']
... and although I am sure that most conservatives have lots of friends, I think the conservative nature of many of them makes them less likely, not impossible, but less likely to welcome and engage newcomers and strangers."...

Respectfully disagree. My conservative friends and neighbors participate in service organizations, charitable work and community activities. They certainly don't fit the mold you've crafted here.

[tessieca]

The definitions make the people whom they are intended to describe sound very snobbish, especially the liberal one. It send me the opposite message of what Steve read into it.

[Steve Heard]

Respectfully disagree. My conservative friends and neighbors participate in service organizations, charitable work and community activities. They certainly don't fit the mold you've crafted here.

Again, not indicting conservatives, nor saying that they don't participate in service, charities, or community services. I serve along side them, so I know that they do.

The question was why strangers weren't speaking or smiling to a stranger, and my belief is that there are and can be many reasons, among them that there is a high likelihood that the strangers lifeinfolsom met were conservatives, being that, as conservatives often mention, Folsom is a conservative town, and that by nature, although conservatives may indeed be generous, participate in service and charitable organizations, they are more reserved (or conserved) and guarded, making them less likely to respond favorably to newcomers or strangers.

Just look at the threads we've shared in recent years.

Conservatives have opposed the mosque, homeless services, light rail, and a lingerie shop, citing the kind of people those facilities would bring to Folsom, and ridiculing the 'stinkin' libs' who do not share their views.

[notsure]

As a newcomer to Folsom, I have experienced people who have been extremely cautious and others who have been real nice to me. But I should say that the people who have been hesitant to talk to me were either assuming that I dont speak English or they just did not want to welcome us here. But what the heck, it happens everywhere not just Folsom.

[Duke]

...and my belief is that there are and can be many reasons, among them that there is a high likelihood that the strangers lifeinfolsom met were conservatives, being that, as conservatives often mention, Folsom is a conservative town, and that by nature, although conservatives may indeed be generous, participate in service and charitable organizations, they are more reserved (or conserved) and guarded, making them less likely to respond favor...

It's certainly contradictory to my experiences. I disagree with your personal opinion.

[supermom]

It's certainly contradictory to my experiences. I disagree with your personal opinion.

Can't we just say nobody is a snob, but everyone has the right to think that other's are?

Basically I think this is a flawed argument-which will never be unanimously agreed upon.

[Steve Heard]

It's certainly contradictory to my experiences. I disagree with your personal opinion.

That's because you're a snob.

I kid. No offense to you, Duke.

By the way, I think we can all appear to be snobbish at times.

A couple of years ago, I was on a school field trip the father of one of the girls in my daughter's class. We were talking about how Blanche Sprentz was such a great school. I mentioned that when I first moved to Folsom, I drove over to the school and the surrounding neighborhood, and when I saw the homes around Montrose and Talisman, that I wanted to put my daughter in another school.

The other dad said, "I live on Montrose, half a block from Talisman."

I suddenly realized how snobbish I must have sounded, and was pretty embarrassed by it. I think I went into backpedaling spin control, but it was probably too late. I imagine he still thinks of me as a snobbish arse.

[Duke]

That's because you're a snob.

I kid. No offense to you, Duke.

By the way, I think we can all appear to be snobbish at times.

A couple of years ago, I was on a school field trip the father of one of the girls in my daughter's class. We were talking about how Blanche Sprentz was such a great school. I mentioned that when I first moved to Folsom, I drove over to the school and the surrounding neighborhood, and when I saw the homes around Montrose and Talisman, that I wanted to put my daughter in another school.

The other dad said, "I live on Montrose, half a block from Talisman."

I suddenly realized how snobbish I must have sounded, and was pretty embarrassed by it. I think I went into backpedaling spin control, but it was probably too late. I imagine he still thinks of me as a snobbish arse.

There is certainly a variety of dynamics at work, besides politics.

It's akin to the recent opposition by Marin County residents of a Habitat for Humanity project in the Eagle Rock area.
Their argument? Increases in traffic, services, and reduction in property values. Draw your own conclusions as to their political leanings.

[banana]

Conservatives have opposed the mosque, homeless services, light rail, and a lingerie shop, citing the kind of people those facilities would bring to Folsom, and ridiculing the 'stinkin' libs' who do not share their views.

you noticed that too huh?

[tessieca]

Conservatives have opposed the mosque, homeless services, light rail, and a lingerie shop,

But, I've opposed 2/4 of those, and it still has nothing to do with snobbery. Really, I'm still a very friendly person in public . . . unless traffic has made me really irritable.

[Steve Heard]

But, I've opposed 2/4 of those, and it still has nothing to do with snobbery. Really, I'm still a very friendly person in public . . . unless traffic has made me really irritable.

Folsom is none the worse for any of the 4.

I will give you points for marrying a liberal, which proves that we all can get along.