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[LexHillsmom]

I really don't know what the punishment should be for these two Teens. I guess that I would ask people to put themselves in Mr. McNew's shoes or that of anyone who has lost a loved one in an incident where the accused made a (bad) choice that resulted in someone loosing their life. I really want to hear from some of the more vocal posters I have seen on this forum i.e, Family Friend, Robert Giacomo, Stevethedad. I am interested to hear what Family Friend has to say because he/she seems to have the information that was gathered about the crash. Robert G seems to have a lot of doubt about the findings and Stevethedad seems to be in the middle, waiting to hear more information. Please don't read this as a personal attack, just something I am very intersted in hearing.

honestly, I really don't know what I would want punishment to be if one of my family members was killed in a situation like this... I see LexHillsmom is online now, do you have a response to this question...

looking forward to what you all have to say...

If it were my mother, sister, daughter that had been killed by teenage irresponsible drivers who by all accounts had been a decent human being prior to the accident = and that is what this is - an accident= I would want the boys to face accountability that would truly facilitate their daily reflection on their poor judgement and do mandated community service around helping others - perhaps hospice, some type of physicial rehabilitation facility and speaking to teens about their actions and devastation they wreaked on a families life. A hefty fine will be leveraged by the Court against them and they'll be paying for it for years. And then soon will come the civil lawsuit which they'll also be paying for years...

Hurling them into the snake pit at the California Youth Authority - an institutition recognized as the most broken and decrepid penal institution in the U.S. - will never achieve anything other than to destroy those two boys lives. They would be hardened and lost forever and never give another thought to their mistake...only turning inward to survive.

This case has been lost in the politics of it all - the latest developments are most likely all posturing on the part of everyone involved - at the advice again of lawyers - both the DA and the Defense - one trying to save face and the other trying to do what, in the end, will keep his clients out of the Youth Authority.

My prediction and hope is the boys will not see the walls of the CYA and their lives have already been permanently changed as a result of this entire ordeal.

[snutey]

i have been listening to family friend and trying my best to understand where he/she is coming from...until he/she's last post. The two drivers were the only one's that were charged with anything, the passengers were never charged or taken into custody, just detained and questioned. In any case, the law enforcement agency is only invovled in the actual arrest and completion of the report. The charges, which the accused are booked in for, are only recomendations to the DA. That is it for any law enforcement agency. Your 2-20 reference has nothing to do with Folsom PD and is way off base. Once the accused are booked, it is the DA who decides what charges are appropriate, not the law enforcement agency.

[Jolene]

My prediction and hope is the boys will not see the walls of the CYA and their lives have already been permanently changed as a result of this entire ordeal.

Kind of like the mother/teacher/wife/daughter whose life is irrevocably changed, as are the lives of her family?

Again, another example of someone paying more attention to the perpetrators of the crime, rather than the victims. Very sad.

[ChipShot]

The Applebee's video shows that when she was driving through the parking lot and passed the front entrance of the restaurant the boys cars are already in view. She barely misses hitting two people walking in the parking lot because of her speed.

Then as she leaves the view of the camera before she gets to the stop sign and almost immediate the accident happened.

When you time the video she didn't have time to come to a complete stop. Let alone look both ways before entering the road.

No such video exists, and I'm not sure why you would make-up these "details". Makes me think you have your own motive/agenda. Very irresponsible.

[LexHillsmom]

Again, another example of someone paying more attention to the perpetrators of the crime, rather than the victims. Very sad.

No, not paying more attention but rather not seeing any benefit whatsoever to further adding to the tragedy by seeking punitive measures that will serve no one. not society, not Mrs. McKnew and not the boys.

It was an accident. Period.

[LexHillsmom]

No such video exists, and I'm not sure why you would make-up these "details". Makes me think you have your own motive/agenda. Very irresponsible.

How do you know no video exists?

Of course Family Friend has an agenda...he/she is a family friend of the boys and their families probably.

Inside information always seems to make people very uncomfortable because it is an obstacle to allowing someone to neatly tuck in all the corners of the fabric around what they WANT to perceive is the truth.

[LexHillsmom]

i Once the accused are booked, it is the DA who decides what charges are appropriate, not the law enforcement agency.

True. However, whether charges are appropriate or not are not always the determining factor. Then it becomes whether the charges can stick, who is watching and what the DA has to gain from the case.

[Andrea V]

If the white BMW, went behind the teacher after she pulled out that kinda indicates to me she really never saw the vehicles at all and that the cars were a lot closer to her than I imagined, before she pulled out

Which is why I was saying it is also a blind corner... It is hard to see people who are going 45 never mind if they go faster!

[ChipShot]

Inside information always seems to make people very uncomfortable because it is an obstacle to allowing someone to neatly tuck in all the corners of the fabric around what they WANT to perceive is the truth.

Especially FALSE inside information. No video exists...if it did, believe me, we'd have heard much more about it, and this would be much more of a "comparative negligence" case. Sorry, nice try, FF.

[doj_gal]

If it were my mother, sister, daughter that had been killed by teenage irresponsible drivers who by all accounts had been a decent human being prior to the accident = and that is what this is - an accident= I would want the boys to face accountability that would truly facilitate their daily reflection on their poor judgement and do mandated community service around helping others - perhaps hospice, some type of physicial rehabilitation facility and speaking to teens about their actions and devastation they wreaked on a families life. A hefty fine will be leveraged by the Court against them and they'll be paying for it for years. And then soon will come the civil lawsuit which they'll also be paying for years...

Hurling them into the snake pit at the California Youth Authority - an institutition recognized as the most broken and decrepid penal institution in the U.S. - will never achieve anything other than to destroy those two boys lives. They would be hardened and lost forever and never give another thought to their mistake...only turning inward to survive.

This case has been lost in the politics of it all - the latest developments are most likely all posturing on the part of everyone involved - at the advice again of lawyers - both the DA and the Defense - one trying to save face and the other trying to do what, in the end, will keep his clients out of the Youth Authority.

My prediction and hope is the boys will not see the walls of the CYA and their lives have already been permanently changed as a result of this entire ordeal.

I totally agree with you but the other posters are out for blood so everything you just posted pretty much fell on deaf ears....

[ChipShot]

I totally agree with you but the other posters are out for blood

Nope, just want the punishment to fit the crime. I know that's a foreign concept to some of you, which is unfortunate.

[banana]

It was an accident. Period.

Street racing is not accidental, their feet didn't suddenly slip and push down on the accellerators, the cars were not possessed by the spirit Dale Earnheart, they conciously chose to race, ignore the law and put themselves and everyone around them in extreme danger.

It wasn't an accident, it was blatant disregard for the law and the safety of others and they need to be punished for their decision to illegally race.

[LexHillsmom]

Nope, just want the punishment to fit the crime. I know that's a foreign concept to some of you, which is unfortunate.

How does it fit?

The way I see it, your solution is a contributing factor in why our criminal jusutice system is so pathetically broken. We can't pay attention to and lock up sociopathic, hardened and dangerous criminals because we chase down situations like this going for the blood of two kids who probably have a shot in this world. I'd like to see bad guys put away and throw away the key but this is very far from such a scenario. It is a waste of tax dollars and more importantly, a waste of two more lives should they get what you think they should.

What seems to be a foreign concept here is rational and reasonability. God help all you gladiator voyeurs should you or someone you love be tangled up in a mess that involves a courtroom and its players.

[banana]

I totally agree with you but the other posters are out for blood so everything you just posted pretty much fell on deaf ears....

I feel more for the husband and children of the deceased then I do for those punk kids, if that was me I'd be out for the bood of those bastards that killed my wife.

[banana]

Nope, just want the punishment to fit the crime. I know that's a foreign concept to some of you, which is unfortunate.

It blows me away how so many people are for the punks that killed the woman and they seem to not care at all about the lady who lost her life because of these irresponsible jerks.