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#91 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (Darthvader @ Mar 4 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Steve gave you more than enough answers yet you still fail to see what's going on. Move along, you obviously see everything through rose colored glasses.


Darth, I hope you aren't mad at me when I pointed out that students can't leave campus at lunch, therefore your source of information was inaccurate, are you? I try and look at things through reality and the reality is students can't leave campus to go out and get high like your source claims.



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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Mar 5 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We ARE trying to do something about it! The police have been trying, the schools have been trying, parents, counselors and the City have been trying.

We've hosted forums for parents and kids alike. Most have been poorly attended (1 had only 12).

Most seem to mistakenly believe:

a) If you igore it, it will go away
b) It's not a big deal
c) Talking about it will only arouse curiousity
d) Admitting it will hurt our (school, city, family) image
e) My kid would NEVER do that
f) All of the above

The first forum I went to was packed and I couldn't get in.

The second was full.

I do think parents are attending.

Well, ok, the meeting I went to only had one guy in it......

So, I'll change that to--I do think many mothers are attending!!!!

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Mar 5 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Darth, I hope you aren't mad at me when I pointed out that students can't leave campus at lunch, therefore your source of information was inaccurate, are you? I try and look at things through reality and the reality is students can't leave campus to go out and get high like your source claims.

I don't know how well it's enforced as some have posted how many kids they see out & about at lunch time, but policy is:
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FOLSOM CORDOVA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
Students
CLOSED CAMPUS BP 5112.5
Closed Campus
In order to keep students in a supervised, safe and orderly environment, the Governing Board establishes a closed campus at all District schools.
Students shall not leave the school grounds at any time during the school day without written permission of their parents/guardians and school authorities. Students who leave school without authorization shall be classified truant and subject to disciplinary action.
Student handbooks shall fully explain all rules and disciplinary procedures involved in the maintenance of the closed campus.
Adopted: January 19, 2000

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Mar 5 2009, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know how well it's enforced as some have posted how many kids they see out & about at lunch time, but policy is:


The kids that you are probably seeing are the kids from Folsom Lake. They dont start until 12pm.????


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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:10 PM

When I was in High school I got out at 11:50 everyday of my junior and senior year.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Mar 5 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We ARE trying to do something about it! The police have been trying, the schools have been trying, parents, counselors and the City have been trying.

We've hosted forums for parents and kids alike. Most have been poorly attended (1 had only 12).

Most seem to mistakenly believe:

a) If you igore it, it will go away
b) It's not a big deal
c) Talking about it will only arouse curiousity
d) Admitting it will hurt our (school, city, family) image
e) My kid would NEVER do that
f) All of the above


Thanks Steve. I only heard about one of these forums and it was the day after it happened. I was upset and wanted to attend. That was the one with Christina Mendoza (sp?) What came out of the forums? Have any actions been taken? What type of suggestions were made?

I seriously think they should have drug sniffing dogs at the school. I know there are a number of students that carry drugs on them at the school for sale. I don’t think the dogs can sniff out prescription drugs, but at least it might help with the other stuff. I just can’t believe that with all the video cameras and campus monitors that the kids are getting away with this. I guess they can’t be in every place at once. It sucks that the budgets were cut and the resource officers we taken away. I think they were a big help.



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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:37 PM

students are not stopped when walking off campus. a student can leave when they want. no one can stop them. HOWEVER, once they return there ARE consequences, like you cut a class or you were late returning. but YES kids leave all the time. again, it IS happening. and THAT is fact.

besides, just because a policy is on the books, and just because there are consequences after the decision, and just because a cop or administrator is watching, doesn't stop the NEED to go and get loaded or high.....THAT is the real issue.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE (normajean @ Mar 5 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
students are not stopped when walking off campus. a student can leave when they want. no one can stop them. HOWEVER, once they return there ARE consequences, like you cut a class or you were late returning. but YES kids leave all the time. again, it IS happening. and THAT is fact.

besides, just because a policy is on the books, and just because there are consequences after the decision, and just because a cop or administrator is watching, doesn't stop the NEED to go and get loaded or high.....THAT is the real issue.


Just curious how many students are leaving, 5 or 10, 100, 1000? Just because students cut class doesn't guarantee they are out getting high. If this is such a problem, why aren't the police busting these kids for illegal drug use? If this issue is this widely known, I gotta believe our police force, with their mobile command center, know about this as well.

Isn't there a policy whereby Athletes and others have to be in school and can't cut classes to participate?

Maybe you could also define "prevelant'', the term you used in your previous post, so some of us have a better understanding of what your defintion is?

I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to determine what some people are thinking regarding the number of students who are using drugs and alcohol.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (supermom @ Mar 5 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first forum I went to was packed and I couldn't get in.

The second was full.

I do think parents are attending.

Well, ok, the meeting I went to only had one guy in it......

So, I'll change that to--I do think many mothers are attending!!!!


We must be talking about different events. I've been involved in every single forum, and there's always been room for more people. The first one, back in 03, I believe, was pretty full, but we got more chairs. The last one was well-attended, but it too, had room for more people. The others, very poor. We had one at Judah. 12 people. We had one at Folsom High, perhaps 20 people. We had one where about 125 or so people showed up concerned over their kids possibly getting hooked on drugs, but next door, many more than that showed up at City Council to protest a lingerie shop opening on Sutter.

QUOTE (nlove4ever @ Mar 5 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Steve. I only heard about one of these forums and it was the day after it happened. I was upset and wanted to attend. That was the one with Christina Mendoza (sp?) What came out of the forums? Have any actions been taken? What type of suggestions were made?


Basically, it was be aware, that drugs are here in Folsom, understand that it CAN happen to your kid, educate yourselves, look for the warning signs, take it very seriously, and do something about it.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Mar 4 2009, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As a former teen, someone who came up before the era of 'just say no', parent of two teens, organizer of community forums on drug abuse among kids, observer and advice giver, I've learned quite a bit. I'm not a certified bonafide expert, but that's never stopped me from shooting my mouth of, so here goes...






To the 'it's just pot' crowd, I can tell you that that phrase is the one cops, counselors, health care workers and teachers dread the most, coming from a parent.

At one of our PEP talks, one of the counselors explained that it's not 'just pot', it's a relationship with intoxication. While there are people who tried marijuana once and never again, and some who made it their drug of choice without trying any others, the vast majority develop the relationship with intoxication, and will try other intoxicants.

If you take away someone's weed, they will try the cough syrup, the vodka, the coke, the heroin, whatever will get them high. When I was a kid, someone told me that you could get high smoking a banana leaf. I thought they meant the skin. Man those things are hard to light!
I am not an anti-drug crusader, but rather, would love to see a world where kids make it through to adulthood without getting sidetracked, addicted or overdosing on drugs. There's plenty of time to dope it up once one reaches adulthood.

I'd have no objection to the guy making and eating his brownies and sharing them with friends, but to bring them to school and sell them to kids, that has to be taken very siriously.


Your talking about bananadine. You were right, its the peel, but you dont just roll the peel up and try to light it. You would take the peel and scrape all the insides of the peel off with a sharp knife. Then you would add the scrapings to a large pot of water and boil for 3-4 hours. Then you take it out of the water and spread on a cookie sheet to bake for 20 mins. You would end up with a fine black powder that you could smoke.

It was all just a hoax though. It was designed to raise questions about the ethics of making psychoactive drugs illegal and prosecuting those who took them; "what if the common banana contained psychoactive properties, how would the government react?".


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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE (mylo @ Mar 4 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are they ever on-campus? I see hoards of seemingly middle-schoolers roaming the streets of Folsom all the time!



OMG..What are those kids doing outside!! Don't they know that they should be inside with the curtains drawn playing on the computer or at least a video game!?! This type of irresponsible parenting will be the downfall of our civilized community!

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:09 AM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Mar 5 2009, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We ARE trying to do something about it! The police have been trying, the schools have been trying, parents, counselors and the City have been trying.

We've hosted forums for parents and kids alike. Most have been poorly attended (1 had only 12).

Most seem to mistakenly believe:

a) If you igore it, it will go away
b) It's not a big deal
c) Talking about it will only arouse curiousity
d) Admitting it will hurt our (school, city, family) image
e) My kid would NEVER do that
f) All of the above


Let me say that I am not TRYING to start trouble...but as an obsevration, I though it was odd that as I was reading this I glanced over to see the info. of the person that was writing it and saw that the word "addict" appeared under their name....in light of this very conversation, someone may want to reconsider the wording?


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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE (awood @ Mar 9 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me say that I am not TRYING to start trouble...but as an obsevration, I though it was odd that as I was reading this I glanced over to see the info. of the person that was writing it and saw that the word "addict" appeared under their name....in light of this very conversation, someone may want to reconsider the wording?

Most posters seem to mistakenly believe:

a) If you igore a poster, he/she will go away
b) Grammar/punctuation are not a big deal
c) Talking about the a-word will only arouse curiousity
d) Admitting MyFolsom will hurt our (school, city, family) image
e) My kid would NEVER post that
f) All of the above
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (awood @ Mar 9 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me say that I am not TRYING to start trouble...but as an obsevration, I though it was odd that as I was reading this I glanced over to see the info. of the person that was writing it and saw that the word "addict" appeared under their name....in light of this very conversation, someone may want to reconsider the wording?


I doubt being a member of myfolsom.com qualifies as substance abuse. Besides, it's those Scrabble and quilting addicts you really have to worry about. tongue.gif

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (normajean @ Mar 5 2009, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
students are not stopped when walking off campus. a student can leave when they want. no one can stop them. HOWEVER, once they return there ARE consequences, like you cut a class or you were late returning. but YES kids leave all the time. again, it IS happening. and THAT is fact.

besides, just because a policy is on the books, and just because there are consequences after the decision, and just because a cop or administrator is watching, doesn't stop the NEED to go and get loaded or high.....THAT is the real issue.

What site are you talking about? The district pays money to campus monitors to ensure kids aren't leaving closed campuses. There is also other adult monitoring during lunch periods when kids are wandering about and could try to leave. Obviously, they're not going to catch every sneaky kid, but it goes too far to say "student[s] can leave when they want. No one can stop them." Exaggeration at best.
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