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#91 legofamily

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Deb B @ Jan 28 2010, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A break can be partial and it may or may not sever the spinal cord. And yes, the combination of alcohol and pain meds ~ not to mention the adrenaline rush of the accident ~ can mask pain.


I agree. I guess when I think of broken neck I think paralysis and often this isn't the case.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE (chris v @ Jan 28 2010, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vicodin and booze!



I totally understand the role Vicodin and Booze played. I guess I don't understand how someone can think it is okay to mix the two or drive while under the influence of either one. Especially where children are involved. Maybe I just assume that everyone uses common sense and in reality common sense goes out the window more often than not.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:09 PM

This thread is detoriating fast.

Lets all take a moment and say a prayer for ALL those involved, including Dave.

The poor husband must be going through hell right now, he has a son who he loves, fighting for his life because of a negilent accident caused by the woman he loves. What a torment that must be for this poor man. On top of all this he has other children who are injured as well, probably crying out for their mother as well.

Do we really need to critique every word this poor guys says?

Let the police handle all of this, none of us knows for sure if the lady really did have too much to drink or if she really did have vicodin in her system. None of us knows if she suffered some reaction from taking any medication, that made her do the things she has never done before.

If indeed something happened that might explain everything, I couldn't imagine the torture and agony that this lady will suffer through for the rest of her life.

These life lessons should make us stop and think, hug those we love, be greatful for what we have and have faith that the system will do its job.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:19 PM

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I totally understand the role Vicodin and Booze played. I guess I don't understand how someone can think it is okay to mix the two or drive while under the influence of either one. Especially where children are involved. Maybe I just assume that everyone uses common sense and in reality common sense goes out the window more often than not.



You must be young. smile.gif Give it a few more years; I'm actually surprised when I see common sense in use.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE (Deb B @ Jan 28 2010, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You must be young. smile.gif Give it a few more years; I'm actually surprised when I see common sense in use.

so true,

And while I feel if she is guilty of driving under the influence of alcohol and prescription drugs, she does deserve to pay for her crimes, but I find some people are posting as if she is pure evil and intentionally meant to put her children's lives in danger.


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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This thread is detoriating fast.

Lets all take a moment and say a prayer for ALL those involved, including Dave.

The poor husband must be going through hell right now, he has a son who he loves, fighting for his life because of a negilent accident caused by the woman he loves. What a torment that must be for this poor man. On top of all this he has other children who are injured as well, probably crying out for their mother as well.

Do we really need to critique every word this poor guys says?

Let the police handle all of this, none of us knows for sure if the lady really did have too much to drink or if she really did have vicodin in her system. None of us knows if she suffered some reaction from taking any medication, that made her do the things she has never done before.

If indeed something happened that might explain everything, I couldn't imagine the torture and agony that this lady will suffer through for the rest of her life.

These life lessons should make us stop and think, hug those we love, be greatful for what we have and have faith that the system will do its job.

ITA...this goes to show how choices made can devastate an entire family...they will all be suffering with the choices she made that night. Praying for that innocent boy and hoping he recovers...


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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This thread is detoriating fast.

Lets all take a moment and say a prayer for ALL those involved, including Dave.

The poor husband must be going through hell right now, he has a son who he loves, fighting for his life because of a negilent accident caused by the woman he loves. What a torment that must be for this poor man. On top of all this he has other children who are injured as well, probably crying out for their mother as well.

Do we really need to critique every word this poor guys says?

Let the police handle all of this, none of us knows for sure if the lady really did have too much to drink or if she really did have vicodin in her system. None of us knows if she suffered some reaction from taking any medication, that made her do the things she has never done before.

If indeed something happened that might explain everything, I couldn't imagine the torture and agony that this lady will suffer through for the rest of her life.

These life lessons should make us stop and think, hug those we love, be greatful for what we have and have faith that the system will do its job.

While I totally agree with most of what you said, I also agree with those who are angry and disgusted that someone was speeding down the road without lights and without regard to other drivers. It's bad enough that people do that and endanger innocent people, but it's worse when they have their own loved ones in the vehicle with them.

I feel horrible for the father and the children (and the others involved), but I'm not feeling sorry in the least bit for the woman driving. She is due every uncomfortable moment she gets.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:01 PM

QUOTE (cw68 @ Jan 28 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While I totally agree with most of what you said, I also agree with those who are angry and disgusted that someone was speeding down the road without lights and without regard to other drivers. It's bad enough that people do that and endanger innocent people, but it's worse when they have their own loved ones in the vehicle with them.

I feel horrible for the father and the children (and the others involved), but I'm not feeling sorry in the least bit for the woman driving. She is due every uncomfortable moment she gets.


I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Deb B @ Jan 28 2010, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You must be young. smile.gif Give it a few more years; I'm actually surprised when I see common sense in use.



Thank you for saying I must young. smile.gif Actually I am only a couple of years shy of forty. I guess in my dream world people would use common sense a lot more often. That or I am just a tad naive. I agree with you though, I am surprised when I see common sense in use as well. Too bad it doesn't happen more often.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.

I'd say that her driving with her kids (or any kids even) in the car when taking a narcotic like vicodin is stupid and inexcusable to me. Hell, it would be stupid and inexcusable even if she was alone.

It would be doubly worse if it was one of her first times taking the prescription as one wouldn't know how one's body would react.

It would be murderous if it turns out that she was drinking too.

So since her husband said she was taking them the night of the crash, I'll keep my judgment of her at stupid and inexcusable and leave murderous out unless drinking becomes an official contributing factor.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.


Well said.

Wait for the facts folks and hope the family recovers from this car wreck.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.



I appreciate that you're trying to be patient and wait... but you don't take narcotics and drive. Period. This isn't an issue of whether or not she had a reaction to the meds; the issue is you're not supposed to take them and drive or take them, drink and then drive.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 11:32 PM

Stupid, and sad.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 12:24 AM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Jan 28 2010, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.



Sorry Robert, I've taken Vicodin before and it clearly says on the prescription bottle NOT to take that medication and drive. It's in big red letters so anyone can see....so there is no excuse. Vicodin makes you very sleepy as a rule and most people have trouble just staying awake, let alone, trying to drive. That is why there is a warning on the medication bottle!!!!!

Plus, she has already admitted to drinking alcohol before driving. By her own admission she broke the law right there. We don't have to wait to find out the facts here. She was speeding, without head lights and admitted to drinking. What else do you want to realize this woman acted without regard for the life of her children or others on the road?

You think we will find out all the facts later? I doubt it. These types of stories get dumped after a few days and nobody hears about them again, usually. The news media doesn't feel they are more important than the current news items.

It's kind of you to want everyone to wait until all the facts are in....but Robert, the main facts are already in. It's all too clear! She made a choice and we all do everyday that we get into a car and drive. She couldn't be held in a different standard any any one of us.




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Posted 29 January 2010 - 07:35 AM

For the record I never said she needs to be put on death row and executed... I said she deserves to die.




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