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#91 mylo

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Kerri Howell @ May 18 2010, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My home phone is also in the book - though now is not a good time to call it, since I can not use it, and can not get to voicemail - I hope that is resolved this week - and don't ask me for any recommendations for Comcast, either.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 02:56 PM

QUOTE (giacomo @ May 18 2010, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One councilman I have no problem getting a hold of is Ernie Sheldon. His phone number is in the book. I just spoke with him and he definately will answer phone calls and if you get his voice mail he will call you back. He did say he's not comfortable with a computer.
His home # is 989-4752. His cell phone # is 801-5690. He prefers you call him at home and yes he gave me the okay to give out his numbers.

If you want to speak to him in person stop by the fireworks booth at the Sav Mart shopping center between June 28 and July 4th. He'll be there every day working his @#$ off selling fireworks to help the Folsom Athletic Association.


As a public official he should accommodate how citizens want to contact him, not simply refuse to answer emails. It's wonderful he takes calls, but he should respond to emails as well.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 09:06 PM

On the subject of elected officials and communication, Chad, you did a great job at responding to the questions in the Bee the other day. If you would like to put a sign in my yard, email me privately for the address. I have another item I would like to discuss with you as well - great job again at dealing with the press - even better for a newbie!

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#94 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (cw68 @ May 18 2010, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When and where? How am I supposed to know this? I'm just totally confused as to how you think I'm supposed to know this and would like clarification. It just seems like this information should be posted at the same place on the City's site that gives their emails.

ps - I still personally think telling someone "you're part of the problem" is personal, but really don't care to continue on that.


Ernie has stated before he was elected , during the campaign and while serving on the Council, that he will read his emails, but he doesn't do so well with sending emails. So he has asked people for their patience and he will do his best to return phone calls.

In the past whenever someone new gets elected to the council I would find away to introduce myself and ask them what is the best way for me to contact them in the future.

I do appreciate those on the council who make the extra effort to return calls and emails.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 07:02 AM

there is no reason for and old codger like Ernie not to join the email computer age. somebody has got to take him by the hand and show him the ropes

it may be that when you are older you don't like to admit what you don't know.

the other thing ernie might to is have a friend be his computer guy...in this day and age a politician that can't use the conventional tools is not getting the job done with regard to talking to the people

hey, I was scared a year ago when I got my i-phone and now I can't live without it

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE (old soldier @ May 19 2010, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there is no reason for and old codger like Ernie not to join the email computer age. somebody has got to take him by the hand and show him the ropes

it may be that when you are older you don't like to admit what you don't know.

the other thing ernie might to is have a friend be his computer guy...in this day and age a politician that can't use the conventional tools is not getting the job done with regard to talking to the people

hey, I was scared a year ago when I got my i-phone and now I can't live without it


I can help him with that, I offer training as part of my computer services. smile.gif

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 01:16 PM

Back on topic (wow, this has degraded), the things that were expressed in favor of the project were limited to property rights and not wanting a governmental "taking," and the perceived benefit from having the developer/builder make the historic site more accessible to the public than it is today. One or more expressly stated they were not moved by the TOT argument.

QUOTE (ducky @ May 16 2010, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So it sounds to me like a worse plan than was presented in 2005 and sent back. Thanks, Tink, for the info.

Yes, interestingly, the planning commission approved it unanimously in the first round, and some of the same members said this is a worse plan, didn't follow the council's direction, and penciling out was the owner's problem, not the city's. 3 councilmembers disagreed.
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#98 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Kerri Howell @ May 18 2010, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is amusing. Many of you are being chastised for wanting an explanation from elected officials about a decision made last week, because you obviously did not get the memo that one person got that states that council members do not respond to emails. However, it is OK for that same person to keep asking questions about a council decision from about 5 years ago. That same individual is attempting to make you believe that I am trying to mislead the public and that my vote against the hotel last week is based upon some hidden agenda. Somebody tell me what the hidden agenda might be - please.

I have never supported the proposed hotel, and that goes way back. At every opportunity, I have explained my opposition to the project, including in a televised interview with Channel 3, 5 years ago.

So, speaking of ancient history, I would be the only council member to "state publically" that an RFP was issued - is that because I am the only council member who posts here with any frequency, and the most likely to respond to emails? I guess there has never been an opportunity to ask any other council member about the RFP (that would be the one that the City issued, and to which there were 3 responses - one of which was considered "non-responsive" because it did not provide all the information requested). The 2 remaining were reviewed, based largely on what the developer was proposing to build on the site. An appraisal was obtained, and, after selecting the best conceptual project, negotiations were undertaken with the selected developer. The developer then went through the process to obtain the required approvals for the project. Once those approvals were otained, the firm decided to sell the property to a home builder. I am sure they made money on it and, based upon the project getting started, selling some of the homes, at the top of the market, the housing market taking a dive and the homebuilder going belly up on the project - I would agree they overpaid. Can we finally let this issue go? I have explained this several times already. Do us all a favor, pick up the phone, send an email, call City Hall, do whatever suits you - but get confirmation that the RFP was issued and stop expecting me to go to City Hall and get a copy of a completely irrelevant document that you are more than capable of getting on your own.

Thank you to those who have been supportive in your comments. As always, feel free to contact me any time.

Kerri


There was no memo. One council member has said at a meeting he reads emails but doesn't respond that way.

I was told there wasn't any RFP. There wasn't any advertisement placed in any publication inviting ANYONE who was interested in to submit a proposal, the fact is ONLY 2 potential bidders were invited to bid on the land. IMO, this is very POOR way of trying to maximize the residents of Folsom return on their assets by limiting the bidders.

I'm amazed at your audacity to bring up the subject of an appraisal. Maybe I shouldn't be, given how some on here will go to any length to stick their head in the sand to avoid looking at the truth regarding this? Yes, there was an appraisal done, but you know it was appraised on VACANT land, giving it a lesser value and lower price to the middleman. Who then bought the land and ENTITLEMENTS and resold them to the home builder for fastest and most profitable land flip deal in the history of Sac County

The City had every right to negotiate directly with a Home Builder thereby maximizing the return for its residents getting the $21 milion for the land, instead of $7 million. Coincidently shortly after this deal the former City Manager and negotiator for the City on this deal announced they were leaving to spend more time with their children. Yet amazingly, they secured a no bid contract to become bridge consultant and also secured another contract trying to help pass the Arena Tax. They then went on to start their own " consultant company, possibly representing land owners.

I'll let the openminded people from their own opinions about the smell about all this on their own. I did hear the rumors and innuendos about all kinds of things, but of course nothing can be proven, so I won't share these.

The one thing that so troubles me about all this regarding you, is your letter claiming the former City Manager was the best City Manager the city ever had. Here is someone who just negotiated a potential $21 million piece of land for its residents, down to $7 million and you are making the claim they were the best? If this your defintion of being the best, I'd hate to see what the worst would be.

Something here doesn't make any sense. The only 2 things I can think of is you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about or you do know and are attempting to mislead the public. The fact that no one at the city or yourself can produce this RFP and/or show where the invitation to bid was published, leads me to believe there is something being covered up.

The Residents of Folsom lost out on $14 million over this deal and I'm NOT going to let it go away, until ALL of those who were serving on the council are off the council or come clean as to what really happened and who was responsible.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ May 26 2010, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There was no memo. One council member has said at a meeting he reads emails but doesn't respond that way.

I was told there wasn't any RFP. There wasn't any advertisement placed in any publication inviting ANYONE who was interested in to submit a proposal, the fact is ONLY 2 potential bidders were invited to bid on the land. IMO, this is very POOR way of trying to maximize the residents of Folsom return on their assets by limiting the bidders.

I'm amazed at your audacity to bring up the subject of an appraisal. Maybe I shouldn't be, given how some on here will go to any length to stick their head in the sand to avoid looking at the truth regarding this? Yes, there was an appraisal done, but you know it was appraised on VACANT land, giving it a lesser value and lower price to the middleman. Who then bought the land and ENTITLEMENTS and resold them to the home builder for fastest and most profitable land flip deal in the history of Sac County

The City had every right to negotiate directly with a Home Builder thereby maximizing the return for its residents getting the $21 milion for the land, instead of $7 million. Coincidently shortly after this deal the former City Manager and negotiator for the City on this deal announced they were leaving to spend more time with their children. Yet amazingly, they secured a no bid contract to become bridge consultant and also secured another contract trying to help pass the Arena Tax. They then went on to start their own " consultant company, possibly representing land owners.

I'll let the openminded people from their own opinions about the smell about all this on their own. I did hear the rumors and innuendos about all kinds of things, but of course nothing can be proven, so I won't share these.

The one thing that so troubles me about all this regarding you, is your letter claiming the former City Manager was the best City Manager the city ever had. Here is someone who just negotiated a potential $21 million piece of land for its residents, down to $7 million and you are making the claim they were the best? If this your defintion of being the best, I'd hate to see what the worst would be.

Something here doesn't make any sense. The only 2 things I can think of is you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about or you do know and are attempting to mislead the public. The fact that no one at the city or yourself can produce this RFP and/or show where the invitation to bid was published, leads me to believe there is something being covered up.

The Residents of Folsom lost out on $14 million over this deal and I'm NOT going to let it go away, until ALL of those who were serving on the council are off the council or come clean as to what really happened and who was responsible.


Robert, have you asked Ernie?

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ May 26 2010, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There was no memo. One council member has said at a meeting he reads emails but doesn't respond that way.

I was told there wasn't any RFP. There wasn't any advertisement placed in any publication inviting ANYONE who was interested in to submit a proposal, the fact is ONLY 2 potential bidders were invited to bid on the land. IMO, this is very POOR way of trying to maximize the residents of Folsom return on their assets by limiting the bidders.

I'm amazed at your audacity to bring up the subject of an appraisal. Maybe I shouldn't be, given how some on here will go to any length to stick their head in the sand to avoid looking at the truth regarding this? Yes, there was an appraisal done, but you know it was appraised on VACANT land, giving it a lesser value and lower price to the middleman. Who then bought the land and ENTITLEMENTS and resold them to the home builder for fastest and most profitable land flip deal in the history of Sac County

The City had every right to negotiate directly with a Home Builder thereby maximizing the return for its residents getting the $21 milion for the land, instead of $7 million. Coincidently shortly after this deal the former City Manager and negotiator for the City on this deal announced they were leaving to spend more time with their children. Yet amazingly, they secured a no bid contract to become bridge consultant and also secured another contract trying to help pass the Arena Tax. They then went on to start their own " consultant company, possibly representing land owners.

I'll let the openminded people from their own opinions about the smell about all this on their own. I did hear the rumors and innuendos about all kinds of things, but of course nothing can be proven, so I won't share these.

The one thing that so troubles me about all this regarding you, is your letter claiming the former City Manager was the best City Manager the city ever had. Here is someone who just negotiated a potential $21 million piece of land for its residents, down to $7 million and you are making the claim they were the best? If this your defintion of being the best, I'd hate to see what the worst would be.

Something here doesn't make any sense. The only 2 things I can think of is you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about or you do know and are attempting to mislead the public. The fact that no one at the city or yourself can produce this RFP and/or show where the invitation to bid was published, leads me to believe there is something being covered up.

The Residents of Folsom lost out on $14 million over this deal and I'm NOT going to let it go away, until ALL of those who were serving on the council are off the council or come clean as to what really happened and who was responsible.



Robert, have you asked any of the other council members. Go to a meeting and bring it up. Make the whole council responsible, including the one that is no longer on the council. Don't just pick on Kerri, you would think that she had the only vote.
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#101 Dave Burrell

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:53 AM

QUOTE (camay2327 @ May 26 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Robert, have you asked any of the other council members. Go to a meeting and bring it up. Make the whole council responsible, including the one that is no longer on the council. Don't just pick on Kerri, you would think that she had the only vote.


Yeah I've always wondered why Robert only bags on Kerrie about this when there were four other people involved as well....and it was likely the good ol' boys club that brokered that bad deal. But he says he goes after her because she was the only one who bothered to reply to his concerns. I guess she should have just stayed silent like all the rest ?

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#102 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:40 AM

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Yeah I've always wondered why Robert only bags on Kerrie about this when there were four other people involved as well....and it was likely the good ol' boys club that brokered that bad deal. But he says he goes after her because she was the only one who bothered to reply to his concerns. I guess she should have just stayed silent like all the rest ?


Cmon Dave, pay attention to the facts and get away from the personalities, so you can open your eyes to see what happened.

The deal was negotiated by the former City Manager, shortly afterwards people were talking about what happened. Next the City Manager announces they are leaving their position to spend more time with their daughters, yet they are given some NO BID Bridge Consulting contract, despite never having done this before AND they get another contract to help pass the Arena tax, while they open up their Consulting/Lobbying company. So much for spending more time with their daughters?

ONE council person writes a public letter to the Editor, calling the former City Manager, the best City Manager ever, despite leaving $14 million on table over this deal. The person who wrote the letter was Kerrie, not any of the good ol boys. None of the other council members have ever said there was an RFP, so how can I bag on them for something they didn't say?

Its probably time you and I get together and chat in private?

BTW, I've been cautioned in a way that some might consider a threat, about talking about this any more.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:58 AM

QUOTE (ducky @ May 26 2010, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Robert, have you asked Ernie?


Yes, I've talked with Ernie about this. It was a private conversation, so I need to keep it private.

I've talked to another councilmember about this as well, it was private conversation so I need to keep that private as well.

It may surprise some of you, but years ago Kerrie and I have also had a private conversation about this, which out of respect for Kerrie, I will keep private as well.

If any of them choose to say anything public, rest assured if I disagree with what they are saying, I'll challenge them publically.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:16 AM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ May 27 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cmon Dave, pay attention to the facts and get away from the personalities, so you can open your eyes to see what happened.

The deal was negotiated by the former City Manager, shortly afterwards people were talking about what happened. Next the City Manager announces they are leaving their position to spend more time with their daughters, yet they are given some NO BID Bridge Consulting contract, despite never having done this before AND they get another contract to help pass the Arena tax, while they open up their Consulting/Lobbying company. So much for spending more time with their daughters?

ONE council person writes a public letter to the Editor, calling the former City Manager, the best City Manager ever, despite leaving $14 million on table over this deal. The person who wrote the letter was Kerrie, not any of the good ol boys. None of the other council members have ever said there was an RFP, so how can I bag on them for something they didn't say?

Its probably time you and I get together and chat in private?

BTW, I've been cautioned in a way that some might consider a threat, about talking about this any more.



I think you're off base blaming the deal entirely on Kerri just because the boys club had no balls to answer any questions regarding the deal.


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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ May 27 2010, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, I've talked with Ernie about this. It was a private conversation, so I need to keep it private.

I've talked to another councilmember about this as well, it was private conversation so I need to keep that private as well.

It may surprise some of you, but years ago Kerrie and I have also had a private conversation about this, which out of respect for Kerrie, I will keep private as well.

If any of them choose to say anything public, rest assured if I disagree with what they are saying, I'll challenge them publically.


Does this mean that after all these years you've only talked to Kerrie, one other mystery council member, and Ernie (who wasn't on the council at the time of the decision)?

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