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#91 Dave Burrell

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (4thgenFolsomite @ Jul 28 2010, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just heard Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts' brother, has checked himself into rehab for an addiction to medical marijuana!


It seems too many Hollywood boneheads do nothing but get stoned and drunk all day (too much money I guess) - just look at their problem poster child Lindsey Lohan

Comparatively speaking however, the number of people in for alcohol addiction far far exceeds those in for marijuana addiction.

I only bring up these arguments because I think our country is wasting way too many millions and billions yearly fighting something that is far less harmful then cigarettes or alcohol - it's stupid how much is being wasted trying to suppress it and I always refer back to prohibition, that did not work then, just like this prohibition is not working now.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (davburr @ Jul 28 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
laugh.gif that pretty much sums up all the paranoia about weed here, well played.

Supermom, I'm sorry but (IMO) you really come off as putting ALL people down who have medical justification for using it, and you're way off base.
No offense, just sayin'....

I don't see how you or anyone else has the right to deny it to people who do have legitimate reasons to use it. (I'm not talking about partying stoner's, I'm talking about medical patients, and not just terminal ones).

Neither you, nor I - have the right to decide what's best for others.

Dav-I think you know I respect your point your position-even if I disagree with the fundamental foundation you place your theory on.

But...don't you think the last 2 sentences in your post are a bit contrary to each other?

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 05:07 PM

I don't know if inside trading laws would be broken here but if I found out Folsom was soon going to become pot friendly, I'd invest in Circle K stock. .89 for a BIG bag of BBQ chips? That's pure profit right there.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (supermom @ Jul 28 2010, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dav-I think you know I respect your point your position-even if I disagree with the fundamental foundation you place your theory on.

But...don't you think the last 2 sentences in your post are a bit contrary to each other?

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Thanks, the feelings mutual. Its good to have debates to hear both sides on a subject - even when we don't agree...

Ya lost me on that last part or am I missing something (it's possible)?
I said; 1) nobody should have the right to deny its usage for legitimate purposes and 2) neither of us has a right to decide what's best for others.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (ducky @ Jul 23 2010, 06:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's what I was wondering. You are still filling your lungs with smoke. Do the benefits provided by marijuana for glaucoma or cancer outweigh the risks? Can they put marijuana in pill form so it doesn't need to be smoked and still get the same benefits?

I'm not being snarky or facetious or religiously right. Just askin'


Actually, there are other ways to use medical marijuana .....one, for instance, is edible marijuana. Sometimes children are prescribed medical marijuana ..... through capsules or edible. I think what is needed is education on medical marijuana.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (FolsomOracle @ Jul 23 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK… So let's hear from an actual medical marijuana patient. I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was 10 years old. My childhood was marked with frequent seizures, the most severe occurring at night. I have been prescribed numerous drugs… Dilantin, Tegratol, Valproic Acid, Trazodone, Divalproex, Mirtazapine, etc… each of these came with some serious side effects. On one medication, I broke out in a rash over my entire body, on another I had to stop because of possible liver damage, others affected short term memory and almost all leave you drowsy and tired the next day. When I was in college, I tried marijuana for the first time. I noticed immediately that it calmed the storms that were brewing in my brain that would lead to seizures. My grand mal seizures have always occurred at night when I was either falling asleep or waking up. The marijuana stopped that, with little to no side effects. After years of having to "hook up" with seedy characters, not knowing what I was getting, or worst yet funding illegal gangs or cartels.. I decided to talk with my doctor about it. He would not recommend it, but gave me the name of a doctor that would. I went to see him and was given a recommendation and a card. I spoke with my regular doctor and "off the record" told me that if it is working and controlling my seizures and I was not experience any noticeable side effects, then continue. I moved to using a vaporizer a few years ago and my lungs feel great. (I also ride a road bike about 100 miles a week) I only use my vaporizer in the evening and do not do it during the day.. I can now go in and purchase marijuana from a business operated in our state that pays taxes and follows the law. So who am I?... I'm a father of 3, live in a nice house, hold down a very well paying corporate job, pay my taxes, and go to church. I'm your typical Folsomite. I have no reservations about using marijuana. It is my body and my decision and feel this is a matter of personal freedom.

There is currently a case (Qualified Patients Association v. City of Anaheim) ” seeking clarification on whether the state legislature meant to prevent local governments from using nuisance statutes to outlaw medical marijuana distribution”. The city council may just be buying time.


This is a wonderful, educational and meaningful post on this issue.Thank you!


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Posted 28 July 2010 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (momdadnteen @ Jul 28 2010, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, there are other ways to use medical marijuana .....one, for instance, is edible marijuana. Sometimes children are prescribed medical marijuana ..... through capsules or edible. I think what is needed is education on medical marijuana.


I've been reading up on it and it seems the pill or ingested form actually lasts longer without the phelgm and other bad stuff that comes from smoking. The problem on studying the effectiveness seems to come from the quality-control and consistency aspects of the MJ itself.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (momdadnteen @ Jul 28 2010, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, there are other ways to use medical marijuana .....one, for instance, is edible marijuana. Sometimes children are prescribed medical marijuana ..... through capsules or edible. I think what is needed is education on medical marijuana.

And research. I can't believe one of the biggest arguments against is the side effects of smoking.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (mylo @ Jul 28 2010, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And research. I can't believe one of the biggest arguments against is the side effects of smoking.


Found the below in that regard. It does say the link to respiratory-type cancers is unsubstantiated at this time.

http://www.nida.nih..../marijuana.html


Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses


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Posted 06 August 2010 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (4thgenFolsomite @ Jul 28 2010, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just heard Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts' brother, has checked himself into rehab for an addiction to medical marijuana!


it will be most likely covered under his healthcare program for rehab... no wonder medical costs are skyrocketing!!

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 12:55 PM

[It does say the link to respiratory-type cancers is unsubstantiated at this time.]

... how long did tobacco last in this category? ... and what kinds of pressure has tobacco placed on our healthcare system? Wait, how many carcinogens did they find?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 06:30 PM

I don’t smoke pot. I gave it an honest chance, 4 or 5 times, and it simply wasn’t for me. I have no desire to ever try it again. However, simply because it’s not my thing, doesn’t mean I should get on my high horse and preach fire and brimstone about how “evil” pot is. THAT is exactly what most of these anti-pot people do.

Most of these people who speak out about the dangers of pot are religous and social prudes. If it were up to most of these repressed morons, we’d change our name from America to Jesusland and anyone who didn’t believe would be burned at the stake. I don’t mean to rag on religion, but how can you say pot is so horrible for your body and then host pot-luck dinners and all-you-can-eat spaghetti dinners. Fried chicken is ok for you because it’s legal? No.

And as for these people that commit crimes while high, well they’re probably just idiots to begin with. They would have done it anyway, they just HAPPENED to be high at the time. For every moron that does something dumb while high, there’s 30 that know their limits and do it for fun. If you drink 3 cups of coffee, and then make an error in judgment that kills someone,Was it the coffee NO it wasn’t the coffee it was an error in judgment!

Part of being an adult is being responible for your actions. If you can’t handle your drugs (whether thats pot, heroine or potato chips), seek help. Otherwise, smoke on, shoot up or whatever else you want to do. I believe they call that freedom, don’t they?

People who smoke weed, then do stupid stuff may just be stupid people!.
Know your limits..

500 people a week die from alcohol related car accidents. Studies show that 38,000 people a year are in marijuana related car accidents, however 88% of those accidents were in parking lots and under 10mph. I think we need to concentrate on things that actually cause traffic fatalities.

Alcohol is legal, marijuana is not. This makes no sense to me at all.

Tobacco kills about 400,000
Alcohol kills about 80,000
Workplace accidents kill 60,000
Automobiles kill 40,000
Cocaine kills about 2,500
Heroin kills about 2,000
Aspirin kills about 2,000
Marijuana kills 0

There has never been a recorded death due to marijuana at any time in US history.

All illegal drugs combined kill under 20,000 per year, or a small percent of the number killed by alcohol and tobacco.

Tobacco kills more people each year than all of the people killed by all of the illegal drugs in the last one hundred years

Motor vehicle wrecks are the leading cause of death in the United States for persons under age 24, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Reports. Of those deaths, more than 40 percent are alcohol-related.

Alcohol-related accidents are so prevalent, an estimated 40 percent of all persons in the United States will be involved in a traffic mishap blamed on alcohol at some point in their lives

How Dangerous Is Drinking and Driving?

A driver with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.10 or greater is seven times more likely to be involved in a fatal motor vehicle crash than is a driver who has not consumed alcoholic beverages, and a driver with an alcohol concentration of 0.15 or greater is about 25 times more likely.

Driving after smoking even a small amount of marijuana almost doubles the risk of a fatal highway accident, according to an extensive 3 year study only 10,748 drivers involved in fatal crashes.

Alcohol and Trauma Driving related accidents are major cause of mortality and morbidity in the United States. Each year, more than 140,000 Americans die from injuries, and almost one person in three suffers a nonfatal injury serious enough to require medical attention or to cause temporary disability

Alcohol intoxication is associated with 40 to 50 percent of traffic fatalities; 25 to 35 percent of nonfatal motor vehicle injuries; up to 64 percent of fires and burns; 48 percent of hypothermia and frostbite cases; and about 20 percent of completed suicides.

SO YOU MORONS! KEEP THE BAR'S AND HOPE YOUR LOVED ONES ARE HOME SAFE!!!!

To the people who have never smoked.. and your against it.????

To the people who do smoke are in a cloud? NO!!.

___.........NOT EXACTLY....._____.

Why dont you try it then see what your outlook is??

MARIJUANA DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE . .....PROVEN FACT....

.........PEOPLE'S ACTIONS DO.....
whether they’re under the influence or not!

WebMD Health NewsSept. 18, 2003 — Marijuana smoking isn’t harmless, but at least it won’t kill you.
No Marijuana Deaths in 2 Large Studies. The studies the first is from (where else?) California. A large HMO looked at 65,177 men and women age 15-49. Over 10 years, marijuana users died no sooner than nonusers.

The second study looked at 45,450 Swedish army conscripts. They were 18-20 years old when asked about marijuana use. Fifteen years later, the marijuana users were just as likely to remain alive as nonusers.

And since marijuana smoking can’t kill outright — there’s no such thing as a fatal marijuana overdose — short-term use isn’t deadly. Long-term use can’t be good for you. But Sidney notes that most marijuana smokers don’t become long-term users.

I know of no one who could attribute their death to Marijuana. I know plenty of Alcohol and Pill provoked deaths however! Marijuana is one of the safest substances know to mankind, no one has ever died of an overdose, the fact is you can’t! Asprin kills over 2000 a year, Marijuana deaths = Zero!

Extent of the problem of alcohol's effect on transportation safety in the United States.

(1), 40 percent of all traffic fatalities (the leading cause of accidental death) are alcohol related
(2). Second, although alcohol has not been directly implicated in U.S. commercial airline crashes, typical estimates of alcohol involvement by pilots in fatal general aviation crashes range from 10 to 30 percent
(3). Third, a recent review of Coast Guard reports suggests possible alcohol involvement in 60 percent of boating fatalities (including persons who fell overboard)
(4). Finally, in postaccident testing of railroad employees in 1990, 3.2 percent tested positive for alcohol or other prohibited drugs
(5). The percentage of alcohol or other drug involvement may be higher when a fatality is involved.

POLLS
Gallup's annual drinking poll indicates that 67% of U.S. adults drink alcohol, an increase over last year and the highest rate of alcohol consumption since 1985. The poll also showed that beer remains the most popular drink in the U.S., followed by wine and then liquor. When Gallup first polled Americans about their drinking in 1939, the rate was 58 percent. The lowest rate was recorded in 1958 at 55%.

81 percent approve of medical marijuana
Eight in 10 Americans -- 81 percent overall -- support allowing doctors to prescribe cannabis for various medical reasons. That number is up from 69 percent in 1997, which is the last time ABC and the Washington Post have run a poll like this, and it's up from 75 percent when Gallup ran this kind of poll in 2003. Despite favoring medical marijuana, outright legalization is still a bone of contention among those polled. Gallup released a poll in October found that only 44 percent of respondents favored outright legalization, however an Angus Reid poll in December showed that 53 percent would like to see the prohibition on marijuana end.

The medical marijuana issue is not anywhere near as divisive as other political issues are. 68 percent of conservatives, and 72 percent of those who consider themselves Republicans favor medical marijuana legalization, while 85 percent of Democrats and Independents favor the same thing. Age is the biggest dividing line, with only 69 percent of people over the age of 65 supporting medical marijuana, compared to 83 percent of all people under that age.

Yes the only thing is that some people who do marijuana go on to harder drugs. WHY?! because it is
THEIR CHOICE TOO AND WOULD HAVE DONE HARDER DRUGS IF THEY HAD BEEN HOOKED ON MILK!
( GOT MILK?) (JUST SAY NO! )
Marijuana does not crawl into your brain and say. HEY OVERDOSE ON HERION TODAY.!? You Do.?

Marijuana is the most harmless drug. It is a Medical drug used for back aches, eye problems, stress, and even Seizures.
I know a person who has had over 50 seizures a year. Once he was put under medical marijuana the number got all the way down to 1,
1 sierzure a year. It didnt cure it, but it sure as hell helped. And hey, it is the most nautural thing out there.
You are smoking a plant. Not something altered by chemicals. But a plant. Yes the ones that grow from the ground.
So to be honest.....I Don't smoke weed, at anytime, BUT.. I know quite a few people that do.. AND IT HELPS THEM...

BUT.. I have a very stronge opinion about it when people say that it is BAD for you.
Never in the worlds history has there been a recording that a PERSON HAS DIED FROM WEED, OVERDOSED ON WEED, GONE CRAZY FROM WEED, OR ANYTHING ELSE, U CANT EVEN GET CANCER FROM IT.
Check the real statistics like from UCLA who spent 6 million dollars researching this issue. and in the end came out with a 1 digit number. 0
SO YOU FOLSOM PEOPLE THAT ARE MORONS I BET YOU JUSTED MOVED HERE ( within the last 10 years or so )

GO BACK TO WHERE EVER YOU CAME FROM AND STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY TOWN!! I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND ITS IDIOTS LIKE YOU THAT HAS RUINED MY HOME TOWN!!!!

SMOKE ON ....
RIP.. My father passed on 04/12/2006 from Alcoholism I WISHED TO GOD HE WOULD HAVE SMOKED POT!!!!
HE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE!!




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