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[maestro]

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Thanks to the truthseekers for tolerating the barbs for the sake of exposing very unpleasant facts.

[ducky]

If true, that would bump credibility of their posts don't you think ?

As far as how things financially work in the city if that is their department, maybe.

As far as gossip and who did what on a story that keeps changing, no. Anyone who has worked in a place like city hall or an office knows how things spread and turn into a game of telephone. If any of these people truly wanted to fix things or make them better, there are much better ways to fix it without putting it on a public forum. Even if one of the things they are saying are true, I will not agree with the way they have gone about this just to help someone get elected.

[jpo110]

I couldn't agree with Robert more. This is important information for all voters.
If any of you have tried to go before the city council to discuss an issue you may have felt
that the current council members have their own agenda and listening to the concerns and
opinions of the residents is merely a formality. You would be right.
Also, the charges of quid pro quo don't surprise me in the least and this behavior is one of the
reasons that our state and our nation have serious fiscal problems right now.

[supermom]

I think there is a huge difference between a political forum (both parties are present and the barbs fly) vs. the odd round a bout attack on livelihoods, persons, agendas and character that I have seen on this thread by anonymous perosnjs whom claim "to be in the know".

Frankly,even if you did claim to be in the know, the right place for these complaints would be to go talk to your city human resources administrator and FOIA their records on sexual harrasment policies and guidelines and see if they fall in line with the fed, state and county laws. Then I would take on the task of finding out how to go about doing a State(not local) FOIA on the crime reports of the night in question--and those whom claim to be in the know should know what day that was, correct? This would probably require the assistance of a local Representative or a Senator...

Then..I would request legislative oversight into any possible misdealings that are claimed by said family..Particularly since such "sweeping under the rug of an incident" could be grounds for medical care not being rendered/slash covered by the families health insurance policy (those can be subpoened but kinda hard to do).

These steps would be a way to get around "council member", or "city leader" intervention--if in fact that really was happening.

It's kinda scary,how many laws could have been broken in that story if it is true. But my point here--I did not at any point, say attack a persons (quasi)-character online through an anonymous chat site. Cause it just seems underhanded.

And Ducky, I kinda agree with what you are saying- except we have to wonder if this person really does work for the city, why are they posting negative stuff about their boss, anonymously? Could it be disenfranchisment with the job, anger over being passed up for a promotion? There are lots of reasons for someone to be quiet in these kindsof situations, too. Like fear of losing a job. So, why now? Did they know about these illegal activities for sometime and are fearful they could be prosecuted for not reporting things?

I mean, I'm not trying to make the person out to look bad, I'm just wondering--Cause its late at night and my brain won't turn off.

[ducky]

I think there is a huge difference between a political forum (both parties are present and the barbs fly) vs. the odd round a bout attack on livelihoods, persons, agendas and character that I have seen on this thread by anonymous perosnjs whom claim "to be in the know".

Frankly,even if you did claim to be in the know, the right place for these complaints would be to go talk to your city human resources administrator and FOIA their records on sexual harrasment policies and guidelines and see if they fall in line with the fed, state and county laws. Then I would take on the task of finding out how to go about doing a State(not local) FOIA on the crime reports of the night in question--and those whom claim to be in the know should know what day that was, correct? This would probably require the assistance of a local Representative or a Senator...

Then..I would request legislative oversight into any possible misdealings that are claimed by said family..Particularly since such "sweeping under the rug of an incident" could be grounds for medical care not being rendered/slash covered by the families health insurance policy (those can be subpoened but kinda hard to do).

These steps would be a way to get around "council member", or "city leader" intervention--if in fact that really was happening.

It's kinda scary,how many laws could have been broken in that story if it is true. But my point here--I did not at any point, say attack a persons (quasi)-character online through an anonymous chat site. Cause it just seems underhanded.

And Ducky, I kinda agree with what you are saying- except we have to wonder if this person really does work for the city, why are they posting negative stuff about their boss, anonymously? Could it be disenfranchisment with the job, anger over being passed up for a promotion? There are lots of reasons for someone to be quiet in these kindsof situations, too. Like fear of losing a job. So, why now? Did they know about these illegal activities for sometime and are fearful they could be prosecuted for not reporting things?

I mean, I'm not trying to make the person out to look bad, I'm just wondering--Cause its late at night and my brain won't turn off.

supermom, you have made some excellent points about other ways things could be accomplished.

As for your other questions about why posting now, I won't answer because that would put me in the same league as them. I'd rather take barbs than do that.

[ducky]

How were you able to determine this? Where is your proof Jrudi works for the city?

I'm just trying to get to the truth.

You kind of gave it away Robert.

[old soldier]

the more time that passes the more old soldier thinks this here story about the mystry council person is a lot of smoke and maybee an attempt to steal a few votes from dumber folks who might be influnced by a story like this with no backup information.

was reading my grandkids drivers manual and it says any accident involving personal injury has to be reported to the old state. with injuries you would probably have some kind of insurance claim floating around even if there was no police report.

i was also thinking about the folks with the story waiting till close to the election to pop the news but now days so many folks vote with absent ballots that if there was a story smart folks would have had it out when folks were doing that voting.

old soldier is going on record saying we have been reading BS and its sad because folks on my folsom will not get excited as much with future stories cause they no there are posters who don't tell the truth...

I am wondering what my friend uncle vinnie thinks about this story

[Robert Giacometti]

the more time that passes the more old soldier thinks this here story about the mystry council person is a lot of smoke and maybee an attempt to steal a few votes from dumber folks who might be influnced by a story like this with no backup information.

was reading my grandkids drivers manual and it says any accident involving personal injury has to be reported to the old state. with injuries you would probably have some kind of insurance claim floating around even if there was no police report.

i was also thinking about the folks with the story waiting till close to the election to pop the news but now days so many folks vote with absent ballots that if there was a story smart folks would have had it out when folks were doing that voting.

old soldier is going on record saying we have been reading BS and its sad because folks on my folsom will not get excited as much with future stories cause they no there are posters who don't tell the truth...

I am wondering what my friend uncle vinnie thinks about this story

You might recall late last summer there was topic going regarding DUI's. I made a post predicting there might be some breaking news that might make headlines. I can't find that thread anywhere. Maybe, I'm just looking under the wrong heading, but I will keep looking.

[Robert Giacometti]

I think there is a huge difference between a political forum (both parties are present and the barbs fly) vs. the odd round a bout attack on livelihoods, persons, agendas and character that I have seen on this thread by anonymous perosnjs whom claim "to be in the know".

Frankly,even if you did claim to be in the know, the right place for these complaints would be to go talk to your city human resources administrator and FOIA their records on sexual harrasment policies and guidelines and see if they fall in line with the fed, state and county laws. Then I would take on the task of finding out how to go about doing a State(not local) FOIA on the crime reports of the night in question--and those whom claim to be in the know should know what day that was, correct? This would probably require the assistance of a local Representative or a Senator...

Then..I would request legislative oversight into any possible misdealings that are claimed by said family..Particularly since such "sweeping under the rug of an incident" could be grounds for medical care not being rendered/slash covered by the families health insurance policy (those can be subpoened but kinda hard to do).

These steps would be a way to get around "council member", or "city leader" intervention--if in fact that really was happening.

It's kinda scary,how many laws could have been broken in that story if it is true. But my point here--I did not at any point, say attack a persons (quasi)-character online through an anonymous chat site. Cause it just seems underhanded.

And Ducky, I kinda agree with what you are saying- except we have to wonder if this person really does work for the city, why are they posting negative stuff about their boss, anonymously? Could it be disenfranchisment with the job, anger over being passed up for a promotion? There are lots of reasons for someone to be quiet in these kindsof situations, too. Like fear of losing a job. So, why now? Did they know about these illegal activities for sometime and are fearful they could be prosecuted for not reporting things?

I mean, I'm not trying to make the person out to look bad, I'm just wondering--Cause its late at night and my brain won't turn off.

Have you ever seen the movie "Capone"? Remember how Kevin Costner tried to expose what was going on only to find out Capone had everybody including local Judges in his back pocket, protecting Capone. It was Sean Connery who opened Costners eyes that you can't take on corruption by going through the usual channels.

Please take this as a compliment but you are sorta like Costner, in that I feel you really are committed to doing what is right, but extremely naive about how things work! Corruption starts at the very top and works it way down. The only way to eliminate corruption is to replace those at the top with those who will do things that are right.

I'm not a big fan of airing peoples personal lives and said so in earlier post. I prefer to simply ask the direct questions to get to the truth. There seems to some on here who don't want me to be asking direct questions. I don't know why any honest person would be opposed to the truth coming out?

[ducky]

Have you ever seen the movie "Capone"? Remember how Kevin Costner tried to expose what was going on only to find out Capone had everybody including local Judges in his back pocket, protecting Capone. It was Sean Connery who opened Costners eyes that you can't take on corruption by going through the usual channels.

Please take this as a compliment but you are sorta like Costner, in that I feel you really are committed to doing what is right, but extremely naive about how things work! Corruption starts at the very top and works it way down. The only way to eliminate corruption is to replace those at the top with those who will do things that are right.

I'm not a big fan of airing peoples personal lives and said so in earlier post. I prefer to simply ask the direct questions to get to the truth. There seems to some on here who don't want me to be asking direct questions. I don't know why any honest person would be opposed to the truth coming out?

I've never said I don't want the truth to come out. All I've said is I don't think this is the proper place to spread these things around. I'm not talking about the land deals or city business where documents can be retrieved and items on the meeting agendas can be argued and debated where everyone has a different take. Those are perfectly legitimate things to point out where you disagree.

You are asking direct questions in the wrong place. If you have to ask questions, that means you aren't absolutely sure of what you and the others are saying about people's personal lives, and the risk of being wrong and the damage you inflict is too great and can't be taken back, not to mention all the people you hurt instead of your intended targets. I'm willing to wait for proper authorities to do their job if there is something that needs to be done.

[Ahnold]

I've never said I don't want the truth to come out. All I've said is I don't think this is the proper place to spread these things around.

I understand your point Ducky, but I have to wonder if you are correct about whether or not this is an 'appropriate' forum. This is a private website, where the majority of us are posting under obscure aliases, and expounding our own particular concoctions of fact, opinion, hyperbole, and fiction. I think this is a very appropriate forum for getting this topic out, and it is beholden on the reader to decide if they want to pursue it and find out what is fact and what is fiction. I for one would not make my voting decisions based solely off of what I read here, but it might factor into my decisions - particularly if any "October Surprises" pop up related to this corruption angle.

[ducky]

I understand your point Ducky, but I have to wonder if you are correct about whether or not this is an 'appropriate' forum. This is a private website, where the majority of us are posting under obscure aliases, and expounding our own particular concoctions of fact, opinion, hyperbole, and fiction. I think this is a very appropriate forum for getting this topic out, and it is beholden on the reader to decide if they want to pursue it and find out what is fact and what is fiction. I for one would not make my voting decisions based solely off of what I read here, but it might factor into my decisions - particularly if any "October Surprises" pop up related to this corruption angle.

I understand your point, too, Ahnold, but I don't think it is beholden on the reader to do anything. That's what I've been saying. We're talking about serious problems in our PD IF some of these things are true. I think it's up to the ones with the sources to do something.

Many years ago I heard of something not appropriate going on with a city department. Nothing like this, but something the employees couldn't fix themselves. Instead of writing a letter to the editor simply to embarrass, I marched myself into the city attorney's office and said it had better be fixed and if I heard it wasn't I wasn't going to stop. It got fixed fast. I guess I just would choose a different approach.

Thank goodness November 2 is almost upon us.

[JRudi]

Jrudi, you are way off base, and the fact that you seem to know a lot about certain terminologies etc... tells me and have been eluded to that you work for the city. If you do, shame on you. First, constant staffing is a model adopted by THE CITY to have minimal staffing on each piece of equipment. If, like you propose, someone calls in sick, then the rest of the crew "sucks it up?" what if that person that happens to be the paramedic on the engine? I guess now you the citizen must suck up any early paramedic interventions you may need. Now im not into the whole scare tactics thing toward the citizenes from public safety. The FACTS are these, Folsom FD is at minimal staffing, constant staffing says you must fill each seat with a body with proper qualifications, The "extra" batallion chiefs you mentioned do the suppression staffing and will not be hired for after they both retire in the next 18 months. If you are supporting an engine brownout, should we start with your neighborhood? Look, there are only 3 engines, 1 truck and two ambulances for the city, same as the 80's i believe. Obviously you do not live out in empire ranch where a station was supposed to be built and staffed (by last year). Now, the engine that covers my neighborhood has to go out to empire ranch. Bottom line, get your facts straight.

I'm not sure what the answer is to this problem, but it can't be denied that there is a serious problem with our public safety departments. As I have indicated in prior posts, it costs the City of Folsom far more to put a sworn police officer and fire fighter on the street than the other mid-sized cities in our area (on the average, about 40 or 45 percent more). Something is seriously wrong, and it needs to be fixed.

With the recent retirement of the two chiefs and some other high ranking public safety employees in the city, there is now an opportunity to try and improve efficiencies. I have proposed to a couple council members in the past that the two departments be audited, and now would be the opportune time to do it. There would be less resistance to the audits, and greater flexibility to make changes with all the vacancies at the higher positions. One option would be to combine the two departments into one public safety department. This is not commonly done, but it has been done in other cities. And, given the current state of the economy, it may make sense to at least try it for a couple years. This would allow the city to combine and downsize the administrative staffs of the two departments.

Also, contracting out paramedic services is an option that should be explored. Another city in our area looked into it, and found that it would result in some significant cost savings. Another option would be to bring in part-time (max. 1000 hours per year) employees. Under PERS regulations, a city can hire an employee for up to 1000 hours per year and not pay them PERS benefits.

[JRudi]

JRudi works for the city.

Wrong.

By the way, I don't recall you ever mentioning who your employer is. Do you work for the city? Or, by chance, are you a city commissioner appointed by a particular council member? Just a hunch.